NY NY - Ellery, Rte 17, WhtFem 30-37, UP15489 193UFNY, GSW, poss from Canada or Europe, note, clothes, Dec'83

[SimsGuy67]

Recons from Doe Network published last November

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These are AI, aren't they? I'm not a fan of using AI like this, and I'm willing to bet Ellery Jane Doe will end up looking nothing like these images.

(Side note, but they seem to have actually used the Wes Neville reconstruction and put it through some sort of AI filter. See the resemblance between it and one of the AI images?)

 

[carbuff]

Yes, it looks like it might be using the original reconstruction. It might not even be AI. You can get results similar to this through some of the "see what you look like with different makeup" apps.

 

[victoriarobinson642]

These are AI, aren't they? I'm not a fan of using AI like this, and I'm willing to bet Ellery Jane Doe will end up looking nothing like these images.

(Side note, but they seem to have actually used the Wes Neville reconstruction and put it through some sort of AI filter. See the resemblance between it and one of the AI images?)

Yes, those are AI. The woman who made that one has made a handful of others using the same technique. I don't...love it. You can tell because the hair has a lot really weird, nonsensical artefacts.

 

[carbuff]

Yes, those are AI. The woman who made that one has made a handful of others using the same technique. I don't...love it. You can tell because the hair has a lot really weird, nonsensical artefacts.
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Thanks for blowing those up. I don't see well enough to pick out things like that in the original.

 

[Zuzettem]

I found two short articles about the case:
1) The Buffalo News (Buffalo, New York) · Wed, Dec 7, 1983 · Page 37 - autopsy planned.

UP15489 Unidentified female 1983 NY

Clipping found in The Buffalo News published in Buffalo, New York on 12/7/1983. UP15489 Unidentified female 1983 NY

www.newspapers.com

2) The Buffalo News (Buffalo, New York) · Thu, Dec 8, 1983 · Page 3 - police working on leads.

UP15489 Unidentified female 1983 NY

Clipping found in The Buffalo News published in Buffalo, New York on 12/8/1983. UP15489 Unidentified female 1983 NY

www.newspapers.com

 

[Falling Down]

I found two short articles about the case:
1) The Buffalo News (Buffalo, New York) · Wed, Dec 7, 1983 · Page 37 - autopsy planned.

UP15489 Unidentified female 1983 NY

Clipping found in The Buffalo News published in Buffalo, New York on 12/7/1983. UP15489 Unidentified female 1983 NY

www.newspapers.com

2) The Buffalo News (Buffalo, New York) · Thu, Dec 8, 1983 · Page 3 - police working on leads.

UP15489 Unidentified female 1983 NY

Clipping found in The Buffalo News published in Buffalo, New York on 12/8/1983. UP15489 Unidentified female 1983 NY

www.newspapers.com

The truck stop cited in the 2nd article is quite large.

Reminds me of the Tammy Jo Alexander case, from early Nov. of '79. Similar circumstances, both cases involved I-90, albeit a fair distance away from each other.

Murder of Tammy Alexander - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Sister hoped 'Cali' escaped toxic life

Tammy Jo Alexander's sister hoped for years that Alexander was alive.

www.democratandchronicle.com

What gets me is the time of year, one in Nov., one in Dec. Could be the same killer, maybe traveled through western NY during that time of year for work.

JMO

 

[SimsGuy67]

The truck stop cited in the 2nd article is quite large.

Reminds me of the Tammy Jo Alexander case, from early Nov. of '79. Similar circumstances, both cases involved I-90, albeit a fair distance away from each other.

Murder of Tammy Alexander - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Sister hoped 'Cali' escaped toxic life

Tammy Jo Alexander's sister hoped for years that Alexander was alive.

www.democratandchronicle.com

What gets me is the time of year, one in Nov., one in Dec. Could be the same killer, maybe traveled through western NY during that time of year for work.

JMO

Not to mention the victims were of entirely different ages. But, the killer may have just been targeting women estranged from their loved ones (We know that was the case with Tammy and maybe with this case).

As we all know, if there are two victims, there's a very likely chance there may be more.

 

[LadyL]

This is EXACTLY what I was thinking regarding the note
Style of writing is completely resplendent of Austria or Germany.
Not just the number 7 that is crossed but the style of the number 1 as well.

