MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #4

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OK peeps lets be careful. We don't know if they got a lawyer. But I have to admit the woman that just spoke sure sounded like one.

But we can't say they hired a lawyer until it is reported 10-4? 10-4 means did you hear me? Or was my transmission clear? LOL
 
eileenhawkeye said:
I have noticed some similarities between the Ramsey case and the Irwin case:

1.) In both cases, the parents provided LE with a list of suspects.
2.) In both cases, LE announced in the press conference that the parents weren't cooperating.
3.) In both cases, there was a divide between the parents and LE.
4.) In both cases, there was a lot of discussion about what the victim (and the parent in the JBR case) was wearing.
5.) In both cases, there was a hinky piece of evidence (missing cell phones and ransom note) that either means a very bold intruder, or was purposely done to point to an intruder with those characteristics.
6.) In both cases, it's possible that the mother accidentally killed the child, and the father helped to cover it up.
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I agree except that I do not think Lisa;s mother harmed her. MOO
 
grandmaj said:
Has MSM reported that they got a lawyer? I didn't see that??? Thanks.
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In a roundabout way grandma

An off camera reporter quizzed Steve Young about a family member recently arriving from Texas and whether the parents decision to end cooperation could have been influenced by outside advice from a relative/lawyer.

Mr. Young did not answer these questions but did the whole "I can't elaborate on . . . yada yada"

It was at the 7 pm presser tonight

ETA sorry grandmaj, you and I were posting around the same time. 10-4!
 
tlcox said:
And I took it still a third way.

I took - The Irwins know the home, the child, their lives and all the goings on in their day, their associates. This is intimate and important knowledge. Their deciding not to cooperate puts us at a disadvantage.
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Steve Young actually said that (in detail, perhaps not in those exact words)...saw it on the video that was posted upthread.

grandmaj, someone upthread posted a link (which I didn't read :blush:) about them lawyering up. My apologies if I misinterpreted.
 
Marah said:
If you go to the Lisa Irwin page on facebook, they have several posts that list where you can get fliers etc, so I think they are doing this, we just aren't hearing about it.
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Unfortunately, most of those pages are created by people like us, not family members or even usually someone close to the case.
 
grandmaj said:
OK peeps lets be careful. We don't know if they got a lawyer. But I have to admit the woman that just spoke sure sounded like one.

But we can't say they hired a lawyer until it is reported 10-4? 10-4 means did you hear me? Or was my transmission clear? LOL
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Loud and very clear grandmaj ... loud and clear.
 
Also:

The family member's statement ended abruptly
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 9:11 PM

Irwin family member says another statement will be made tomorrow morning
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 9:16 PM


WATCH the statement from an Irwin family member, disagreeing with what police said earlier tonight: www.kmbc.com
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 9:19 PM
 
SyraKelly said:
I am so glad your story had a happy ending!!
but I am thinking..did someone offer to help the parents to make and hang posters and they said no-did no one offer..why-I just can t think of a reason why no one would put up posters..I would want my child's pic everywhere!! It just does not seem right!!
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My nephew was at a concert 150 miles away. He had separated from the group he went with and they never could find him when it was over. They called my sister and she immediately drove there and notified LE and got posters together and kept at it for 2 days until he was arrested for sitting in a car that a person was warming up in the early morning. He had done some drugs at the concert and ended up having a psychotic break. He thought he was a viking married with 2 children........
 
It is funny how thousands of people said no one would try to cover up the accidental death of a child, when it was Casey, and yet in both this case and in Aliayah's case, the theory of an accidental overdose has been presented, with parents going into a panic and cover-up mode. Anyway, it just struck me. JMO
 
all these shenanigans will come with a price... whatever is going on with the family and LE...

if this is truly a stranger abduction than guess who will be paying for that price? ((baby lisa))
 
Lavanda Dolce said:
It's absolutely possible the family is just extremely distraught, tired, full of anxiety and fears and therefore not thinking straight and just plain ol' don't want to talk to the police or reporters or anyone anymore. Maybe they called them and asked them to come back to the station and they told them "NO"...and that is what is interpreted as "not cooperating?" As I posted a few posts above, their accounting did not match as to what happened at that time they learned their baby was missing....so either they are covering something up or they are exactly as I started this post...too stressed and tired. I hope it is the latter.
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You're looking at this from all angles. This is how cases are solved. I also hope it's the latter.
 
