NC - Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct. 2010 #37

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Just as a point of reference, I often have bills (usually paid, but sometimes otherwise) in my car. Because I often pick up the mail on my way to the car, or take the bills to the car to pay (writing checks, stamping and mailing while in the car). Then I just leave them there until I clean the car out. Every time I do clean my car, I am sure to find AT LEAST one bill.

Oh goodness me too lol. I grab the entire mail/envelope and checkbook when going out to pay my bills. We use a UPS Store mailbox for business so I always have mail from there and the check stubs end up stuffed between the console after I make my deposits. I do try once or twice a month to gather everything up and throw it on my desk :)

So it's not out of my realm of possible that the envelope and bill found on the search warrant are a pair ....IMO we aren't dealing with the brightest bulbs in the chandelier!! :crazy:
 
With all due respect folks, I don't think we know the Duke Power envelope (ransom note) had anything at all to do with a bill.

The only description I've seen anywhere in the media is "Duke Energy envelope" or "Duke Power envelope".

Is it possible that an energy company might mail out anything other than a bill? Marketing materials? Conservation campaign brochures? Does the company dabble in other services besides residential power?

I've lived here for all of my life (minus the first 5 years) and usually when Duke Power has a mailing they add it as a stuffer with the bills they mail out monthly. I honestly can't recall a separate mailing from them ever. Not saying it doesn't happen.... but it really isn't the norm.
 
I just want to say this...
LE knew the randsom was bogus.. LE surely searched that house well, not once but twice.. I would think that Adam Baker would have noticed some changes in that house... but obviously didn't inform LE of it...
asking for the Aussie help here... Is there something between the continents/visa/immagration that would hinder his arrest..?? Possibly kidnapping charges that may effect this case... I'm thinking LE is fixing lose ends about a kidnapping charge for having Zahra here unlawfully... KWIM.. once those are taken care of... they will arrest him without inncident...

------not an aussie----but, according to this site, charges in the U.S. come first ----( and you then pay the price as any citizen would..)

http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/tips/gaolos.html

Arrested or jailed overseas

Being arrested overseas

If you are arrested overseas you have the right to contact the Australian Government, but consular assistance cannot override local law, even when local laws may appear harsh by Australian standards.

--------lots of info on what they "can" and "cannot" do to help @ link.
 
Thinking outside the bun here...
If the bill was sent to Mr. Coffey's address but was handed to the Bakers to pay.. and she wrote the randsom note on the outside of it.. I would say that's why EB's boat sunk..
I'm not sure about anyone else... but I really want to hear from Mr. Coffey and/or his daughter... Why take your daughter to a place that you have found out a randsom was written about... I would be in fear.... why take her there..??
 
^ yes that's correct, if you do a crime in another country you fall under the law of the land, and are charged as a local. AB being an Australian will not effect the charging or sentencing here.
 
I'm just going to put this out there before I go to bed...
why was Mr. Coffey called before the 911 call for the fire...?
why did Mr. Coffey bring his daughter to the exact place where a ransom note was written about her..
why was Mr. Coffey called before they reported Zahra missing..


Maybe because EB/AB aren't the sharpest tools in the toolbox???:innocent: LOL
 
I have not been able to see the latest news about this case today but so far I think the following
based on what news I have seen so far:

1. LE seems to believe that Zahra was missing since some time in September
'. . .Employees at the "In Your Home" furnishing show room in Hickory said
on September 25 Zahra Baker and her stepmother Elisa Baker were seen shopping for
living room furniture . . .'
http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/631566/police-determine-last-day-zahra-baker-seen

' . . .That was two weeks before Zarha's stepmother reported her missing. . .'
http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/631566/police-determine-last-day-zahra-baker-seen

2. Evidently the family may not have been truthful about when she went missing.
'. . .investigators have said they don't believe the story given by her father and stepmother. . .'
http://abcnews.go.com/US/authoritie...aker-missing-north-carolina/story?id=11901744

3. Because there is such an amount of time between when Zahra was last seen to
be alive and when she was reported missing I believe both parents had to know what
really happened to her. With that much time it is not possible that one of the parents
did not know she was missing until the 9th of October when news reports allege Zahra
was reported missing. Therefore both parents knew for quite some time that Zahra was
no longer and yet waited to tell LE.

