GUILTY MI - 4 students killed, 6 injured, Oxford High School shooting, 30 Nov 2021 *Arrest incl parents* *teen and both parents guilty* #7

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3 killed, 6 hurt in shooting at Michigan high school

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[Sillybilly]

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[Knitty]

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[Cool Cats]

Prosecutor makes it official: We will not charge any Oxford school officials over shooting​

Detroit Free Press
Updated Sat, March 16, 2024 at 4:42 PM EDT

Prosecutor makes it official: We will not charge any Oxford school officials over shooting

Parents demanded accountability from Oxford High School officials over letting Ethan Crumbley stay in class on the day of the shooting.

news.yahoo.com

"Our office has reviewed all of the evidence in the case," Assistant Prosecutor David Williams said in a statement to the Free Press. "We did not find sufficient evidence to support criminal charges against any school district employees. We believe the Oxford community deserves full accountability, and we stand with the families in their pursuit of changes that would make that possible."

 

[Cool Cats]

Crumbley convictions set a legal precedent for parents that could reach beyond shootings

The Michigan prosecutor who won convictions against the mother and father of teenage school shooter Ethan Crumbley said Friday her goal was not to ensure that the sins of other criminally convicted children are visited on their parents in court, but to prevent further gun violence.

news.yahoo.com

What precedent it sets is keep your guns locked up so your kid can't use them. The verdicts are a “warning” to parents like James and Jennifer Crumbley, who failed to keep a deadly weapon out of their son’s hands.

If your kid uses his friend's parents' gun then it is on them, not you.

2 cents

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Will James and Jennifer Crumbley appeal? Local experts weigh in on possible claims

Appeals have to be based on procedural mistakes or errors in how judge interpreted law. Some fear a higher court ruling on cases could "make bad law."

www.detroitnews.com

After two guilty verdicts for the parents of the Oxford High School shooter, defense attorneys are already turning their eyes to the appeals they see as inevitable.

Appeals can't be filed until after sentencing, which is April 9 for both James and Jennifer Crumbley. They were convicted by separate juries of four counts each of involuntary manslaughter in connection with their son’s mass shooting at Oxford High School in November 2021 that left four students dead — Hana St. Juliana, 14; Madisyn Baldwin, 17; Tate Myre, 16; and Justin Shilling, 17.

The cases were unprecedented, marking the first time parents of a school shooter have been charged with involuntary manslaughter. Just as they were tried individually, their appeals will be separate as well...

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

O/T - Related.

'Boys are disappearing' from mental health care, as signs of depression and anxiety go undetected

While girls typically show sadness through emotions, boys’ symptoms of depression may be swept aside as “typical” teenage behavior.

www.nbcnews.com

Teenage boys are drowning in just as much of the depression and anxiety that’s been well documented in girls. Experts warn that many young men struggling with their mental health are left undetected and without the help they need.

“We are right to be concerned about girls,” said Kathleen Ethier, director of the Division of Adolescent and School Health at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. “But I don’t ever want us to lose sight of the fact that boys aren’t doing well, either.”

Depression in boys may go unnoticed, Ethier and other experts said, because boys usually don’t show it through signs of melancholy typically found in girls.

“We have this very classic understanding of depression as being sad, being tearful, crying more, not eating as much and losing weight,” said Dr. Lauren Teverbaugh, pediatrician and child psychiatrist at Tulane University in New Orleans. “That’s just not how it looks for a lot of young boys.”...

 

[Izzylizzy]

Crumbley convictions set a legal precedent for parents that could reach beyond shootings

The Michigan prosecutor who won convictions against the mother and father of teenage school shooter Ethan Crumbley said Friday her goal was not to ensure that the sins of other criminally convicted children are visited on their parents in court, but to prevent further gun violence.

news.yahoo.com

What precedent it sets is keep your guns locked up so your kid can't use them. The verdicts are a “warning” to parents like James and Jennifer Crumbley, who failed to keep a deadly weapon out of their son’s hands.

