NC - Shaniya Davis, 5, Allegedly sold by mother 11/10/09 #15

[jamiect]

Thanks.
They answered it for me already. Thank God.
I really don't want to google that.

I understand!

 

[smart blonde]

Hotel rooms offer:

*Privacy

*Nice "background"/ surroundings

* Big beds

*Good place to clean up afterwards

 

[Cortne]

Something has been bugging me.

I have seen it stated BL had raised little Shaniya for the past several years of her life.

Which leads me to question, who raised her the first "couple" of years? Anyone know?

If he has raised her the entire 5 years, why state "several"?

Also, wondering why she had "Davis" as a last name since BL was supposedly raising her.

Since she had AD last name, this would mean she would have rights to child support.

I have been wondering the same thing.
I also noticed the other day that BL's sisters name is Lockhart-Davis. How odd is that? I am sure this has been discussed and I am way behind, lol.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I was on when it was happening and it was gross - they were on last Saturday night's thread if I remember correctly.

I think you are right. I was on too but behind.
I was thankful I didn't see them. I could tell by our members' reactions they were horrible.

 

[not_my_kids]

Has there ever been any evidence of an actual snuff film? I'm pretty sure the FBI has said they have never found a single valid case.
There have been serial killers who taped their torture and murder of people ,but a snuff film is made specifically for the purpose of killing and then selling the film.
I know there was a pretty famous case where Charlie Sheen saw what he thought was a snuff film. He reported it and it turned out to be just a movie.

Yeah, the FBI didn't find Jimmy Hoffa either, and we know he existed. :innocent:

 

[LogicalMinds]

NO>>

I don't for one minute think that Brad knew or "predicted" or wanted this horror to happen

but....to take a little princess over to the worst (stated by locals) area of town...to a woman he supposedly barely knew...a "one night stand"..(and yeah, let's think how they might have met?)....

to take her word she had a job and a place to live??

I would not for a minute really even think a mother would do this...but....a kid in a trailer with 2 felons and 2 women, 2 other kids...worst part of town...cars coming and going

I would think that she could injest beer or booze or eat a crack rock...I would be afraid she would see adults fighting, smoking drugs, getting drunk, having sex...I would be afraid that she would not eat right...be allowed to wander outside...maybe get hit by a car (some other drunk or junkie speeding down the road)...so many possibilities

again....the "defenders" of the dad who seem to think this was just a heartfelt desire to give AD some "momma time" never address the fact that MOST sane and sensible people put a LOT more thought into boarding a pet

when we went on a cruise I checked out kennels....called them...asked for responses...boarded the dogs in one for a night ....visited others...

years ago I found a "cat hotel" for my (late) cat that had individual cat trees

and yes, when I was on vacation I did call to "talk" to them
(heard their tails wagged LOL)

Too bad similar efforts were not taken here

 

[smart blonde]

I was on when it was happening and it was gross - they were on last Saturday night's thread if I remember correctly.

What was the picture of?

 

[belimom]

I'm still catching up on old thread so sorry if this has been posted - but I don't recall seeing it yet:

Has the mobile home been searched? I mean - really searched, for evidence? WHY NOT?!? :banghead:

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Ok, I'm gonna go for a bit. Somebody around here has to provide supper. I'm thinking hubby thinks it should be me.
I didn't realize I reached my 1,000 post. Yeah me.

Have a good evening.
See y'all later.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Yeah, the FBI didn't find Jimmy Hoffa either, and we know he existed. :innocent:

Hey, I'm not saying they can't exist. Frankly, I would be surprised if they didn't. Just, I don't think there has ever been an actual confirmation of one existing.

 

[songline]

I asked and found the answer now I am sick.

SNUFF FILM:
[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snuff_film[/ame]
A snuff film or snuff movie is a motion picture genre that depicts the actual death or murder of a person or people, without the aid of special effects, for the express purpose of distribution and entertainment or financial exploitation. Though deaths have been captured on film, snuff films as commonly defined are generally regarded as an urban legend.

 

[Muffet]

I'm bringing this over from the other thread because it closed before I could post:



Snipped respectfully for space by me.

