NJ - Trial of Christopher Gregor Allegedly Beat 6-Year-OId Son to Death

[NuttMegg]

I'm getting tired of the defense atty & fans of CG referring to "football" as an excuse for Corey's constant bruises, contusions and wounds. No kid comes home from flag football with these recurring injuries. The coach, parents, and regulators of the sport would not allow it.

The judge should require him to say FLAG football. There is a reason that so many parents allow their kids to play only flag football. Even now there are mixed gender teams as the brute force contact is not necessary to win.

Flag football - Wikipedia

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"The game began as a recreational sport created for American military personnel to help them stay fit but was designed in a way that would help prevent them from becoming injured during wartime."

 

[MyBelle]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed> The prosecution's expert witness testified the child's injuries were inflicted 4 to 12 hours prior to death which would have been 5:03 AM to 5:03 PM. The mother testified she had the child in her care until 9:03 AM. <modsnip> Her own testimony indicates the child was in her care during 4 of those hours.

JMO

 

[AnyNameIWish]

I really couldn't care about any hamhock

Mario Balucci acting like he's not familiar with the word LOL. Maybe he doesn't cook? (Boooo) Ham Hocks! It's not hard to say!

The game began as a recreational sport created for American military personnel to help them stay fit but was designed in a way that would help prevent them from becoming injured during wartime."

Ty for this. I learned something new today.

A 200 plus pound college football defense man

LOL Chris played ONE game at Wesleyan until he was kicked out due to his assault/theft!!! And then had to come back to New Jersey in 2010. ONE game. See attached. Definition of a L O S E R. Would LOVE to hear from anyone who knew him in those few months at Wesleyan!

 

[NuttMegg]

25:00 Listen to the obfuscation from the parents regarding the timeline. The mother says that Daniel called her while she and husband were still enroute to the hospital, with news that he was receiving threats. So they called CG and said there were threats. Def atty said do you know where he was at that time, the dad says not exactly. LOL.

Then "at some point" they arrived at the hospital (defendant already had bolted), she says Daniel said that Rebecca was already at the house. Then, imo she realizes the implications of saying that the so-called harassment started before they even got to the hospital. In that clip of their testimony not once do they relate a specific hour. These two citizens, at the loss of their only grandchild under baffling circumstances, this retired NJ policeman, ex home land sec emp., private consultant with home business, neither of them, on what was most likely (for normal people) one of the most shocking, devastating days of their lives, hour after hour, never noted the time. An ex cop. Didn't think to look at his watch.

Heck I just went to get a coffee and I casually noted the time.

 

[Megnut]

Remember when the pros atty kept saying hearsay, and the judge said it was permissable because of the type of hearing, ie without the jury. So the prosecutor kind of threw up her hands and said, ok I'll present the objections at the end, under relevancy.
So, all of those insinuations, finely disguised accusations from the Gregors against the boy, his mother and extended family were given (lots) of time. The jury isn't HERE y'know. But excerpted to youtube with no disclaimers about jury not there, etc. I don't recall any similar juriless hearing where the prosecution could call potential witnesses to badmouth the defendant just to see what would stick. Ahem, like criminal record.

Not fair, because the Gregors, and the judge knew it would all get back to the jury, being headlined by the big gun crime shows. And, that the jury was given 6 days off to twiddle their thumbs and try to avoid media coverage.

Whereas CG's criminal history, Breanna's constantly reporting Corey's wounds to CPS, all of that is conveniently tucked away on the local news.

I think that day of letting the defendant's family badmouth the victims, imo, was a travesty.

I really couldn't care about any hamhocks or eggs thrown at their house. The boy is dead and all evidence points to their coddled son, more than 1/4 century of age.

When such things aren't hammered out ahead of trial, I have seen them occur within a trial. Judge removes the jury and then asks Counsel for a proffer -- to what is this witness called to testify, even to the extent of a mini trial -- juries can be surprised at trial but counsel isn't supposed to be.

So as distasteful as that testimony from last week was, it is way better for justice that the judge heard it before the jury could. We have to trust that the jurors are taking their job seriously and are avoiding media coverage.

Having heard what he heard, the judge is setting parameters for what those two witnesses can and can't testify to. Using them to speak about things only the defendant himself rightly can but without having to take the stand, without bring subject to cross examination is going to have tight rein. As it ought to be

Like: you can maybe tell me what he said if it informed the action you took but you can't testify for him, what he did, why he did it, what he was thinking.

It will be valuable to watch the trial when the parents do take the stand, or even if each still will. I suspect their testimony will be limited by three things -- 1. Boundaries outlined by the judge. 2. The defense revamping their approach so they show better and 3. Objections from the State if the Defense strays into guarded testimony

Plenty of evidence remains to convict this violent, overgrown bully. I trust the jury.

JMO

 

[NuttMegg]

I'm starting to think about the probable scenario en the defendant's apt that morning of Aprii 2. There was a mgt scheduled with CG, Corey, and Bm with the abuse specialists.

I can visualize the defendant browbeating the boy about what he wanted Corey to say. Confusion on Corey's part about his father making up stories to blame Mommy.