#7's with the line through it is or used to be also common in certain parts of Canada
source: me - I live here and was taught it in grade school
so there's that Canadian connection again ...

 

[Zuzettem]

These are not matches but two similar looking women went missing from Quebec, Canada around the same time:

Danielle Boisvert​

733DFQC - Danielle Boisvert

Name: Danielle Boisvert
Case Classification: Missing
Missing Since: November 6, 1979
Location Last Seen: Montreal, Quebec, Canada

Physical Description​

Date of Birth: January 29, 1961
Age: 18 years old
Race: White
Gender: Female
Height: 157 cm / 5'2"
Weight: 47 kg / 104 lb.
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Brown
Nickname/Alias: Unknown
Distinguishing Marks/Features: Scar on left cheek; birthmark on right thigh

Identifiers​

Dentals: Unknown
Fingerprints: Unknown
DNA: Available

Clothing & Personal Items​

Clothing: Blue denim coat; blue denim pants; red and black wool shirt; blue and white Adidas running shoes
Jewelry: Unknown
Additional Personal Items: Unknown

Circumstances of Disappearance​

Danielle was last seen in the Brasserie Bourget in North Montreal in the evening of November 6, 1979. She left at about 23.00 after having a few beers. She didn't report to work the following morning and has never been seen again.

Isabelle Bourgeot​

222DFQC - Isabelle Bourgeot

Name: Isabelle Bourgeot
Case Classification: Endangered Missing
Missing Since: November 12, 1985
Location Last Seen: Ste-Foy, Quebec, Canada

Physical Description​

Date of Birth: October 19, 1953
Age: 32 years old
Race: Unknown
Gender: Female
Height: 5'7"
Weight: 120 lbs.
Hair Color: Curly brown
Eye Color: Brown
Nickname/Alias: Unknown
Distinguishing Marks/Features: Bourgeot has five moles on her left cheek. She had several abrasions on her left arm at the time of her disappearance. She had mental problems resulting from a car accident.

Identifiers​

Dentals: Unknown
Fingerprints: Unknown
DNA: Unknown

Clothing & Personal Items​

Clothing: Unknown
Jewelry: Unknown
Additional Personal Items: Unknown

Circumstances of Disappearance​

Bourgeot disappeared from her hometown of Ste-Foy, Quebec Canada in November 1985.

She suffered from a violent nervous shock during a car accident. She suffers from memory loss and may use another identity. She wasn't carrying any identification paper at the time of her disappearance.

She may have been sighted in Québec in 1992.

 

[Zuzettem]

These are not matches but two similar looking women went missing from Quebec, Canada around the same time:

Danielle Boisvert​

733DFQC - Danielle Boisvert

View attachment 499388
Name: Danielle Boisvert
Case Classification: Missing
Missing Since: November 6, 1979
Location Last Seen: Montreal, Quebec, Canada

Physical Description​

Date of Birth: January 29, 1961
Age: 18 years old
Race: White
Gender: Female
Height: 157 cm / 5'2"
Weight: 47 kg / 104 lb.
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Brown
Nickname/Alias: Unknown
Distinguishing Marks/Features: Scar on left cheek; birthmark on right thigh

Identifiers​

Dentals: Unknown
Fingerprints: Unknown
DNA: Available

Clothing & Personal Items​

Clothing: Blue denim coat; blue denim pants; red and black wool shirt; blue and white Adidas running shoes
Jewelry: Unknown
Additional Personal Items: Unknown

Circumstances of Disappearance​

Danielle was last seen in the Brasserie Bourget in North Montreal in the evening of November 6, 1979. She left at about 23.00 after having a few beers. She didn't report to work the following morning and has never been seen again.

Isabelle Bourgeot​

222DFQC - Isabelle Bourgeot

View attachment 499389
Name: Isabelle Bourgeot
Case Classification: Endangered Missing
Missing Since: November 12, 1985
Location Last Seen: Ste-Foy, Quebec, Canada

Physical Description​

Date of Birth: October 19, 1953
Age: 32 years old
Race: Unknown
Gender: Female
Height: 5'7"
Weight: 120 lbs.
Hair Color: Curly brown
Eye Color: Brown
Nickname/Alias: Unknown
Distinguishing Marks/Features: Bourgeot has five moles on her left cheek. She had several abrasions on her left arm at the time of her disappearance. She had mental problems resulting from a car accident.

