NC NC - Lumberton, WhtFem 15-20, UP1882, in cornfield near asphalt plant, Sz 6 sandals, clothes, Jun'78

[sunnynz]

Some possible rule-outs not made yet:

1. Patricia Action, 25 year old from Pinellas Co., FL - went missing about a week before Doe was found in NC and disappeared under suspicious circumstances. Similar high forehead and brown-haired.
2. Mary Rodermund, 16 year old from St. Mary Co, LA who disappeared about four months before Doe was found in NC, again similar stats.

Both of those MPs have DNA tests completed in Namus, as does the UID, so they would've been hit on as a match already.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Saw the date found on this and thought of terry Rasmussen. It would fit his timeline transitioning from Texas to NH. Maybe traveling his way up North. The age range has been stated at times as 15-22, which would make her a more likely victim of his if she was older IMO. Do we have a cause of death on this Jane Doe?

 

[rats]

Both of those MPs have DNA tests completed in Namus, as does the UID, so they would've been hit on as a match already.

Don't assume that. There's different levels of CODIS and also NamUs doesn't say where the DNA is anymore. It could be in a different place. Please don't automatically assume.

 

[sunnynz]

Don't assume that. There's different levels of CODIS and also NamUs doesn't say where the DNA is anymore. It could be in a different place. Please don't automatically assume.

What makes you assume I’m assuming that info? Email I received from Dustin at Namus when I asked about this very same thing: “yes! If you see DNA marked as “Complete” for each case, they would have hit in the DNA database, so you do not need to send those matches in as they automatically search against each other.”

I think that’s pretty black and white? That was from June. Have you had more recent info from Namus that contradicts this?

 

[booghawk]

Don't assume that. There's different levels of CODIS and also NamUs doesn't say where the DNA is anymore. It could be in a different place. Please don't automatically assume.

I hear so many different things from so many different people and I have no idea what to assume now? I look over every potential that also has DNA, but I'm always second guessing it. Do you have a rule of thumb?

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[rats]

I hear so many different things from so many different people and I have no idea what to assume now? I look over every potential that also has DNA, but I'm always second guessing it. Do you have a rule of thumb?

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My general rule of thumb is to only accept that its a rule out when it states that there was a rule out.

Thankfully we can now see what Does MPs have been ruled out as on the MP pages due to the new NamUs!

Her new NamUs page: https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/1882

 

[booghawk]

My general rule of thumb is to only accept that its a rule out when it states that there was a rule out.

Thankfully we can now see what Does MPs have been ruled out as on the MP pages due to the new NamUs!

Her new NamUs page: https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/1882

I can't see any rule outs on the does pages now though?

Edit: Nevermind, yes I can. What about their DNA, dentals & fingerprints? Can we no longer see if those are entered?

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[theshadow45]

Lumberton Jane Doe has been unidentified for 40 years today.

 

[carbuff]

I've been told repeatedly by Namus contacts that the new system addresses the issues of levels and kinds of DNA and we can now assume if it says "complete" for DNA, the comparison was made automatically. One example: if the UID only has mtDNA, not nucDNA, it won't be marked as complete.

I don't know whether that information is true or not, but I do know you won't get anywhere with a submission that says there's DNA for both decedent and missing person. They'll just bounce it back to you with the standard blurb about automatic. I don't think the Namus contact even looks at it directly any more; the replies seem to be automated.

 

[Alleykins]

I've been told repeatedly by Namus contacts that the new system addresses the issues of levels and kinds of DNA and we can now assume if it says "complete" for DNA, the comparison was made automatically. One example: if the UID only has mtDNA, not nucDNA, it won't be marked as complete.

I don't know whether that information is true or not, but I do know you won't get anywhere with a submission that says there's DNA for both decedent and missing person. They'll just bounce it back to you with the standard blurb about automatic. I don't think the Namus contact even looks at it directly any more; the replies seem to be automated.

I kinda got that vibe, too.

 

[leilarose68]

I hope DDP will take her case one day.

 

[Alleykins]

I hope DDP will take her case one day.

Me, too. Where the lower end of the her age range makes her technically a child, would they take her on?
Did they give an age cut off as to what they consider child vs adult when deciding to take on the case, when it comes to age estimates?

 

[leilarose68]

Me, too. Where the lower end of the her age range makes her technically a child, would they take her on?
Did they give an age cut off as to what they consider child vs adult when deciding to take on the case, when it comes to age estimates?

When DDP says 'child' I think they're more talking pre-pubescent, like child obviously under the care of a guardian. 15 is not that young for a runaway. They did not give an age range but that was my impression. Might be a good question to ask though

I know they haven't said anything about not taking on Walker County Jane Doe's case because she's too young or something & she was likely 13-16... so that makes me think this Jane Doe would be okay.

Also, Buckskin Girl was considered potentially to be under 18 y/o before they identified her.

 

[Alleykins]

When DDP says 'child' I think they're more talking pre-pubescent, like child obviously under the care of a guardian. 15 is not that young for a runaway. They did not give an age range but that was my impression. Might be a good question to ask though

I know they haven't said anything about not taking on Walker County Jane Doe's case because she's too young or something & she was likely 13-16... so that makes me think this Jane Doe would be okay.

Also, Buckskin Girl was considered potentially to be under 18 y/o before they identified her.

Yes, I was thinking of Marcia King when I typed that.
That is a good question to ask them.

 

[carolinafirefly]

I'm a complete noob and admittedly have no idea what I'm doing, but I think Teresa Cupps looks kinda similar to this Jane Doe, especially in the jaw/mouth area:

Missing Person Case MP12468

Anyone else see it?

 

[Jennifer17]

I'm a complete noob and admittedly have no idea what I'm doing, but I think Teresa Cupps looks kinda similar to this Jane Doe, especially in the jaw/mouth area:

Missing Person Case MP12468

Anyone else see it?

Yes!

 

[carolinafirefly]

Close enough to submit, and how and to who would I submit it to be checked for a possible match?

 

[U2forever]

Carolinafirefly, go back to the beginning of the thread and there are a couple links, follow the links and there should be case numbers and case managers with link, emails or phone numbers you can follow and submit your doe.

 

[carolinafirefly]

Carolinafirefly, go back to the beginning of the thread and there are a couple links, follow the links and there should be case numbers and case managers with link, emails or phone numbers you can follow and submit your doe.

Thanks! I emailed the Regional Program Specialists listed under the case contacts in NamUs before I read this. The original post in the thread had a link to doenetwork. Should I email the contact listed there, or is submitting it to NamUs enough?

 

[sunnynz]

Thanks! I emailed the Regional Program Specialists listed under the case contacts in NamUs before I read this. The original post in the thread had a link to doenetwork. Should I email the contact listed there, or is submitting it to NamUs enough?

Submitting to doenetwork wouldn’t hurt but I would personally copy in the namus contact too so no one doubles up on effort.