Just want to make sure everyone notices this

Read the end of the timeline. Family has said they are cooperating with LE

Lisa Irwin Timeline

Monday October 3, 2011

Abducted by intruder through bedroom window. Far right window of house.

UPDATE—according to police spokesman window may not be correct.

3620 block of North Lister 64117

CORRECTION TO ABOVE GIVEN BY JEREMY IN PHONE INTERVIEW 10-6-2011

Lisa in bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie in bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room. Point of entry by abductor was unlocked front door, window mentioned earlier was NOT tampered with.

UPDATE 10-6-11 3 cell phones also taken. One does not even work. Also, dad came home to find front door unlocked, most of the lights on and front window open.

Jeremy Irwin, Lisa’s father, told local media that whoever took his daughter also took all three of their cell phones so they couldn’t call anybody, including 911.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/06/3190568/cell-phones-taken-along-with-missing.html#ixzz1a1QJj8XG


~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)

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Other two sons asleep in different bedrooms. (sons are half brothers to Lisa-the 6 year old is Debbie’s and the 8 year old is Jeremy’s from previous relationships.)

Father is electrician that works nights. Just started job on this night.--Jeremy

Mother is a SAHM--Debbie

Monday October 3, 2011 10:00 p.m. Last seen in crib wearing purple shorts and purple shirt with white kittens on it.

**Possibly seen by Mr. Parscale (a man that lives in the area) according to his wife Lisa around 12:00 a.m. Tuesday wearing only a diaper being carried by a male. Quote from Lisa--“He seen the guy act like he was going to go into a residence,” Parscale said, “but then my husband drove off so we’re thinking that maybe he was just doing that so that my husband would leave.”

**Parscale says her husband saw the man walking on a street perpendicular to North Lister, where Lisa Irwin lives with her parents and brothers.


Tuesday October 4, 2011 3:30 a.m. (first report stated it was 4:00 a.m.) Father returns home from work and discovered baby missing from crib.

UPDATE at 2:00 p.m. October 4 presser Capt. Steve Young speaking—Parents’ story has no holes. Looking into neighbor that possibly saw Lisa being carried by the male. No suspects other than neighbor sighting.

Tuesday October 4, 2011 approx. 7:00 p.m. amber alert cancelled. Lisa is considered a MISSING/ENDANGERED JUVENILE. Per police the alert has served it’s purpose. Police and dogs will search for a while into the night.

*** Tuesday night authorities searched a van and car at the home. There is no word on what police found or were looking for. Officers searching for the child focused on areas near the family's home such as railroad tracks near the north side of the Missouri River and a wooded area behind the home. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-aut...rch-for-missing-baby-20111005,0,6273053.story

Tuesday 9:25 p.m.

Mass exodus of police from the command center. Looks like K-9's are finished searching for the night. Police search will continue in AM
by cliffjudy via twitter 9:25 P

**family stayed with relatives after being questioned until 10:30 p.m.

Wednesday October 5, 2011

9:00 a.m. press conference Capt. Steve Young speaking—basically no new information. Still searching with dogs, however there have been no hits. Parents not ruled out, but also not suspects. Very cooperative.


** KMBC's Jana Corrie: Children who were also inside the home at the time of the disappearance staying with neighbors

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1ZvPzisbv

**conflicting reports…unless the Grandparents are being referred to as “neighbors”


NBC Action News reporter Sloane Heller reports Lisa’s grandparents are watching the couple’s other children and have not been able to reach them since earlier Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_missouri/northland/police-ruling-nothing-out-in-search-for-lisa-irwin#ixzz1ZvXO4Yxz


Next news conference sometime this afternoon.

