GUILTY OH - Toledo, WhtMale, 2 months, UP17671, May '17 & Baby Jane Doe, Feb '20 - found in cars *arrests*

[Legally Bland]

A second dead infant was discovered inside a vehicle registered to Jacob Cisneros, a man already charged with involuntary manslaughter in the death of his infant son.

A coroner's report on Tuesday said the baby's body was mummified and was full term. Identification and further investigation are still pending, according to Lucas County Deputy Coroner Cynthia S. Beisser. The girl, described as Jane Doe, was a white female, according to Toledo Police Lt. Daniel Gerken.

[...]

On Feb. 7, Jacob Cisneros' vehicle was towed to the Toledo police impound lot as part of the ongoing death investigation from 2017, when the remains of his son - Baby Doe - were found inside a different vehicle.

On Monday, a search warrant on the car was executed, and the second deceased baby was located.

Remains of dead baby girl discovered in car registered to Baby Doe's father

 

[UnlicensedPI]

As sad and horrifying as it is, I definitely have questions. What was the time period between Baby John and Baby Jane? Did the couple ever seek services such as termination or adoption? Are they using birth control? Did family, friends, etc. know they were expecting? What did they tell those who knew about what happened to the babies? How many times has this happened and why did it happen more than once (I'd say "even once" but we know from other cases it usually happens out of desperation)? Do they know about safe havens?

 

[ChatteringBirds]

I wanted to highlight a few quotes from an article that may illuminate the situation:

"Investigators contend statements made by the defendants indicate that no one else would have cared for the child during that time frame, according to court records."

"“We still need to know the name of the baby,” Lieutenant Gerken said. “We’re still trying to figure out where that baby was born..."

"The lieutenant could not recall who owned the vehicle the infant was found in. He said the home where the vehicle was found belonged to relatives of the couple."

Toledo couple charged in baby's 2017 death; investigators seeking information

So it sounds like the couple is being cooperative but not giving the name of the baby or where it was born. Home birth/no name? We know the baby was up to two months old, but that means anywhere from a newborn to 2mo. Did anyone (the couple included) even know she was pregnant? It sounds like they were overwhelmed and tried to get relatives to take it in, if they made statements saying no one would.

IMO, I think the fact that they left the baby at the home of relatives is of massive importance. It sounds like they thought the baby would be found in time. Sorry to be graphic but if the baby was close enough to smell when it was dead, maybe the couple thought it was close enough to hear when alive.

Just my theory to fit the currently released facts.

You realize even if your theory is true, it's still homicide, right?
There's always the option of asking a responsible relative to babysit while you "go to a doctor's appointment" and then taking off, knowing the baby is cared-for.

 

[UnlicensedPI]

You realize even if your theory is true, it's still homicide, right?
There's always the option of asking a responsible relative to babysit while you "go to a doctor's appointment" and then taking off, knowing the baby is cared-for.

I'm not arguing that it's homicide? Just whether the death of the baby was intended.

They have three other living children. Taking off doesn't sound like an option for them.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

I'm not arguing that it's homicide? Just whether the death of the baby was intended.

They have three other living children. Taking off doesn't sound like an option for them.

Did you see the new information above from today?

 

[UnlicensedPI]

Did you see the new information above from today?

Yeah, I did

 

[Niner]

Unbelievable.... another baby....

Anyone have info on what happened at Jenna's court hearing yesterday? TIA!

 

[iulia]

Unbelievable.... another baby....

Anyone have info on what happened at Jenna's court hearing yesterday? TIA!

Police: Second deceased baby found in car registered to Cisneros

They were arraigned Feb. 4 in Toledo Municipal Court, and they remain in the Lucas County Jail in lieu of a $500,000 bond each. Their preliminary hearings in municipal court Tuesday were continued to Thursday. As of Tuesday afternoon, court records did not show any new charges for either of the Cisneroses.

 

[Niner]

Thank you @iulia - much appreciated So they both are in court Thursday then.

Shoot - tried to read the article - and my "free" articles are up....

 

[PayrollNerd]

If they couldn't find a cause of death, does that means the body was skeletal and no tissue was available? Why would they call it decomposing remains then? I'm not sure how to interpret that.

Snips from the link:
Mr. Cisneros, 33, and his wife, Jenna Cisneros, 34, both of the 300 block of South Reynolds Road in South Toledo, were arrested Feb. 3 and are charged with involuntary manslaughter, a first-degree felony, and endangering children, a third-degree felony, in connection to the first infant found.