Wham! You're going to do as I say!!

Imo

 

[MyBelle]

When such things aren't hammered out ahead of trial, I have seen them occur within a trial. Judge removes the jury and then asks Counsel for a proffer -- to what is this witness called to testify, even to the extent of a mini trial -- juries can be surprised at trial but counsel isn't supposed to be.

So as distasteful as that testimony from last week was, it is way better for justice that the judge heard it before the jury could. We have to trust that the jurors are taking their job seriously and are avoiding media coverage.

Having heard what he heard, the judge is setting parameters for what those two witnesses can and can't testify to. Using them to speak about things only the defendant himself rightly can but without having to take the stand, without bring subject to cross examination is going to have tight rein. As it ought to be

Like: you can maybe tell me what he said if it informed the action you took but you can't testify for him, what he did, why he did it, what he was thinking.

It will be valuable to watch the trial when the parents do take the stand, or even if each still will. I suspect their testimony will be limited by three things -- 1. Boundaries outlined by the judge. 2. The defense revamping their approach so they show better and 3. Objections from the State if the Defense strays into guarded testimony

Plenty of evidence remains to convict this violent, overgrown bully. I trust the jury.

JMO

BBM. I think the Judge has repeatedly instructed the jury to avoid both media coverage and discussing it with anyone.

JMO

 

[AnyNameIWish]

There was a mgt scheduled with CG, Corey, and Bm with the abuse specialists.

...... this meeting was at scheduled at noon on 4/2, which Christopher promptly canceled for some reason. By 3:40pm Corey's limp, lifeless body is being carried into the ER at South Ocean Medical Center by dad after telling Breanna he was vomiting and sleeping a lot. (Autopsy will show laceration in his little heart, and contusions and lacerations on his liver.... horrifying. Not to mention the bruising on his chest noted by Nurse Carnavale.)

The Gregor family must know full well what Christopher is capable of- they're doing damage control to save the Family Reputation. Moo.

 

[MyBelle]

...... this meeting was at scheduled at noon on 4/2, which Christopher promptly canceled for some reason. By 3:40pm Corey's limp, lifeless body is being carried into the ER at South Ocean Medical Center by dad after telling Breanna he was vomiting and sleeping a lot.

The Gregor family must know full well what Christopher is capable of- they're doing damage control to save the Family Reputation. Moo.

BBM. I think the reason the father cancelled the meeting was because the child was ill.

Vomiting and sleeping a lot are both serious signs of sepsis. I'm looking forward to medical experts' testimonies.

JMO

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[stmarysmead]

They absolutely know.

Why did CG complete his degree with online classes..instead of having the full college experience he was set to have before his arrest? Did he require parental supervision?

Did he ever complete his course work at John Hopkins? Or did he have to scurry home after that arrest?

 

[NuttMegg]

They absolutely know.

Why did CG complete his degree with online classes..instead of having the full college experience he was set to have before his arrest? Did he require parental supervision?

Did he ever complete his course work at John Hopkins? Or did he have to scurry home after that arrest?

Awkward to use the terms "Johns Hopkins" and "Chris Gregor" in the same sentence.

Oxymoron.

 

[MyBelle]

They absolutely know.

Why did CG complete his degree with online classes..instead of having the full college experience he was set to have before his arrest? Did he require parental supervision?

Did he ever complete his course work at John Hopkins? Or did he have to scurry home after that arrest?

My guess is that CG completed his degree online because it was during the Covid-19 Pandemic and many colleges cancelled classes. I'm not sure why his education has anything to do with this trial.

JMO

 

[tlcya]

My guess is that CG completed his degree online because it was during the Covid-19 Pandemic and many colleges cancelled classes. I'm not sure why his education has anything to do with this trial.

JMO

but mom's past drug use does?

 

[MyBelle]

but mom's past drug use does?

I think the Jury needs to know the reason the mother lost custody.

JMO

 

[tlcya]

I think the Jury needs to know the reason the mother lost custody.

JMO

Wasn't that covered in her testimony on Tuesday last week?

MOO the right individual is on trial and the jury will find him guilty.

 

[GRT]

I think the Jury needs to know the reason the mother lost custody.

JMO

That's a good point. Since drug addicts often relapse, family courts can be leery about giving them custody.

I would think the jury would need to know all the circumstances.

 

[GRT]

Wasn't that covered in her testimony on Tuesday last week?

MOO the right individual is on trial and the jury will find him guilty.

I think so, too, but I don't want to give him any reasons to appeal.

 

[MyBelle]

Wasn't that covered in her testimony on Tuesday last week?

MOO the right individual is on trial and the jury will find him guilty.

Yes, it was covered in her testimony because the Jury needed to know the information, which was my point.

JMO

 

[tlcya]

Yes, it was covered in her testimony because the Jury needed to know the information, which was my point.

JMO

Has the jury heard about his education? Or is it just that topic being discussed here that you object to? Which is my point.

 

[MyBelle]

That's a good point. Since drug addicts often relapse, family courts can be leery about giving them custody.

I would think the jury would need to know all the circumstances.

I agree! The Judge seems to have a good handle on this case so far.

JMO