If your kid uses his friend's parents' gun then it is on them, not you.

2 cents

Foreman of James Crumbley jury says gun storage was key issue for him, but not all jurors

Jury foreman says the prosecution's evidence "all kind of pieced together" against James Crumbley

www.freep.com

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Conviction of Oxford shooter’s parents ‘just the beginning’ for parents of murdered students

The parents of four students murdered in the Oxford shooting say the recent convictions are only the beginning.

www.clickondetroit.com

...As of March 14, both parents were determined to be partly at fault for the deaths of 14-year-old Hana St. Juliana; 16-year-old Tate Myre; 17-year-old Madisyn Baldwin; and 17-year-old Justin Shilling. The Oxford shooter himself was convicted in 2022 of four counts of first-degree murder, as well as 20 other felony charges. He’s since been sentenced to life in prison without parole.

But some say the shooter and his parents aren’t the only people who hold responsibility for the mass shooting. The families of the students who were shot and killed that day are still looking to hold the school district and its administrators responsible one way or another.

“While we are grateful that James and Jennifer Crumbley were found guilty, we want to be very clear that this is just the beginning of our quest for justice and true accountability,” the victims’ parents said Monday in a joint statement. “There is so much more that needs to be done to ensure other families in Michigan and across the country don’t experience the pain that we feel and we will not stop until real change is made.”...

 

[LMDlong]

Foreman of James Crumbley jury says gun storage was key issue for him, but not all jurors

Jury foreman says the prosecution's evidence "all kind of pieced together" against James Crumbley

www.freep.com

I agree with the verdict. I see an appeal being filed because it was not a law at the time to lock up the gun and this juror said that did it for him.

 

[LMDlong]

Conviction of Oxford shooter’s parents ‘just the beginning’ for parents of murdered students

The parents of four students murdered in the Oxford shooting say the recent convictions are only the beginning.

www.clickondetroit.com

...As of March 14, both parents were determined to be partly at fault for the deaths of 14-year-old Hana St. Juliana; 16-year-old Tate Myre; 17-year-old Madisyn Baldwin; and 17-year-old Justin Shilling. The Oxford shooter himself was convicted in 2022 of four counts of first-degree murder, as well as 20 other felony charges. He’s since been sentenced to life in prison without parole.

But some say the shooter and his parents aren’t the only people who hold responsibility for the mass shooting. The families of the students who were shot and killed that day are still looking to hold the school district and its administrators responsible one way or another.

“While we are grateful that James and Jennifer Crumbley were found guilty, we want to be very clear that this is just the beginning of our quest for justice and true accountability,” the victims’ parents said Monday in a joint statement. “There is so much more that needs to be done to ensure other families in Michigan and across the country don’t experience the pain that we feel and we will not stop until real change is made.”...

I still think the school should get some blame due to not checking the back pack. Moo

 

[wyome]

I still think the school should get some blame due to not checking the back pack. Moo

That and the school counselor should have counseled him that day. Sending him back to class instead of being buddies for the day and doing some one on one counseling may have kept him from shooting up the school.

But then again, a school counselor's job is a weird mixed bag. He did testify to having seen many mental health issues in students over 10 years. But I cannot recall specifically what he said his specific duties were. Anyone recall if his job was also guidance counselor in the way of academics, or was he more a conflict resolution/mental health counselor? IMO, this whole school counselor thing seems like a vague position.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I agree with the verdict. I see an appeal being filed because it was not a law at the time to lock up the gun and this juror said that did it for him.

James's "gross negligence" equated to "Involuntary manslaughter".

 

[Izzylizzy]

That and the school counselor should have counseled him that day. Sending him back to class instead of being buddies for the day and doing some one on one counseling may have kept him from shooting up the school.

