NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #8

[scandi]

I think what you all are referring to is the interview given by Shannan's sister at HereWomenTalk.com wherein she gives the doctor's name as being on the 911 tape. She discusses the call he made to Shannan's mother claiming he kept Shannan overnight at his treatment center and she discusses how Shannan's two sisters went to Mr. Hyde's house to confront him, at which time he denied ever making the call.

I just listened to the interview w/ Sherre again starting at 27.17 min into the radio program. They have removed where Sherre talks about the 911 call and states Shannan gave his name on that tape. I did listen to it as I assume you did too Redbird.

About the My Hyde confrontation, she says she thinks he was denying Shannan's mom's recollection of what he said to her and didn't deny making the call. He said if he had said that to her mom he would remember saying it. :crazy:

 

[scandi]

we just truly don't know what transpired at Brewer's home...

but from the various accounts of Gilbert's behavior...it sort of reminds me of the LSD "trips" of the 70's....I still believe she was drugged there.

Hi MrsPC, In that HWT tape Sherre in fact says the family believe Shannan had been drugged by someone. She was incoherent on the phone and hard to understand. She says that nothing like this had ever happened to Shannan before. To run screaming and going from house to house was totally out of character for her.

 

[Chanler]

We have been over this territory some pages back with links provided and I am too tired to find more links again. What I said and provided links for was that in about the first two weeks of the media reporting the family had not heard the tapes. Then it was later reported that they were allowed to hear the tapes. So there is not really a contradiction, just an update.

Hi, Redbird, I haven't seen those links, but don't trouble yourself by searching. At least one of the interviews in which they said they didn't hear the interviews was released after the ones in which they assert they did. On December 14th, there seem to be no stories or news shows that said they had heard the 911 tape. On December 15th, there are media accounts that indicate that they have and they have not.

 

[Topcat]

what about the 15 minute car ride JB and SG took. 15 min. in OB do not get you far . Is it possible he went to a local drug connection in OB and then returned? Is it possible the SG was running and ended up at that house?

 

[Redbird]

I believe SG was truly in a terrifying situation and I think it is very unfair to dismiss her behavior with comments about paranoia, LSD, bipolar etc. I am not manic depressive, not on drugs, but when that guy was coming thru my window I was so scared I was trying to carry the phone and a heavy flashlight into the bathroom and make sure both doors to the bathroom were locked (as the operator was reminding me to do, that I dropped the flashlight on my toe and broke it. My heart is pounding now, just thinking about it. And no he is still out there and I still spend sleepless nights and jump at every sound.

 

[relay]

I just listened to the interview w/ Sherre again starting at 27.17 min into the radio program. They have removed where Sherre talks about the 911 call and states Shannan gave his name on that tape. I did listen to it as I assume you did too Redbird.

About the My Hyde confrontation, she says she thinks he was denying Shannan's mom's recollection of what he said to her and didn't deny making the call. He said if he had said that to her mom he would remember saying it. :crazy:

Really? Is it a fact that a portion of the taped interview whereby Sherre states that Shannan named whom she was afraid of was cut? If that is true it seems it might be significant.

 

[Chanler]

disclaimer in that article:

Portions of some accounts by witnesses have been corroborated by sources familiar with the probe, while others could not be independently confirmed.

Hi, MrsPC, in regard to whether Brewer went outside to get the driver, the corroboration was already at hand: The driver was interviewed for the article. I think that it had been stated in previous articles too that he had parked at the gate.

 

[scandi]

Where does it mention the doctor?

It was in the HWT interview with Sherre when both Redbird and I first heard it which would have been the first week of April {dating it by WS posts}.

The ABC article I posted above says: " . . . Gilbert's family did not hear the 911 calls themselves, but say detectives told them about it and that Shannon, who was working as a prostitute, named her attacker."

Sherre stated 'Mr Hyde' as being named by Shannan on the 911 call {since removed from that radiocast}. And knowing that it is why Sherre and her other sister went to visit Mr Hyde when they went to Oak Beach ~ that together with the calls made to their mother where the same man's name was given.

 

[marie-chantal]

I believe SG was truly in a terrifying situation and I think it is very unfair to dismiss her behavior with comments about paranoia, LSD, bipolar etc. I am not manic depressive, not on drugs, but when that guy was coming thru my window I was so scared I was trying to carry the phone and a heavy flashlight into the bathroom and make sure both doors to the bathroom were locked (as the operator was reminding me to do, that I dropped the flashlight on my toe and broke it. My heart is pounding now, just thinking about it. And no he is still out there and I still spend sleepless nights and jump at every sound.

I am so sorry that you had to go through something like that, Redbird. I'm glad that the criminal didn't get in. I hope they caught him.

