Melissa Huckaby and the Unthinkable Sex Object

[kageykaren]

Dr. Phil show is about MH and her violent acts of sexual abuse. Very informative on the subject of women raping. There is a panel of specialist discussing the raity but also stateingt we have to educate childre aliitle more thorughly. I'm an advocate for internet *advertiser censored* crimes involving children and know as time goes forward these crimes become more prevalent as everything else that increases in time. Reach out to you internet for help in dicussing these issues with different age groups. Knowledge is power. Perps would love us to look the other way as many did in decades past. I have to keep the faith there are more of us educating ourselves in this arena than there are perpatrators. I'm probably wrong about that but my belief system is what keeps me going.

 

[azwriter]

I certainly respect your opinion, goofee, that you think when women do sexual acts against children it is because they were abused.

However I don't believe that is true. I think women don't have to have abuse in their lives to become an sexual deviant that preys on small children.

This is an except of one of the links in the "female pedophilia" thread.

Sex Offenders or Pedophiles.
"Approximately 15% to 25% of women and 5% to 15% of men were sexually abused when they were children.[11][12][13][14][15] Most sexual abuse offenders are acquainted with their victims; approximately 30% are relatives of the child, most often brothers, fathers, uncles or cousins; around 60% are other acquaintances such as friends of the family, babysitters, or neighbors; strangers are the offenders in approximately 10% of child sexual abuse cases. Most child sexual abuse is committed by men; women commit approximately 14% of offenses reported against boys and 6% of offenses reported against girls.[11] Most offenders who abuse pre-pubescent children are pedophiles,[16][17] however a small percentage do not meet the diagnostic criteria for pedophilia.[18]

"Under the law, "child sexual abuse" is an umbrella term describing criminal and civil offenses in which an adult engages in sexual activity with a minor or exploits a minor for the purpose of sexual gratification.[19][4] The American Psychiatric Association."

I think most child sexual predators have a lustful urge and an insatiable desire to rape and molest children. I think more often it is about control over someone vulnerable, and the power they hold over them, rather than lashing out because they may have been abused in the past.

So I just don't think that most who abuse were abused. Somehow their wiring is wrong and they gain much pleasure from having sex or doing sexual acts with young children. It is the acts with these children that spurs their lust and that is why they are the dregs of our society.

As a survivor of childhood abuse I do not believe that all people who sexually abuse young babies and children were abused themselves. Simply imo they are sexual deviants. Now I do believe that there is a minority who claim they were abused that do go on and abuse but like everyone else, they too had choices in life, but chose to stay on the side of darkness instead of following the light out of the darkness into the sunlight.

imoo

great post ocean. I agree and I'm glad to see your opinion and thoughts on this subject. Having a different point of view is what makes this site so worthwhile.
azwriter

 

[azwriter]

I totally agree. All I have ever wanted ....was to love, honor and respect our five beautiful children. I would cut my own throat before I ever hurt any of them or any child. I may have been too overprotective at times but I darn sure have shown them the love and respect they all deserve every minute of their lives.

I have read many articles where it said most serial killers weren't abused as children.

I don't think there is a logical reason to explain the pedophile and why they are the way they are. All I know is they are the most vile, depraved, sadistic, disgusting monsters put on the earth destroying innocent vulnerable children's lives and leaving them shattered to pick up the pieces.

imo

The bolded graph is a very important statement IMO. I believe if we really knew the reasons behind pedophiles, there might be a cure for them. But as I understand it, there is no cure as of now.

 

[passionflower]

I am thinking not that mh is SYBIL, but more like SYBIL's MOTHER!!!!
A sadistic, child abuser, molester and MONSTER!!! The father was meek and never seemed to notice IIRC..........

 

[melley]

Why aren't some people allowed to post articles "in their entirety" even when sourced... but some people are allowed to post things stating that the '7 year old and Sandra Cantu are one in the same' just by saying so? Especially when it turns out they are NOT one in the same... I guess I should go back and read the faq.