I think the difference is that he knew AD, or thought he did. We can become lulled into a sense of security when we actually know people who may pose a risk. I have said this before, and I will repeat it. How many times have we heard neighbors or others say, for example: "Oh, but he was such a nice man! So kind to animals and children. I never would have guessed he could do something like this."?
How many cases have we heard of where the initial reaction from people who knew the perp is that he or she just must be innocent because they are not capable of such acts? I think of Jesse Grund and casey anthony. He thought she was a wonderful, loving mother incapable of harming her child. he knew casey well. He slept with her, lived with her and was engaged. But, he could not see the evil that is now so apparent to us.
I think it is psychological to be more trusting of people we actually know.

The other issues is that, again, some people are not that smart. Some people don't have good hinky meters. Some people are naive, trusting. Some people hold the ideal of motherhood to such a high standard they could not imagine a m other harming a child - even though we hear of such cases in the news. Another example from the casey case - there were LEGIONS of people from websleuths supporting her and/or insisting that she either had nothing to do with it and was innocent, except possibly for negligence, that her child was forcibly kidnapped, that casey sold her child instead of murdering her, or that if the child was dead, it was an accident. And these are people who know full well about crime and stats and mothers who kill yet did not actually know casey. But, they could not wrap their mind around the possibility that a pretty young woman with tons of smiling pictures of her and the child, could have murdered her own baby. It's the motherhood ideal working.
Finally, how many of you could possibly predict such an outcome? My gosh, it is so horrible to comprehend - a mother actually harming her child in such a premeditated, methodical manner, and for what, why? How the heck could this average, uneducated, working class father possibly predict such a thing?
We on these boards know full well the risks to kids from drug use, new boyfriends, dysfunction, etc. But many, many people out there do not. Nor do they know what they can do about it even if they have an inkling as to the risks. This father should have done many things. He didn't. But he is not a bad man. He's a single dad trying his best to work and provide for his child and provide for her care and give her access to her bio-mom, etc.he obviously took great care of Shaniya, who looked happy, clean and well adjusted, when in his care. He made a huge error in giving AD a chance to see her child.
Finally, sadly, I come across cases in my practice, every single week, of parents who absolutely have no understanding of their rights. Especially dads. I don't think Brad knew of the risks, knew what he could do to obtain custody via the courts or knew that it is not always wise to give someone a "second chance." I pity the man.

I'm sorry, gitana. I'm not going to rationalize that sort of irresponsible parenting away, because it sends the worst message to parents who might be tempted to take the same sort of risks with their children.

This man was not ignorant or naive, and he was worse than careless. He was strongly warned, but refused to heed the warnings. He put other things ahead of his daughter's safety.

It frightens me to think that there are any seemingly "good parents" out there who can't look at that situation and recognize that it was not the place any responsible parent would send a child.

 

[passionflower]

I knew. I just hadn't considered it in Shaniya's case. Normally, on the rare occasion on is made, they use adults...they fight more and make it more exciting. (Typing that sentence made me feel dirty.)

I know that they are rare, very rare. It is hard to find a market, and very hard to find one that can be trusted. I don't think that McNeil would be able to find a buyer, but I'm not sure. I think McNeil may be a little further up the criminal food chain than most are assuming.

or for sick kicks, these monsters seem to have!!!

 

[Kat]

I'm bringing this over from the other thread because it closed before I could post:



Snipped respectfully for space by me.

I think the difference is that he knew AD, or thought he did. We can become lulled into a sense of security when we actually know people who may pose a risk. I have said this before, and I will repeat it. How many times have we heard neighbors or others say, for example: "Oh, but he was such a nice man! So kind to animals and children. I never would have guessed he could do something like this."?
How many cases have we heard of where the initial reaction from people who knew the perp is that he or she just must be innocent because they are not capable of such acts? I think of Jesse Grund and casey anthony. He thought she was a wonderful, loving mother incapable of harming her child. he knew casey well. He slept with her, lived with her and was engaged. But, he could not see the evil that is now so apparent to us.
I think it is psychological to be more trusting of people we actually know.