I agree with you about SG's behavior. By all accounts of those who heard her phone call, she was truly terrified.

 

[scandi]

Really? Is it a fact that a portion of the taped interview whereby Sherry states that Shannan named whom she was afraid of was cut? If that is true it seems it might be significant.

I heard the tape first in early April and it included info on the 911 call which it does not now where Sherre said his name as given by Shannan. Redbird must have heard it too to post what she did before I even re-listened to the tape this afternoon.

Other than our word I would have to email HWT.

 

[Chanler]

I believe SG was truly in a terrifying situation and I think it is very unfair to dismiss her behavior with comments about paranoia, LSD, bipolar etc. I am not manic depressive, not on drugs, but when that guy was coming thru my window I was so scared I was trying to carry the phone and a heavy flashlight into the bathroom and make sure both doors to the bathroom were locked (as the operator was reminding me to do, that I dropped the flashlight on my toe and broke it. My heart is pounding now, just thinking about it. And no he is still out there and I still spend sleepless nights and jump at every sound.

Hi, Redbird. That incident sounds authentically horrifying and it obviously left a terrifying residue. But it shows that terror doesn't always require something present and if something like that imagined terror can happen to some one rational and drug-free as yourself, would it not be more likely to happen to some one like Shannan, that is, some one who has problems sometimes related to panic attacks and paranoia; some one who is bipolar but like taking her bipolar medication, but who have problems with cocaine and prescription drugs? If she felt in the same kind of immediate danger in the house that you did, why did she not leave immediately when the driver arrived? Honestly, I don't think that we're being fair to her or the case if we ignore her condition that night or her personal history.

 

[relay]

I heard the tape first in early April and it included info on the 911 call which it does not now where Sherre said his name as given by Shannan. Redbird must have heard it too to post what she did before I even re-listened to the tape this afternoon.

Other than our word I would have to email HWT.

Wow! Thanks so much, scandi! There has been so much said and written about Shannan, the Long Island Serial Killer, the various missing women and so forth, but just this portion was removed.

On a different note, I believe there may be three or four killers who may have killed separately. However, I can't get passed the fact that Shannan, who is similar in age and lifestyle to the four murdered women found in burlap had key things in common with them like using craigslist to find customers. I think that if Shannan was killed I would suspect that whomever killed the other four young women might have killed her, too.

 

[Redbird]

I definitely heard it. It was quite lengthy. They must be worried about lawsuits. I don't know why we are arguing about the gate, oh, yeah, whether JB left his house or not. I have not heard that before. There is an interview with a neighbor across the street that mentions MP's SUV parked in front of JB's house.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...rompts-Safety-Tips-For-Escorts-119667424.html

(Third picture down) Titled: Shannan Gilbert's Disappearance: A Timeline.

 

[scandi]

This is a fine point, and I think you are right, Chanler, or is Scandi right? I only listened to the tape once and I thought she did not actually say the doctor was the person named on the tape, but she was talking about the fact that a person had been named and then she immediately started talking about the doctor, so that it would be easy to think it was the doctor that was named. But if you have listened to it more closely Scandi I would love to hear that she actually named the doctor as the person.

It was right before the break on the show where Dottie the hostess asked Sherre about the 911 call and I could hear a difference in the sound, remembering that is where Sherre said his name for the first time. When she said his name she was talking a bit faster and even tho I heard his name and had not heard it said before, it was the same name of Mr Hyde that she later referred to when she spoke of going to visit him. That discussion about the visit happened about 10 min later in the tape.

I did post a link where it is stated Shannan named her attacker on the 911 call.



ETA: I thought this was well put by Chemcopout of WS on April 7th"

" . . . "Shannon Gilbert's family believe police know the identity of the man she was running from on that night 8 months ago, and now hope that the 911 call will help solve this case."

i doubt that this is a mistake by the media. abc news is a good channel. the family is counting on the 911 call to help solve shannon's case. they state that, the context of the paragraphs regarding the 911 call all make sense. the whole article is a good one.

she named her attacker, she ran from a truck, well was the truck the suv the asian driver had or jb...?
imo, the 911 call is very important and thats why its not been released, le could make a ton of money selling that to the media, yet they won't release it.
there's importance in that 911 call. between that and the odd way the driver was "looking" for shannon. gc mentions it himself in that video. the driver crawled up, stopped, door opens, looks around, repeat pattern. it's not like he was calling out for shannon. gc actually had to stop the driver and ask if he could help him".

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...rbs&id=7843812

 

[Reannan]

what about the 15 minute car ride JB and SG took. 15 min. in OB do not get you far . Is it possible he went to a local drug connection in OB and then returned? Is it possible the SG was running and ended up at that house?