But then again, a school counselor's job is a weird mixed bag. He did testify to having seen many mental health issues in students over 10 years. But I cannot recall specifically what he said his specific duties were. Anyone recall if his job was also guidance counselor in the way of academics, or was he more a conflict resolution/mental health counselor? IMO, this whole school counselor thing seems like a vague position.

Shawn Hopkins, counselor.
Academic planning, scheduling, emotional ,physical well being.

 

[BrownRice]

I still think the school should get some blame due to not checking the back pack. Moo

Crazy the school board has the power and authority to quash a government investigation.

 

[Megnut]

Michigan school shooter's father allegedly threatened to destroy the prosecutor in the case against him

The Oakland County prosecutor's office said Wednesday that James Crumbley threatened the prosecutor by name, warning her what was going to happen to her when he is released.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Michigan school shooter's father allegedly threatened to destroy the prosecutor in the case against him

The Oakland County prosecutor's office said Wednesday that James Crumbley threatened the prosecutor by name, warning her what was going to happen to her when he is released.

www.nbcnews.com

The convicted father of the Oxford High School shooter said in jailhouse phone calls that he wanted to ruin the prosecutor in the case against him and that she would be going to hell soon, sources confirmed.

James Crumbley made the comments to his sister while his case was pending, the sources close to the Oakland County Prosecutor’s Office confirmed.

The new details were first reported Monday by the Detroit Free Press.

A Michigan jury last week found Crumbley guilty on four counts of involuntary manslaughter for the shooting his son carried out, killing four classmates...

 

[Izzylizzy]

"Asked about the threats Friday, McDonald said that “he made a lot of threats” but that she didn’t want to elaborate because she didn’t want to give him more attention.

“I just don’t think it’s important to talk about," McDonald said then."

Michigan school shooter's father allegedly threatened to destroy the prosecutor in the case against him

The Oakland County prosecutor's office said Wednesday that James Crumbley threatened the prosecutor by name, warning her what was going to happen to her when he is released.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Families of Oxford victims call for statewide task force to investigate, more reforms

Parents of Madisyn Baldwin, Tate Myre, Justin Shilling and Hana St. Juliana are calling several reforms, including a task force to investigate shooting.

www.detroitnews.com

Pontiac — Families of the four Oxford students killed in 2021 continue to call for accountability and change, including the creation of a statewide task force and commission to investigate the emergency response to the shooting and mandatory statewide threat assessment policies.

In a statement issued Monday, the parents of Hana St. Juliana, Tate Myre, Justin Shilling and Madisyn Baldwin say they "speak with one voice" as they called for an investigation by the Michigan Attorney General's Office into Oxford Community Schools and the immediate removal of board members who were leading the district at the time of the violent attack at Oxford High School.

The parents held their press conference just days after an Oakland County jury convicted James Crumbley on involuntary manslaughter charges in connection with their kids' deaths. They said they have worked closely with Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald on a list of common-sense reforms that will lead to accountability and change...

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

After convictions of Michigan school shooter's parents, victims' families seek school accountability

Parents of Oxford High School students are calling for further investigations and legislation in the wake of the high-profile trials of James and Jennifer Crumbley.

www.nbcnews.com

While the historic trials of the parents of Michigan school shooter Ethan Crumbley resulted in guilty verdicts, the parents of the four students killed at Oxford High School in 2021 said Monday their quest for accountability is far from over.

They are turning their attention back to the school district and school administrators, some of whom were called as witnesses in the trials, to demand lasting efforts from state leaders, including changes to governmental immunity laws that protect schools from being sued and requiring independent reviews after any mass shooting.

They also want a continued investigation into the response at Oxford, with subpoena power to force people to cooperate, saying a third-party report released last year was "scathing" but also had shortcomings, in part, because school employees weren't compelled to participate.

"We're not fighting for us anymore," said Steve St. Juliana, whose 14-year-old daughter, Hana, was among those killed in the worst school shooting in Michigan's history...