Massapequa connection to LISK

[Peter Brendt]

That is another reason I believe Manorville is connected... but, we're on the Massapequa thread...

Why not ask then a mod then to move that comment to a more fitting thread?

 

[Peter Brendt]

Wonder if ALC went to that?

Just as a reminder: MW offered femdom, if earlier information here on this board was correct.

 

[Peter Brendt]

If any of you sleuthers know of a phone company executive.... now is the time to talk to them.

A phone call can be placed in Massapequa (and that just means it bounced off the TOWER in Massapequa - because that is the only tower for....20?30?40? miles?)

but a phone call can be placed in Massapequa - and if the perp was sophisticated enough - he can have the call jump from.... post to post and APPEAR to be placed in nyc - when he really was making the call from Massapequa every time.

You need someone from the phone company to explain exactly how it is done - but .....no one has ever mentioned it on any of these threads and its an extremely valid point.

They have done it in many a spy movie (james bond etc)

Believe me this is NOT new news...its very old news...but none of you ever mention it.

Nobody ever mentioned it ... mostly because it's technical nonsense that works only in movies. If a cell phone connects to a tower (before even a calls is made) it appears in the tower dump of exactly that tower. To make a phone call "appear" as if it is from somewhere else, you would need to place some kind of landline->cell phone relay, you install in that area first.

 

[nugzter]

http://www.longislandpress.com/2012...-frustrated-wonder-if-answers-will-ever-come/

"She says police recently came to her with mug shots and asked her if any of them looked familiar, but told her nothing else."


Looks like LE is looking into ex-cons or registered sex offenders in the area. I think we are on the right path by looking there too.

 

[Theforeigner]

Just as a reminder: MW offered femdom, if earlier information here on this board was correct.

Peter Brendt!

WHY do you CONTINUE to post that Megan Waterman offered femdom???
We have been through this many times by now, I, and others, have repeatedly corrected you that it was MELISSA BATHELEMY who offered BDSM (femdom) , NOT Megan Waterman.

 

[OnTheCase27]

http://www.longislandpress.com/2012...-frustrated-wonder-if-answers-will-ever-come/

"She says police recently came to her with mug shots and asked her if any of them looked familiar, but told her nothing else."


Looks like LE is looking into ex-cons or registered sex offenders in the area. I think we are on the right path by looking there too.

Interesting story. Was KO working out of NYC or LI with her sister? I ask because if she was NYC and ALC was on LI then the chance of them meeting the same person would be low. So maybe they think it's someone close?

 

[Peter Brendt]

http://www.longislandpress.com/2012...-frustrated-wonder-if-answers-will-ever-come/

"She says police recently came to her with mug shots and asked her if any of them looked familiar, but told her nothing else."


Looks like LE is looking into ex-cons or registered sex offenders in the area. I think we are on the right path by looking there too.

That was Overstreet who said that. So the mug shots could be from anywhere. While "anywhere" certainly includes Massapequa, it isn't definitively not exclusively Massapequa.

 

[Peter Brendt]

Peter Brendt!

WHY do you CONTINUE to post that Megan Waterman offered femdom???
We have been through this many times by now, I, and others, have repeatedly corrected you that it was MELISSA BATHELEMY who offered BDSM (femdom) , NOT Megan Waterman.

Oh my, did I mess the two M's up again ... soooo sorry. And now for all, who follow the important part of the thread: It was NOT ALC (the post, that caused TheForeigner to jump on me referred to the question whether ALC was on one of those parties).

 

[nugzter]

That was Overstreet who said that. So the mug shots could be from anywhere. While "anywhere" certainly includes Massapequa, it isn't definitively not exclusively Massapequa.

Agreed, it would be nice to know what area LE is looking into, approximate age of the men in the pictures and race/nationality. Geographically speaking the GB4 killer could be from anywhere on LI or even from NYC.:banghead:

 

[nugzter]

Interesting story. Was KO working out of NYC or LI with her sister? I ask because if she was NYC and ALC was on LI then the chance of them meeting the same person would be low. So maybe they think it's someone close?

If I remember correctly from one of the 48 Hrs shows, Ko said thay had worked together at least when her sister started out. I also recall KO mentioned something to the effect she was gonna try to lure the killer to her through advertisments. Don't quote me on that. It has been a few months since I last watched the videos.

 

[ps149]

It is CRUCIAL that we know whether or not Femdom was offered. Femdom is just one type of BDSM. Can someone repost the specifics from her ad?

Femdom would be an entirely new clue in that it could suggest a different type of suspect.

Once again, simply knowing that she offered BDSM is too generalized.

Speaking of femdom; Question for PETER-

would the person who fits your profile even ever allow a woman to be his dominant partner?

 

[Peter Brendt]

If I remember correctly from one of the 48 Hrs shows, Ko said thay had worked together at least when her sister started out. I also recall KO mentioned something to the effect she was gonna try to lure the killer to her through advertisments. Don't quote me on that. It has been a few months since I last watched the videos.

There are two things, that need to be considered:

a.) Since this was internet advertising, a state line doesn't matter that much as long as it's in reach to meet up for the actual meeting later. This whole internet ad business makes northern LI and NYC for purposes of getting an internet escort somewhat one area.

b.) In reference to those mug shots LE showed around: That tells us what LE tries, but not whether they are on the right track. Showing around pics of sex offenders is mostly kind of desperate that late in the case and indicates they have not much.