The other issues is that, again, some people are not that smart. Some people don't have good hinky meters. Some people are naive, trusting. Some people hold the ideal of motherhood to such a high standard they could not imagine a m other harming a child - even though we hear of such cases in the news. Another example from the casey case - there were LEGIONS of people from websleuths supporting her and/or insisting that she either had nothing to do with it and was innocent, except possibly for negligence, that her child was forcibly kidnapped, that casey sold her child instead of murdering her, or that if the child was dead, it was an accident. And these are people who know full well about crime and stats and mothers who kill yet did not actually know casey. But, they could not wrap their mind around the possibility that a pretty young woman with tons of smiling pictures of her and the child, could have murdered her own baby. It's the motherhood ideal working.
Finally, how many of you could possibly predict such an outcome? My gosh, it is so horrible to comprehend - a mother actually harming her child in such a premeditated, methodical manner, and for what, why? How the heck could this average, uneducated, working class father possibly predict such a thing?
We on these boards know full well the risks to kids from drug use, new boyfriends, dysfunction, etc. But many, many people out there do not. Nor do they know what they can do about it even if they have an inkling as to the risks. This father should have done many things. He didn't. But he is not a bad man. He's a single dad trying his best to work and provide for his child and provide for her care and give her access to her bio-mom, etc.he obviously took great care of Shaniya, who looked happy, clean and well adjusted, when in his care. He made a huge error in giving AD a chance to see her child.
Finally, sadly, I come across cases in my practice, every single week, of parents who absolutely have no understanding of their rights. Especially dads. I don't think Brad knew of the risks, knew what he could do to obtain custody via the courts or knew that it is not always wise to give someone a "second chance." I pity the man.

Thank you sweetie, well said.

In no particular order:

1. Casey Anthony

2. Melissa Huckaby

3. Marie Pisam (Rose's mother)

4. Jami Anderson

5. Mila Petrov (maine trial this month)

6. Lowanda Tripp

This is kind of off topic but not really. All of the above with the exlusion of M. Huckaby have been either charged or convicted of murdering their own children. M. Huckaby is the one that sexually assaulted Sandra Cantu and then murdered her. Even though I am having such a difficult time with Shaniya's death...this happens every single day in the world and it sux to be a kid sometimes. It really does.

 

[LadyL]

A repost of the three amigos - ETA: Pizzface is MAM:

:rolling:

p.s. I have no idea what a pizzface is but it doesn't really matter ... it's still funny hehe

 

[Rapsodee]

hmmmmm.........pretty sure i read back few pages ago..........the break in was at MAM home...........and a computer was taken....Kid *advertiser censored*?????????....MAM........wanted the break in................hmmmmmmmmm...........makes me think the snuff film..........maybe there have been lots of them.....MOTEL........SD .........drugged.......something went wrong............does that make any sense

 

[SondraK]

Does anyone find it strange that of all the people we have heard from, someone who was right there and had first hand knowledge,(Brenda), has remained invisible????

 

[karen7868]

I'm sorry, gitana. I'm not going to rationalize that sort of irresponsible parenting away, because it sends the worst message to parents who might be tempted to take the same sort of risks with their children.

This man was not ignorant or naive, and he was worse than careless. He was strongly warned, but refused to heed the warnings. He put other things ahead of his daughter's safety.
It frightens me to think that there are any seemingly "good parents" out there who can't look at that situation and recognize that it was not the place any responsible parent would send a child.

ITA! I'm thinking it is because he is now engaged. Fiance probably didn't want a ready made family.

I'm sorry...but there is just something about BL that is rubbing me the wrong way.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Does anyone find it strange that of all the people we have heard from, someone who was right there and had first hand knowledge,(Brenda), has remained invisible????

YES!!!
I've mentioned it several times actually.

But seems theres not much info out there on her. No criminal record.
But, Momster had no criminal record either but she did the unthinkable.

This aunt HAD to know this was going on in that 12' x 40' trailer IMO

 

[Patty G]

Dad is not on Shaniya's Birth certificate only Mom is on her BC.
they did share custody in an informal way. Nothing court ordered.He said her mom got Shaniya occasionally not very often. His own daughter says that dads girl friend and sister have raised her mostly.

How do you know that Brad is not on the BC? Have you seen the BC or link please?