If this guy found one place that sells these cell phones that had no visible camera's it's plausible he went back. Likely? No. But there is still that possibility.
Well, if he would go for the same dealer all the time, the phones could be traced back to that dealer and if it's a street dealer, again well, they don't have so many customers coming in all few months to get a new cell phone. Then LISK wouldn't be the first SK falling for that mistake. Provided, someone looks into that and doesn't decide, there is no need to ...
I think it's foolish to rule anything out without hard factual evidence. I don't think there was a driver involved. That would complicate the situation. Offering to pick the women up would be a lot easier.
What if he had no influence? JB for example had also no influence about SG hiring MP for that trip.
I am not even agreeing that it is a homicidal john. I think this case is way more complex than merely a stalker or a homicidal john. So if he is stalking MB in the Bronx how does he get her? The Bronx like Manhattan is crowded. If he lures her there has to be a reason he is able to lure her.
I have here a shelf with files. Kind of SKs all over the world. I have 12 year old boys, abducted between to cloth stands in a mall during sales days. I have adult women disappearing on the only concerts with 50,000 people there. I have gorls disappearing on a well lit stretch of pavement between the place of her boyfriend and her own, which was about 300 yards down the road. I have kids snatched in the one minute, their mothers looked the other way in parks with fifty other mothers watching. Snipers along major interstates shooting people while right behind them passed ab. 2000 cars an hour. I have a guy in my files, who carried bodies in big suitcases through hotel lobbies. I assume, you heard of Dahmer. The idea, that crowds bring any form of security is ridiculous to start with. Because everyone can blend in, everyone cares only for what he came for. Nothing is more anonymous than a big crowd, the bigger the better. All that is needed then is one quiet spot. A restroom, a corner, one bigger car in a parking lot, take your pick. A place like for example Times Square offers literally thousand such spots. Not that I say, LISK abducted anybody there, that is only an example.
How does one get a girl coming home late at night in the Bronx? You could park with a van somewhere near to the entrance of the building where she lives. Wait till she comes home, sliding door open, sand sack over the head, in and drive off. Takes what? 20 seconds? And the best thing is, nobody notices anything, it's late, it's dark and your own van gives you cover from most angles.
Another variant is, pull her in one of those deeper lying entrances, those basement apartment thingies (I don't know the right term). A little shot of Ket, maybe mixed with any LSD derivate ... you can lead her a mile over the walkways and everybody will only assume, she is sick and therefore give you room to maneuver her through the crowd. No problem to lead her around, set her in a car and drive off.
Or another ... wait, I think, you don't want to know all variants to that theme. That would be like a dozen posts.
For either the homicidal john or stalker you still need a crime scene or kill zone. If we are to follow the typical SK behavior it would most likely be about 20 miles or more from the dump site.
Agreed, to the need for a kill site as much as to the distance estimation.
LISK told MB's sister he was going to watch her rot. To me this means he could (not does) pass by her quickly if he felt the urge. To watch would imply more than one or two visits. It says to me he is more than like on LI, possibly works in the city and got more comfortable choosing someone closer to his home turf like ALC.
Well, a drive-by revisitable trophy yard definitively talks about a killer doing drive-by revisits. The point missing here is, he had parked their four victims, not just one. So when he revisited, he didn't revisit one victim but the whole collection. This is more trophy behavior than regular reliving behavior.
And when it comes to ALC, she was in the position to serve as well customers in the city as on the islands of LI. So exaclty ALC is the one, that actually tells us nothing about the location of the killer's kill site. The longer ways for MBB and MB and the shorter one for MW tell us much more if you look at the geographical profile.
Whether by stalking or simply being a john. Could be a rundown warehouse on LI or a nice suburbia area. What about you where do you believe the crime scene would be? The city or LI or beach. I think the beach is too close to home.
Forget the beach. He doesn't live at or near the beach. The shortest distance, any cluster building SK had between his home and his nearest cluster was Dean Corll with 17 miles. Of course, now someone will yell "Moooontoooooyaaaa" and I will cry, because actually, Montoya was never hard linked to the West Mesa murders. And for the trivia department, the longest distance record is shared by Ted Bundy and Robert Hanson. 124 miles. But Hanson cheated, he used a plane. So, bottom line, not beach. Or, if beach, more than 17 miles up or down the beach.