2:00 news conference—Jeremy spoke with Deborah (Bradley?) by his side. Begged for baby to be dropped off somewhere safe. The brothers are waiting to see their sister. Declined to take questions.

Again, Capt. Has no leads, not ruling out anything. 300 knocks and searches. 46 tips. No ransom note. Family is free to go where they would like. Family does not want to be at house.

**Alleged sighting of Lisa with a middle aged white male and female at a Love’s gas station in St. Joseph, MO I-29 and US HWY 169. Driving older model SUV. Article came out around 5:15 p.m. Surveillance video has been turned over to LE. Police say it doesn’t seem to be a major lead.


Thursday October 6, 2011


**Jeremy and Debbie provided LE with a list of 9 names of people that could be possible suspects.

**Per Debbie regarding cell phones and possible other missing items:

~one of the cell phones did not work.. all three were on the counter and she was in the midst of reprogramming them/putting numbers into them

~phones were gone

~she did not notice if anything else was taken.. all she cares about is that the baby was gone.

~she grabbed the boys and went out into the yard and flagged down LE when they pulled into the yard

~she said nothing else appeared to be missing but she does not know

(thank you NBM)




http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

** police detectives are meeting early this morning to talk about where to search next.

**per Debbie, “Lisa is very sweet and will go to almost anybody.”

**per Jeremy, window was not tampered with, so perp (s) must have come in through unlocked front door.

**Lisa went to bed at 7:30 p.m. Debbie went to bed at 10:30 after checking on Lisa. 5 year old son slept with Debbie in parents room.

***Debbie and Jeremy have a heated discussion with LE before speeding off in police car to command center to find out about possible new lead. http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-lis...scussion-with-police-20111006,0,5671503.story

**the list of suspects provided by the parents is now up to 12.

Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a391r9l4


Originally Posted by BeanE [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7196439#post7196439"]
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Capt. Young: "There is no doubt they informed us that they no longer wish to cooperate with the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:05 PM

Capt. Young: "We have no plans to close the command center yet, but it will close at some point."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:04 PM

Capt. Young: "I don't have to illustrate how their lack of cooperation hurts the investigation."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "I cannot get into the details of the investigation."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:03 PM

Capt. Young: "the mother and father no longer want to cooperate with detectives."by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspect. If we had enough to charge anyone with, we'd probably be pursuing charges."
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "We don't have any suspects. From an investigative standpoint we've enjoyed their cooperation"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young": The parents have intimate information as to what's been going on...our door is open and it doesn't help that they are no longer cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:02 PM

Capt. Young: "They've always been free and cooperative up until this point, but they've decided to stop cooperating"
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM

Capt. Steve Young: Mother and father of baby Lisa Irwin have stopped cooperating with police
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 8:01 PM


http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_...#ixzz1a39rwETg


"This evening we will be shutting down the command post. We believe we have done all we can regarding geographic searches and will continue tracking leads as we get them or develop additional information," police Officer Darin Snapp said in a news release.

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3JybPqG


Family statement: We saw the press conference at 7 PM, and we want you to know we have never stopped cooperating with police.
by Brian Foster - KMBC.com... 9:11 PM

Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1a3m5ocP3
 
nursebeeme said:
all these shenanigans will come with a price... whatever is going on with the family and LE...

if this is truly a stranger abduction than guess who will be paying for that price? ((baby lisa))
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:( *tears*
 
SuziQ said:
Wish I knew. It seems to me that LE got pissed and like someone just posted, is taking their ball and going home. I keep waiting to hear something...anything that will make me think ahhhh, now I get it.
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NOT when there is a baby girl missing out there, no matter the circumstance.
 
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