This leads me to the conclusion that they wished to hide certain evidence and possibly,
via the fake ransom note, to manipulate the investigation or at least to establish some
form of reasonable doubt in case of a later trial. We at websleuths have seen other
case/s where family waited to report a child missing.

4. LE searched for certain evidence. One piece was possibly Zahra's mattress. I wonder
why the mattress was important. LE went to a lot of trouble and expense to recover it.
Unless Zahra was murdered on her bed they might have been looking for more DNA than just
her DNA on the bed.
'. . .Police also noted that DNA was found on the mattress. . .'
http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-na...ss-found-case-of-missing-nc-girl-contains-dna

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/631962/crews-recover-mattress-in-zahra-baker-search/
I wonder how long it will take for all of the DNA results to come back.

5. LE also went to considerable time and expense digging up and then sifting through
the dirt in & around her home.
'. . . Investigators returned for a second day of digging and sifting in the
backyard of the home Hickory where 10-year old Zahra Baker lived. . .'
http://www.wcnc.com/news/Investigators-Cotinue-to-Dig-at-Zahra-Baker-House-106146038.html

A chipper was mentioned:
' . . . The wood chipper and nearby debris became the focus of the search after cadaver
dogs made positive "hits" on the equipment Monday . . .'
http://abcnews.go.com/US/zahra-baker-case-cops-search-wood-chipper-mulch/story?id=11868397

My experience in reading cases here has taught me that sometimes people do use a chipper
to dispose of a body. But also I have read cases where some dismemberment
took place indoors first. Perhaps evidence of that might be some of what LE was looking
for most recently in the home.

6. One news videos I watched showed an attic space that looked as if it might have been
used to hold a child captive in a previous apartment. I wonder if investigators
looked for similar alterations in the current family home.
http://www.wcnc.com/news/Investigators-return-to-Zahra-Bakers-Hickory-home-105036589.html

Watching the news reports about the family and reading other reports is almost like
seeing a very slow motion video of a train heading on the tracks towards a stalled car.
You just know it is only a matter of time until something very bad happens.

7. If one had body parts to dispose of (whether or not they were small like those from a chipper)
previous cases indicate in or near water is a preferred site. I remember one case
where the parts were put through a chipper & then mixed into concrete and the concrete
was then dumped in the edge of a lake or stream where fishermen eventually found
it & turned it in.

From the way Zahra's 'leg' and her mattress were discarded as trash I would expect
her body parts were similarly treated. . . . probably dumped in a wooded area & likely in
low lying brushy land or in/or near water but that is just a guess based on some past cases.
 
I'm just going to put this out there before I go to bed...
why was Mr. Coffey called before the 911 call for the fire...?

( i don't believe that he was-----in her call, EB goes on about where AB works etc...no mention of calling mr.C. first----once the officer sees the note---the officer contacts mr.C )

why did Mr. Coffey bring his daughter to the exact place where a ransom note was written about her..

( at this point it's safe to do so---and the place has all sorts of LE/fire dept. around..and he's wondering...what the heck ??)

why was Mr. Coffey called before they reported Zahra missing..

( plan A---hoping he would fall for the fake kidnapping and give them $$'s.)
( as it's practically HIS fault, b/c HIS daughter was supposed to be taken---and THEIRS was..)

why was Mr. Coffey their priority when it came to the 911 calls.

( plan B----$$$'s --( and guilt )--see plan A ).
 
'. . . In December 2009, the Bakers’ landlord at the trailer park served
Adam Baker with an eviction notice saying that he owed $1,114 in back rent. . . .'
http://www2.journalnow.com/news/2010/nov/01/stepmother-abused-her-neighbors-say-ar-499832/

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/...egal-trouble-follow-zahras-parents-ar-462500/

My guess is there was a reason they did not like landlords much and so tried to use one
as a scapegoat and distraction in this case.

He provided the necessary link to the bakers but I think it would be a link meant to lead investigators
off in directions away from the bakers.
 
I signed back on, I can't sleep.

I'm starting a new thread if no one tells me not to. Just send me a message if you have already started. If not we are going to have a mess for the mods LOL.
 
New Thread for Zahra # 38

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5754248#post5754248"]NC Zahra Clare Baker, 10, Hickory, 9 Oct. 2010 #38 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

Let's continue there, it might take a mod a few to lock this one okay?

:)
 
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