Hunting ground in NYC with one stunt in LI but on a victim that lived at least half of the time in NYC. Drop site along Gilgo. Irregular clustered timeline (all murders happened in summer), burlap, knowledge of the area without being involved in local chitchat. So, lets look for some kind of workshop in the outskirts of NY or northern parts of LI, not far from one of the interstates leading out of NYC direction to the sea ... wait, that is exactly the same profile I wrote in 2010.
You are correct about at what price. I had to go back and watch that segment. It's possible she could have been stalked then. It was even stated by DS that one john called her and told her he was stalking her. But if she was meeting a regular did she meet him? Was he the last one to see her? Why does ALC go with the LISK? It's unlikely all four women were forced into the killers hands. So how does he lure them? With money? With a badge? Many questions remain unanswered.
If someone stalked ALC, lets say for two weeks or longer, he could have just snatched her when she returned from that John. From any John. Or from a grocery, a psycho therapeut or church, as long as it was late at night. The risk would be higher than in the Bronx, because due to less crowding, a foreign vehicle is more prone to pull attention, but not by much. Otherwise, it'S more or less the same situation as with MB.
You put here the finger on one of the bigger sore points in the homicidal John theory. How doies he lure them, money, badge, whatever. There has to be always a lure and the homicidal John has to make an offer, has to have contact. Which makes him prone to be seen by witnesses. The stalker on the other had, he doesn't need direct contact till the moment, he strikes.
I completely agree with his preaching to MB's sister is of a more religious driven subject matter than your traditional my mom was a prostitute so I hate them and want to kill them.
Most SKs killing prostitutes don't hate them. They don't care, they don't love them, and they don't consider them as valuable as human beings (but then most psychopaths have no high opinion over the rest of mankind anyway), but they usually don't hate them. Prostitutes are available. Available to fulfill a need, live out an urge, especially the street working kind offers easy access by taking the need to start a conversation from the killer. In a way, prostitutes are victims of convenient for every serial killer type that isn't too picky. Take Volker Eckert as an example. He was a hair fetishist. All he needed were women with long hair. The easiest to find were prostitutes with long hair. And that was all.
Made me even contemplate a man in a religious position that could be responsible. Sorry you've had these discussions before I'm new here and I think it's good to refresh peoples minds with the details. One can only wonder if someone didn't leak the calls to MB's sister if he would have tried it with MW or ALC.
Not a man in a religious position. Reverends of all congregations are basically more ritualistic thinking. A killing reverend (and please, that is only an example) would more likely implement more ritual also in the dump site. So this one was once a regular church visitor, grew probably up with religion, but also other influences. Religion, or more an abstract part of it about lifestyle is justification but not primary motive.
The phone calls are such a story. The first thing, that makes it look like a maneuver is that he called the pimp as well. The second thing is the way, he pretended to be drunk. No drunk can lead any phone talk that precise to lead people to a certain wrong impression. So the more interesting point from my point of view is the why. The phone calls are not part of his ritual, not part of his signature, or he wouldn't have stopped with the later victims. And that tells me, he had a reason. Maybe he thought, he had pulled already attention. I mean, the degree of usage disability LE showed was hard to predict, also for him. So it is possible, he thought, he had pulled attention and that would make that call a counter measure. Talk, give them the wrong impression. That's so high organized SK101 and since 150 years, the gullible fall for it over and over again. LE forgets, that most higher IQ SKs (average to high IQs) tend to study other serial killers much more in depth than LE ever does and with a different degree of insight.
Okay, I had those discussion before here and I was pretty bad mobbed for saying all GB4 had connections to NYC and SG wasn't a LISK victim. So you refreshed some old grudge without knowing. Sorry, if I was a little aggressive in that, I didn't realize, you missed the really wild times here.
I think it is plausible that he stalked them. But in order to stalk he has to have had contact. Otherwise you merely have an ad for a pro and unless in that ad they give out their location how do you know where to look?
He doesn't need direct contact, that's the beauty in the stalker theory. He can see a face he likes for example near or in one of the hotels in 46th street. Those hotels are used all the time by internet escorts, so all he has to do is to look for the face in the ad section of maximal 5 websites. Extended search functions like in Google, help a lot as well.
Craigslist had till about 2 years ago no security worth the name. You could download scripts to autohack the adult section from everywhere in the internet.But access to those accounts give you location, the real email address, credit card numbers. All not a problem for someone, who showed much more technical understanding already with his cell phone stunts. And if you have those pieces of data, it's not a problem to get the rest of the information and your victim will never know ... till you strike.
Or you play it vice versa. You see a nice face in an internet ad. Instead of contacting the girl, you just use such a script on her ad, et voilá, there you are. No need for direct contact.