I can certainly see a situation where SG ran to the house that she and JB had gone to earlier in the night to purchase drugs. LE needs to be investigating that angle. I assume they know where it was and have the dealer under surveillance. Redbird! Hugs to you my friend!!! How terrifying the ordeal you went through! I am glad you are OK. Slightly Off Topic, but I have practiced "home invasion/intruder" drills with my family, and they are very helpful. I had a security alarm go off one night due to a wind storm, and my family and I went into "drill" mode. I was standing at the top of my stairs with my 9mm drawn waiting on the intruder to come into range. I was actually prepared to tell him/her to "STOP!!!", and if they did not immediately respond, I was ready to deal with it. It was scary as all get out, but it was amazing how much the "drills" had helped! I highly recommend doing this with your family. Redbird, for you, this may be too soon, but once you recover, there is nothing in the world like feeling familiar with and in control of a bad situation. Sort of like the fire drills people do at work.... Glad you are OK, and I have enjoyed your post here at WS's tremendously! I am glad you are a part of us....

 

[Chanler]

It was in the HWT interview with Sherre when both Redbird and I first heard it which would have been the first week of April {dating it by WS posts}.

The ABC article I posted above says: " . . . Gilbert's family did not hear the 911 calls themselves, but say detectives told them about it and that Shannon, who was working as a prostitute, named her attacker."

Sherre stated 'Mr Hyde' as being named by Shannan on the 911 call {since removed from that radiocast}. And knowing that it is why Sherre and her other sister went to visit Mr Hyde when they went to Oak Beach ~ that together with the calls made to their mother where the same man's name was given.

Hi, Scandi. Thanks for the specificity. Now let me get this straight: Was this "Mr. Hyde" identical with the Dr. H. whose name has mentioned here and who Sherre and her sister visited? And if so, why would the caller identify himself to Mrs. Gilbert even as he tried to falsely reassure her? To me, it seems more like a blurry statement by Sherre than a revealing clue.

 

[susan1122]

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/long_island&id=8122129



I did notice that Jimmy was 5'10" though and the Doe is 5'6" if I recall correctly.

He may have been 5'8". I think that is what I read. He was also the only Asian male missing on LI. But, obviously, we know he didn't have to be from LI.

I'll try to find the link.

Here it is.....he was 5'8", it says. Maybe there is a discrepancy in height....

http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/05/09/jessica-taylor-identified-as-skull-on-ocean-parkway/

 

[KAYTOM]

Strange as it may seem, it is entirely possible that 4 different killers chose the same stretch of road as a dump site. L.I. has 8 million and is heavily developed. There just aren’t that many obvious spots.

JT, the Jane Doe from Marionville and the Jane Doe from Hemsted State Park are probably related. The MO of disposal is unusual and very similar. The fact that a rigorous attempt was made to prevent identity suggest these are a little different from most SK's of prostitutes are because usually, there is no attempt to prevent identity. Like the GB4 situation, there is usually nothing to link the John to the victim. This sort of effort would be most consistent with the killer and victim having strong ties; like a pimp, possibly. JT was identified, but it took a while and this delay could have allowed the trail to grow cold.
My guess is the two Jane Does are not from the NYC area and like JT; they probably had broken ties with their families and were probably more "street-walker” type hookers than the GB4. That might explain why they aren’t on any missing person site.

One thought I had is that it is the same SK and he went to the trouble of making it harder to identify because he picked them up off the street where there could have been witnesses or more cameras.

Maybe the use of the internet to hunt is just another refinement in his technique like the switch to burlap, the new disposal method and his growing collection on Ocean parkway.

The fact that 2 of the burlap victims were picked up outside on the street and kept intact might have more to do with the the locations where they were picked up - deserted industrial park in Happauge and quiet neighborhood at 10 pm on a tuesday night.

Just Ideas.

 

[relay]

He may have been 5'8". I think that is what I read. He was also the only Asian male missing on LI. But, obviously, we know he didn't have to be from LI.

I'll try to fing the link.

Here it states that Jimmy is 5' 10".

http://footprintsattheriversedge.blogspot.com/1998_08_01_archive.html

 

[KAYTOM]

Hi, Scandi. Thanks for the specificity. Now let me get this straight: Was this "Mr. Hyde" identical with the Dr. H. whose name has mentioned here and who Sherre and her sister visited? And if so, why would the caller identify himself to Mrs. Gilbert even as he tried to falsely reassure her? To me, it seems more like a blurry statement by Sherre than a revealing clue.

I don't fully trust some of these statements either. Its probably not ill-intentioned, but rather a case of trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

One thought is that shannon yelled out the name pete or charlie which are very common names and after the weird phone call from the "doctor" they falsely put two and two together.