 

[Melanie]

I wish I had the link, but one of the talking heads said that perhaps she wasn't raped with a foreign object. Going on to say there could have been irritants from baths, or even riding a bike. I guess part of me wants to believe that no mother could do harm to another child.

I'm sure the evidence and autopsy reports say otherwise, but why Sandra? If the first child, and Sandra's child were not abused -- is something else going on here?

In short, I'm on the fence on this particular charge.....at least until I hear/see more evidence.

Thanks for letting me share my thoughts.

Peace,

 

[Cherokee]

I wish I had the link, but one of the talking heads said that perhaps she wasn't raped with a foreign object. Going on to say there could have been irritants from baths, or even riding a bike. I guess part of me wants to believe that no mother could do harm to another child.

That talking head is full of it. Melanie, I understand why you don't want to believe a mother could rape a child with a foreign object, but did you not read the full article that I posted at the start of this thread (that was shortened by the mods)? If not, please read it it. It does happen. Females do rape other females with foreign objects, and mothers rape their children. Sybil's mother used flashlights and all sorts of other things. Several years ago, a young female college student was raped by another female college student with a Coke bottle. It DOES happen.

I'm sorry, the assertion that Sandra's genital injuries could have happened from bath irritants or riding a bike is naive and impossible. Law enforcement would not have added the "rape by instrument" charge if there was not valid evidence of actual sexual assault on Sandra from tissue samples and other examination. Medical examiners know the difference between "irritation" and rape. That's why alleged rape victims are taken to the hospital for examination and tests. It CAN be determined if rape has actually happened, or if the alleged victim is lying .

Furthermore, it has been conjectured that the object with which MH raped Sandra was found in the suitcase with her, perhaps even still lodged in a body cavity. With Sandra's body degraded from being in the water, law enforcement must have a very good case for the rape charge to be added. Otherwise, they would have merely stuck with the kidnapping and murder charge.

Please open your eyes, Melanie. This world is full of sick people who hurt innocent children, and yes, some of them are mothers.

 

[scandi]

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Also nice post above this one Cherokee. I hear what you are saying and it is something we as a society need to pay attention too. Some do go on to abuse - and it is important for society to figure out WHY. Once we know why, we can take better steps to prevent this from happening.

The other side of this coin, though is the "nature versus nuture" argument, which I personally find fascinating. Where do these other abusers come from and why? Just looking at KC Anthony - what happened to her? And Joe Duncan - it does not appear that he was abused but he was a monster beginning at a very early age. So many others, some of the most notorious with NO history of abuse in their backgrounds - where did they come from? Mind boggling.

Salem

Hi Salem and Everyone, What a fascinating thought you bring up - where do these abusers come from? I had just read last week there is a good possibility Ted Bundy had his first kill at age 14 with Ann Marie Burr:

http://laurajames.typepad.com/clews/2006/10/ted_bundys_firs.html

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" . . . does the key lurk in Bundy's childhood, a Gothic tale of secrecy, denial & possaible incest . . . . ."

 

[scandi]

That talking head is full of it. Melanie, I understand why you don't want to believe a mother could rape a child with a foreign object, but did you not read the full article that I posted at the start of this thread (that was shortened by the mods)? If not, please read it it. It does happen. Females do rape other females with foreign objects, and mothers rape their children. Sybil's mother used flashlights and all sorts of other things. Several years ago, a young female college student was raped by another female college student with a Coke bottle. It DOES happen.

I'm sorry, the assertion that Sandra's genital injuries could have happened from bath irritants or riding a bike is naive and impossible. Law enforcement would not have added the "rape by instrument" charge if there was not valid evidence of actual sexual assault on Sandra from tissue samples and other examination. Medical examiners know the difference between "irritation" and rape. That's why alleged rape victims are taken to the hospital for examination and tests. It CAN be determined if rape has actually happened, or if the alleged victim is lying .

Furthermore, it has been conjectured that the object with which MH raped Sandra was found in the suitcase with her, perhaps even still lodged in a body cavity. With Sandra's body degraded from being in the water, law enforcement must have a very good case for the rape charge to be added. Otherwise, they would have merely stuck with the kidnapping and murder charge.