 

[Peter Brendt]

It is CRUCIAL that we know whether or not Femdom was offered. Femdom is just one type of BDSM. Can someone repost the specifics from her ad?

Femdom would be an entirely new clue in that it could suggest a different type of suspect.

Once again, simply knowing that she offered BDSM is too generalized.

Speaking of femdom; Question for PETER-

would the person who fits your profile even ever allow a woman to be his dominant partner?

He wouldn't allow her to be his dominant partner, but he would a woman, dominating other men maybe break just for the increased feeling of dominance that would give it to him.
The relevant point here is also, that garden variety sex and femdom-clients are not that much of an overlapping customership.

 

[nugzter]

He wouldn't allow her to be his dominant partner, but he would a woman, dominating other men maybe break just for the increased feeling of dominance that would give it to him.
The relevant point here is also, that garden variety sex and femdom-clients are not that much of an overlapping customership.

I'm a bit confused. Why Femdom? Does he let the girl Dominate him and then kill them? Maybe out of shame? I'm sort of lost on the Femdom angle.

 

[Peter Brendt]

I'm a bit confused. Why Femdom? Does he let the girl Dominate him and then kill them? Maybe out of shame? I'm sort of lost on the Femdom angle.

Naah, I probably worded that misunderstable, so let me try again:

One girl offers femdom, posing as domina
The killer would let a girl allow her or any other girl to dominate him

BUT

he would maybe feel the urge to take her and break her, just to show who is dominant.

 

[Justiceforever]

it is crucial that we know whether or not femdom was offered. Femdom is just one type of bdsm. Can someone repost the specifics from her ad?

Femdom would be an entirely new clue in that it could suggest a different type of suspect.

Once again, simply knowing that she offered bdsm is too generalized.

Speaking of femdom; question for peter-

would the person who fits your profile even ever allow a woman to be his dominant partner?

Her ad posted originally by TF

 

[PreciousDust]

Femdom would be an entirely new clue in that it could suggest a different type of suspect.

I believe we know that the unidentified Asian male was a transvestite, don't we? That in itself suggests something, possibly.

 

[OnTheCase27]

If I remember correctly from one of the 48 Hrs shows, Ko said thay had worked together at least when her sister started out. I also recall KO mentioned something to the effect she was gonna try to lure the killer to her through advertisments. Don't quote me on that. It has been a few months since I last watched the videos.

I know the sisters did post together when ALC first started. I wonder if at some point KO stopped working LI and went back to the safe Escort service? And your quote is correct because I have heard KO state that on several different TV programs. It's just interesting that they would ask KO to look at photo's. Do they assume she has encountered the LISK and was not murdered?

 

[Peter Brendt]

I believe we know that the unidentified Asian male was a transvestite, don't we? That in itself suggests something, possibly.

Technically it suggests a lot, especially if we look at the way he died:

1.) He was a transvestite in the sense, he wore a dress

2.) He was probably killed by a SK who hunts in street working girls circles. This is indicated by the vicinity to the next victim, the toddler, which establishes a connection to the next, the mother, and so on. So by an SK, who has laid out the remains as kind of a scavenger hunt to make sure, no signature-challenged LE investigator comes to the idea to mess his handiwork up with LISK's.

3.) He was beaten over the head. Blunt force trauma, if I remember right. No dismemberment. That indicates, he didn't fit the selection pattern of his murderer and went into the trap only by accident or under false pretense.

4.) From 3.) follows, he was in the sex business and worked probably the same area as Jessica Taylor and probably also the other victims. Because that is, where this killer picked his victims.

5.) From 4.) follows, the killer was at first not aware of the difference. This supports the first impression that he was picked up on skid row. Usually there's bad light there- Still it calls for some bad eyes or at least not too good eyes to miss that detail. Which indicates, the killer is not that young anymore and thus this supports the profile of an organized SK in the age range of at least 30-40, rather 35-45.

6.) also from 3.) follows, the killer was not happy to find the wrong plumbing and was really pissed. No elaborate torture, just beating a head in. That indicates a not too bad physical state (it's not so easy to bash haeds in), a kill site with better light or bodily contact which had to happen before he went in a rage (somehow he had to figure the wrong plumbing). This indicates rage, maybe a bit of homophobia, but it doesn't hold any indication of shame, since he used the body in that little scavenger hunt instead of discretely to dispose of it.

7.) Since the killer picked a man he thought to be a girl, we can assume, he thought to have picked up an Asian girl. So obviously, he had no reason to not pick an Asian girl, means, race isn't part of his selection pattern. Opposite to LISK, who prefers Caucasian looking girls.

Now everyone can jump on this analysis and tell me what is all wrong with it, but ... there it is, that is what I can see of Manorville, rather than LISK.

 

[Peter Brendt]

I know KO and ALC did do it together when they ALC first started. And your quote is correct because I have heard KO state that on several different TV programs. It's just interesting that they would ask KO to look at photo's. Do they assume she has encountered the LISK and was not murdered?

Or is "do they HOPE, she has encountered ..." the operative term here? Because just picking up the sex offender list doesn't look like they have any new information, rather, they ran out of leads and try with the basic standard now, they should have employed like two years ago.