Identifiers​

Dentals: Unknown
Fingerprints: Unknown
DNA: Unknown

Clothing & Personal Items​

Clothing: Unknown
Jewelry: Unknown
Additional Personal Items: Unknown

Circumstances of Disappearance​

Bourgeot disappeared from her hometown of Ste-Foy, Quebec Canada in November 1985.

She suffered from a violent nervous shock during a car accident. She suffers from memory loss and may use another identity. She wasn't carrying any identification paper at the time of her disappearance.

She may have been sighted in Québec in 1992.

One more, Myriam Isabelle Kniaz, went missing from Ste-Foy, similarly to Isabelle Bourgeot.

Myriam Isabella Kniaz​

510DFQC - Myriam Isabella Kniaz

Name: Myriam Isabella Kniaz
Nickname/Alias: Mirriam Isabella Kniaz
Case Classification: Missing
Missing Since: November 15, 1981
Location Last Seen: Ste-Foy, Quebec

Physical Description​

Date of Birth: October 20, 1965
Age: 16 years old
Race: White
Gender: Female
Height: 5'5" - 165 cm
Weight: 112 lbs - 51 kg
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Brown
Distinguishing Marks/Features: She speaks French and English

Identifiers​

Dentals: Not available
Fingerprints: Unknown
DNA: Available

Clothing & Personal Items​

Clothing: Blue jeans; brown shoes; blue/white vest; short green coat
Jewelry: Unknown
Additional Personal Items: Unknown

Circumstances of Disappearance​

Myriam was last seen at her foster home in 1981.

​

 

[dotr]

One more, Myriam Isabelle Kniaz, went missing from Ste-Foy, similarly to Isabelle Bourgeot.

Myriam Isabella Kniaz​

510DFQC - Myriam Isabella Kniaz

View attachment 499412
Name: Myriam Isabella Kniaz
Nickname/Alias: Mirriam Isabella Kniaz
Case Classification: Missing
Missing Since: November 15, 1981
Location Last Seen: Ste-Foy, Quebec

Physical Description​

Date of Birth: October 20, 1965
Age: 16 years old
Race: White
Gender: Female
Height: 5'5" - 165 cm
Weight: 112 lbs - 51 kg
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Brown
Distinguishing Marks/Features: She speaks French and English

Identifiers​

Dentals: Not available
Fingerprints: Unknown
DNA: Available

Clothing & Personal Items​

Clothing: Blue jeans; brown shoes; blue/white vest; short green coat
Jewelry: Unknown
Additional Personal Items: Unknown

Circumstances of Disappearance​

Myriam was last seen at her foster home in 1981.

​

Although some of the mps listed may have been previously suggested, it is a great opportunity to give each of the threads a 'bump', thanks!

CANADA - Canada - Danielle Boisvert, 18, Montreal, Que, 6 Nov 1979

I know we are not supposed to reach out to family members, but it would be wonderful if they can join us here.

www.websleuths.com

CANADA - Canada - Isabelle Bourgeot, 32, Ste-Foy, Que, 19 Nov 1985

Case File 222DFQC Left and center: Bourgeot, circa 1985; Right: Age-progressed image of Bourgeot to an unknown age Isabelle Bourgeot Missing since November 12, 1985 from Ste-Foy, Quebec, Canada Classification: Endangered Missing Vital Statistics Date Of Birth: October 19, 1953 Age at...

www.websleuths.com

CANADA - Canada - Myriam Kniaz, 16, Ste-Foy, Que, 15 Nov 1981

The Doe Network: Case File 510DFQC Left 2: Kniaz at age 16 & 12; Right: Age-Progressed images Myriam Isabella Kniaz Missing since November 15, 1981 from Ste-Foy, Quebec, Canada. Classification: MissingVital Statistics Date Of Birth: October 20, 1965 Age at Time of Disappearance: 16 years...

www.websleuths.com

 

[stefaniied]

#7's with the line through it is or used to be also common in certain parts of Canada
source: me - I live here and was taught it in grade school
so there's that Canadian connection again ...

Yep, I’m from Quebec and always wrote my 7 this way

 

[stefaniied]

#7's with the line through it is or used to be also common in certain parts of Canada
source: me - I live here and was taught it in grade school
so there's that Canadian connection again ...

Yep, I’m from Quebec and always wrote my 7 this way

Edit : I have no idea why this was posted twice lmao sorry