Please open your eyes, Melanie. This world is full of sick people who hurt innocent children, and yes, some of them are mothers.

Hi Cherokee ;} Long time no see if you were posting here when Natalee Holloway went missing. Hi anyway even if she was another Cherokee

The words stated in today's link stating forensic details would not be released as it would create a wave of public outrage, or SS, tells me you must be right. When this rape by instrument first came out in the news I read a post stating in so many words that her private area was literally decimated, and my first thought was there must have been a powerful anger built up in that killer/abuser.

One thing in today's article I didn't understand tho was they didn't want this info released to protect the Cantu family. They had nothing to do with what happened to Sandra, and would think this would reflect very badly on the Huckaby/Lawless family instead

 

[Salem]

I think the Judge meant protect the Cantu/Chavez family from further hurt and torment.

The uglyness of this whole matter is mind boggling. I can not imagine the pain Sandra's family is feeling. And I suspect that each member of that family is running around second guessing themselves with "what ifs". And everytime they read one of these articles, I would venture to guess they physically flinch while trying to forcefully stop the images that must run through their minds.

I know how I feel and I did not know Sandra. I send prayers of peace, love and healing to Sandra's family.

Salem

 

[LinasK]

That talking head is full of it. Melanie, I understand why you don't want to believe a mother could rape a child with a foreign object, but did you not read the full article that I posted at the start of this thread (that was shortened by the mods)? If not, please read it it. It does happen. Females do rape other females with foreign objects, and mothers rape their children. Sybil's mother used flashlights and all sorts of other things. Several years ago, a young female college student was raped by another female college student with a Coke bottle. It DOES happen.

I'm sorry, the assertion that Sandra's genital injuries could have happened from bath irritants or riding a bike is naive and impossible. Law enforcement would not have added the "rape by instrument" charge if there was not valid evidence of actual sexual assault on Sandra from tissue samples and other examination. Medical examiners know the difference between "irritation" and rape. That's why alleged rape victims are taken to the hospital for examination and tests. It CAN be determined if rape has actually happened, or if the alleged victim is lying .

Furthermore, it has been conjectured that the object with which MH raped Sandra was found in the suitcase with her, perhaps even still lodged in a body cavity. With Sandra's body degraded from being in the water, law enforcement must have a very good case for the rape charge to be added. Otherwise, they would have merely stuck with the kidnapping and murder charge.

Please open your eyes, Melanie. This world is full of sick people who hurt innocent children, and yes, some of them are mothers.

The same baseless reasoning was used in the Jon Benet Ramsey case to try and deny she was ever sexually abused either...

 

[Cherokee]

The same baseless reasoning was used in the Jon Benet Ramsey case to try and deny she was ever sexually abused either...

Exactly right.

 

[scandi]

I think the Judge meant protect the Cantu/Chavez family from further hurt and torment.

The uglyness of this whole matter is mind boggling. I can not imagine the pain Sandra's family is feeling. And I suspect that each member of that family is running around second guessing themselves with "what ifs". And everytime they read one of these articles, I would venture to guess they physically flinch while trying to forcefully stop the images that must run through their minds.

I know how I feel and I did not know Sandra. I send prayers of peace, love and healing to Sandra's family.

Salem

Thanks Salem. You have such a way with words :blowkiss: I feel so for Sandra's family but her mother especially. She has been traumatized beyond belief at the loss of Sandra, and every little prayer sent her way will help her heal.

It just has to be that everyone who has seen this mother so racked with grief has been so touched by her. God Bless everyone who knew and loved Sandra. It is just so unbelievable still to me that it happened in the first place.

 

[Cherokee]

Hi Cherokee ;} Long time no see if you were posting here when Natalee Holloway went missing. Hi anyway even if she was another Cherokee

Hi Scandi! I am the same Cherokee; the one and only WS Cherokee. It's good to see you again as well.

