gabagool
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:3 tyyWelcome to the discussion!! You didn't spam at all... you shared some interesting thoughts!
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:3 tyyWelcome to the discussion!! You didn't spam at all... you shared some interesting thoughts!
I think a very plausible scenario is that her mother was from Yugoslavia (Slovenia) Roma Haplogroup H24 and her father was German, thus she was born in Nuremberg pre-war Nazi Germany. I was thinking she "may" have been one of the Kindertransport children taken out of Germany before the war started. This could explain the "Wales" map hotspot in her childhood. She also had a hotspot on the French border, question is how long was she there? She clearly learned a traditional French style of copybook writing somewhere. The KT program took mainly Jewish kids out of Germany over the Swiss border by train then by ship to the UK. I don't ever remember reading gypsies were taken too, but I could be wrong. There's monstrous important gaps in IW's timeline from WWII to 1970, and that's just reality. I do think at some point she had a connection to the East German Stasi because of the "Kreisleitung" term she used, but nothing is certain. She could of wrote down remembered things from her WWII era life too. Another thing I just remembered is an alleged witness said IW wanted to by a set of silverware from her store in Bergen, and it was to be sent to Germany somewhere. To her home? A relative? Or just a way to covertly pass some gathered information to say the GDR/East Germans Stasi/KGB? hmm...she could have been a part of a serbian/croatian separatist group, which would tie her to the swiss banker thing. udba did a lot of hits in skandinavia in the 60s and 70s. (im still waffleing on about the south slavic thing, but i know 3 women from sisak and 4 from osijek who look exactly like her composite) probably not serbian tho bcs cyrilics would be her go to in the shorthand cypher. im planing on going to the archive and checking some udba files, but i doubt there's anything uncensored there.UDBA – Wikipedia
didn't they say she spoke better french than german? thats been nagging at me for a while.I think a very plausible scenario is that her mother was from Yugoslavia (Slovenia) Roma Haplogroup H24 and her father was German, thus she was born in Nuremberg pre-war Nazi Germany. I was thinking she "may" have been one of the Kindertransport children taken out of Germany before the war started. This could explain the "Wales" map hotspot in her childhood. She also had a hotspot on the French border, question is how long was she there? She clearly learned a traditional French style of copybook writing somewhere. The KT program took mainly Jewish kids out of Germany over the Swiss border by train then by ship to the UK. I don't ever remember reading gypsies were taken too, but I could be wrong. There's monstrous important gaps in IW's timeline from WWII to 1970, and that's just reality. I do think at some point she had a connection to the East German Stasi because of the "Kreisleitung" term she used, but nothing is certain. She could of wrote down remembered things from her WWII era life too. Another thing I just remembered is an alleged witness said IW wanted to by a set of silverware from her store in Bergen, and it was to be sent to Germany somewhere. To her home? A relative? Or just a way to covertly pass some gathered information to say the GDR/East Germans Stasi/KGB? hmm...
Hmm.. not as I recall I believe she just spoke English and German to witnesses. With one polyglot hotel employee recognizing a distinct East German dialect.didn't they say she spoke better french than german? thats been nagging at me for a while.
also i think this is about jennifer fegrate, IW spoke french bestHmm.. not as I recall I believe she just spoke English and German to witnesses. With one polyglot hotel employee recognizing a distinct East German dialect.
Full VG doc in Norwegian but with English subtitles.
Mystery at the Oslo Plaza
In a room at the Oslo Plaza Hotel, a young, elegant woman is found dead, with a gun shot wound to the head. Why did she check in under a false name? Why are the labels removed from her clothes? Why has no one reported her missing? After 22 years, her grave is re-opened.www.vg.no
Ack I'm juggling two different cases lol And they weirdly do have some similarities other than just happening in Norway 25 years apart. I think a strong connection to Germany with both. Anyway back to IW!also i think this is about jennifer fegrate, IW spoke french best
You mean WWII? My hunch is she could be Slovene on her mom's side. If she was born in the Nuremberg area of Germany her father could be native German.im currently doing a deep dive into post ww1 refugee camps for slovenes there might be something
ww1 if her parents settled in slovenia and were there until ww2You mean WWII? My hunch is she could be Slovene on her mom's side. If she was born in the Nuremberg area of Germany her father could be native German.
You're right, it is about JF.also i think this is about jennifer fegrate, IW spoke french best
Her handwriting is definitely Middle European, not Balkan and not a second acquired writing by a Cyrillic writer and the spelling of the German words is immaculate and correct. She is german or maybe french or belgian.It appears IW was a clear polyglot. Alleged witnesses said she spoke in what sounded like a distinct "Balkan" accent. She was said to have had a noticeable "lisp" and could not pronounce words with the "th" sound. Of note many parts of Europe do not teach that sound in school which involves using the tongue and teeth. Notably Eastern Europe such as the Balkan countries. For example I found this in a language discussion about the "th" sound pronunciation.
"Russians, French and Germans, for example, substitute "th" with "s" or "z" sounds. Instead of "I think" they would say "I sink" hmm... I believe this is what the witnesses heard.
According to Norwegian witnesses her German was her best and most natural sounding, but her French was deemed to be more "academic" and definitely not her native language. Very curious.
Probably nothing, but my Belgian take on the writings:Her handwriting is definitely Middle European, not Balkan and not a second acquired writing by a Cyrillic writer and the spelling of the German words is immaculate and correct. She is german or maybe french or belgian.
I am also thinking she may have been involved in organized crime of some sorts, maybe industrial espionage (but there would have been sightings at companies and factories that are not reported) or a high class escort who traveled to meet her high profile top secret customers and kept disguise and fake passports in case she gets arrested (prostitution was illegal in many countries, not sure about Norway). Many prostitutes went under multiple aliases.
What makes me wonder is that she always gave professions from the art trade and art manufacturing as her profession (gilder, antiques trader). There should be a connection.
Eupen-Malmedy is the German-speaking region of Belgium.Probably nothing, but my Belgian take on the writings:
She writes “Brüssel”. It’s the german form of Brussels(Eng)/Bruxelles(Fr)/Brussel(Dutch).
Not a lot of people ‘translate’ their adress while writing their adress. If they do, it’s mostly English. I’ve been in German speaking countries, as do my friends&family, and none of them ever translated their adress in German.
There is a German piece of Belgium. So i would rather say that IF she was Belgian, she was raised in German than beïng a flemish/french speaking Belgian.
Eupen-Malmedy - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
She learned a French style of copybook writing. It's not going to help solve the case, only a DNA match, or bombshell classified file released is going to do that, but it could connect key missing dots from her past. So to recap what we do know based on the later scientific evidence, and details from the 2018 DIIV BBC/NRK podcast. (I do trust the scientific results to a degree)Eupen-Malmedy is the German-speaking region of Belgium.
it also says that there were two distinct roma groups in that period and one of them spoke an archaic language that was specific for the area (central to eastern europe)been doing some reading and found a source that says no more than half a million roma people lived in europe in the interwar period. there are also mentions of roma populations in slovakia. however, in yugoslavia (kingdom), roma were not allowed in major cities so she probably wasn't from ljubljana per say. the odd thing for her being from up north is that there weren't many roma in germany, scandinavia etc. if those communities were small it doesn't make sense to me that nobody noticed her gone, unless her mother/grandmother had cut ties with her people previously View attachment 494594