The words stated in today's link stating forensic details would not be released as it would create a wave of public outrage, or SS, tells me you must be right. When this rape by instrument first came out in the news I read a post stating in so many words that her private area was literally decimated, and my first thought was there must have been a powerful anger built up in that killer/abuser.

I agree. As I said before, for MH to be charged with "rape by instrument," there must be overwhelming forensic evidence to support that charge, especially since Sandra's body decomposed in water for two weeks. The fact that Sandra was enclosed in the suitcase also excludes any horrific damage done by wild animals or other water life. Except for normal tissue decomposition, there should have been no genital or vaginal damage, and certainly not enough to warrant a charge of "rape by instrument." Anything that was merely bath irritation, or caused from riding a bike, would not show up on a body that had been submerged in water for two weeks. Ask any qualified medical examiner, and they will tell you that is a forensic fact.

 

[Melanie]

That talking head is full of it. Melanie, I understand why you don't want to believe a mother could rape a child with a foreign object, but did you not read the full article that I posted at the start of this thread (that was shortened by the mods)? If not, please read it it. It does happen. Females do rape other females with foreign objects, and mothers rape their children. Sybil's mother used flashlights and all sorts of other things. Several years ago, a young female college student was raped by another female college student with a Coke bottle. It DOES happen.

I'm sorry, the assertion that Sandra's genital injuries could have happened from bath irritants or riding a bike is naive and impossible. Law enforcement would not have added the "rape by instrument" charge if there was not valid evidence of actual sexual assault on Sandra from tissue samples and other examination. Medical examiners know the difference between "irritation" and rape. That's why alleged rape victims are taken to the hospital for examination and tests. It CAN be determined if rape has actually happened, or if the alleged victim is lying .

Furthermore, it has been conjectured that the object with which MH raped Sandra was found in the suitcase with her, perhaps even still lodged in a body cavity. With Sandra's body degraded from being in the water, law enforcement must have a very good case for the rape charge to be added. Otherwise, they would have merely stuck with the kidnapping and murder charge.

Please open your eyes, Melanie. This world is full of sick people who hurt innocent children, and yes, some of them are mothers.

Thank you, Cherokee -- yes, my eyes are half closed in fear on this one. Just the thought makes my stomach turn. I want so badly to believe Sandra was not tortured that way. I haven't heard much about the instrument and will definitely look into it. When LE was asked he said "no comment' - thus, securing the integrity of his case.

I'm a mother, and just can't imagine what kind of mind this woman has to do such a thing. It sends chills up my spine.

I hope I didn't offend - I literally did want to believe that talking head.

All the best,

 

[Melanie]

I think the Judge meant protect the Cantu/Chavez family from further hurt and torment.

The uglyness of this whole matter is mind boggling. I can not imagine the pain Sandra's family is feeling. And I suspect that each member of that family is running around second guessing themselves with "what ifs". And everytime they read one of these articles, I would venture to guess they physically flinch while trying to forcefully stop the images that must run through their minds.

I know how I feel and I did not know Sandra. I send prayers of peace, love and healing to Sandra's family.

Salem

Me too, Salem, me too. When I saw Sandra's mom on Dr. Phil, I couldn't help but cry right along with her. She needs all of our prayers.

Peace,

 

[SeekingJana]

The same baseless reasoning was used in the Jon Benet Ramsey case to try and deny she was ever sexually abused either...

Lina and Cherokee and other fellow Ramsey case followers from so long ago now:
Every day since the broad details of Sandra's abuse by a pedophilic female and subsequent murder have been known to us, I have wished with all my heart, even to the point of having nightmares, that if Sandra's murder had to happen, which I don't know in the scheme of all things imperfectly human, that it could have come before JonBenet's murder.
Sandra's case is the ONLY highly publicized case of known and documented sexual abuse in the form of rape with an object and murder by a female which sheds enormous light on what so many of us believed happened to JBR and WHY, and by WHOM.

We have faith that Sandra's perp. will be prosecuted. There can be no justice in this world for JonBenet's murderer.. but I hope there is God's eternal justice.

I absolutely believe the two cases have extraordinary parallels- the main difference being that Melissa H was not Sandra's relative. I have hesitated to bring the matter up for fear that it would be seen as somehow diminishing Sandra's importance to us.. Sandra is important in her own right, and her horrific death, some of the worst details which are being withheld, could have changed the course of the Ramsey investigation, had it preceeded JBR's rape by an inanimate object and subsequent murder. Thank you for saying what I have been absolutely convinced of since 1997.

RIP, dear JonBenet, and now sweet Sandra. You are so loved by many mothers and grandmothers who sought justice for you in this world.. Many of our dear sleuths are now with you and little Sandra in Heaven, and I believe the loving comfort shared beyond the grave is great and everlasting.

IF other peoples' outrage and extreme sorrow is as great as mine, which I am sure it is, then I am glad Melissa H. is locked up for her own safety.

 

[scandi]

Lina and Cherokee and other fellow Ramsey case followers from so long ago now:
Every day since the broad details of Sandra's abuse by a pedophilic female and subsequent murder have been known to us, I have wished with all my heart, even to the point of having nightmares, that if Sandra's murder had to happen, which I don't know in the scheme of all things imperfectly human, that it could have come before JonBenet's murder.
Sandra's case is the ONLY highly publicized case of known and documented sexual abuse in the form of rape with an object and murder by a female which sheds enormous light on what so many of us believed happened to JBR and WHY, and by WHOM.

We have faith that Sandra's perp. will be prosecuted. There can be no justice in this world for JonBenet's murderer.. but I hope there is God's eternal justice.

I absolutely believe the two cases have extraordinary parallels- the main difference being that Melissa H was not Sandra's relative. I have hesitated to bring the matter up for fear that it would be seen as somehow diminishing Sandra's importance to us.. Sandra is important in her own right, and her horrific death, some of the worst details which are being withheld, could have changed the course of the Ramsey investigation, had it preceeded JBR's rape by an inanimate object and subsequent murder. Thank you for saying what I have been absolutely convinced of since 1997.

RIP, dear JonBenet, and now sweet Sandra. You are so loved by many mothers and grandmothers who sought justice for you in this world.. Many of our dear sleuths are now with you and little Sandra in Heaven, and I believe the loving comfort shared beyond the grave is great and everlasting.

IF other peoples' outrage and extreme sorrow is as great as mine, which I am sure it is, then I am glad Melissa H. is locked up for her own safety.

I just wanted to thank you for that special post SJ. I'm too tired right now to respond to it in a worthwhile way to do it justice, but so agree. JonBenet's death was the start of our country becoming aware of crimes like these IMO. Too many things were done wrong and I don't know if they can be corrected or compensated for to give her Justice.

But she is always in my heart, a pioneer in death to show the way for future investigations as what to do and not, especially with a crime scene. And then there are so many other facets to her case like a worthless DA, etc. There ought to be a law about that~

I read and learn. I know others do too, and hope many of them are in a position to make a difference now in any case where a child has been taken from this earth before God has given the call.


xox

 

[believe09]

This case has killed me for a number of the same reasons it has the rest of you...the vibrancy and age of the victim as well as the natural speculation regarding what might have occurred can't help but bring a sense of nausea.

I want to comment on one thing and raise a possibility as well-

First, I am intrigued that the judge would opt to issue a statement qualifying why the results of the autopsy would be supressed-specifically using the phrase "public outrage." The damage inflicted on this poor angel must have been grave indeed for the judge not to simply seal the report with no comment...am I making any sense?? So I wonder if rather than simply speculating that the object was in the suitcase , if there was actually evidence of perforation. I am not being salacious-simply wondering what could have moved the judge to be so specific.

It seems so trite to say that my heart goes out to Sandra's family...I simply hope that they make it through all of this. And hats off to the investigators who have had to piece this all together and gaze on the handiwork of such an evil mind.

 

[arielilane]

I think she is being a smart judge. I also, suspect that the Cantu and Chavez families are not ready to hear the details. Already there is much devastation and no more is needed, at least, at this time. There will be a time for justice for Sandra.