They were arraigned Feb. 4 in Toledo Municipal Court, and they remain in the Lucas County Jail in lieu of a $500,000 bond each. Their preliminary hearings in municipal court Tuesday were continued to Thursday. As of Tuesday afternoon, court records did not show any new charges for either of the Cisneroses.

Police were not able to identify the boy, believed to be 2 months old or younger at the time of his death. There were no signs of trauma on the body, according to the Lucas County Coroner's Office.

Dr. Diane Scala-Barnett, the coroner, said that no anatomical or toxicological cause of death was found in the decomposing remains. The boy was dressed in newborn-sized clothes, Dr. Barnett said.

 

[PayrollNerd]

Case Information - Toledo Clerk of Court || Vallie Bowman-English
CRA-20-01332-0102 CISNEROS, JENNA NICOLE

02/11/2020 Defendant present with public defender. JUDGE HOWE
02/11/2020 Bond continued. JUDGE HOWE
02/11/2020 At request of the Prosecutor, preliminary hearing set for 02/13/2020 09:00 in courtroom 3. Clerk to notify Officer/Complainant. JUDGE HOWE View Scanned Document
02/11/2020 Defendant objects. JUDGE HOWE

Clip of "View Scanned Document"

 

[PayrollNerd]

Case Information - Toledo Clerk of Court || Vallie Bowman-English
CRA-20-01331-0102 CISNEROS, JACOB A

02/11/2020 Defendant present with attorney PETER BOYER, #0058722. JUDGE HOWE
02/11/2020 Bond continued. JUDGE HOWE
02/11/2020 At request of the Prosecutor, preliminary hearing set for 02/13/2020 09:00 in courtroom 3. Clerk to notify Officer/Complainant. JUDGE HOWE "View Scanned Document"
02/11/2020 Defendant objects. JUDGE HOWE
02/12/2020 Witness payment voucher given to PAUL MARCHYOK. Clerk entry
02/12/2020 Witness payment voucher given to PAUL MARCHYOK. Clerk entry
02/12/2020 Witness payment voucher given to PAUL MARCHYOK. Clerk entry
02/12/2020 Witness payment voucher given to PAUL MARCHYOK. Clerk entry

Clip of "View Scanned Document"

 

[Niner]

Thursday, February 13th:
*Preliminary Hearing for both (@ am ET) – OH – Baby Boy Doe (2 mos. or younger) (found May 11, 2017 decomposing in a 1988 Ford Mustang, South Toledo) – *Jenna N. Cisneros (34) & *Jacob A. Cisneros (33) arrested & charged (2/3/20) & arraigned (2/4/20) with involuntary 1t degree manslaughter & endangering children. $400K bond for each.
The Cisneroses were identified after the baby’s DNA was recently submitted to AdvanceDNA, a private company that specializes in forensic genealogy. Three other children who are now in the care of other family members and that Lucas County Children’s Services is involved. The home where the vehicle was found belonged to relatives of the couple.
2/4/20 Update: Both were arraigned. Bond set at $500K each. Jacob back on 2/5/20 related to retaining an attorney. Judge Wagner appointed a public defender for Jenna. She has a preliminary hearing on 2/11/20. 2/11/20 Update: Today’s hearing was cancelled. Next for both is preliminary hearing on 2/13/20.
2/12/20 Update: A second infant has been found in another vehicle registered to Jacob Cisneros, according to Toledo police. The car had been towed to the Toledo police impound lot in connection with the investigation, which dates back to 2017. After obtaining a search warrant, police searched the vehicle on Monday and found the body of a baby girl. According to the Lucas County Coroner’s Office, the infant (Jane Doe), who has not yet been identified, was full-term and “mummified.”

 

[Niner]

Oh dang.... @PayrollNerd - can't access that link you provided on Jenna's court dates. Looks like I'll have to rely on you to look these up for me.... is that okay??

 

[PayrollNerd]

Oh dang.... @PayrollNerd - can't access that link you provided on Jenna's court dates. Looks like I'll have to rely on you to look these up for me.... is that okay??

Sure. I went under each of their names and copied what I saw. I’ll check this evening to see if it changes.

 

[Niner]

@PayrollNerd - you are up late OR up early!!

And thank you for helping me on this case - MUCH appreciated!

 

[PayrollNerd]

@PayrollNerd - you are up late OR up early!!

And thank you for helping me on this case - MUCH appreciated!

Couldn’t get to sleep, finally slept for 4 hours, now can’t get back to sleep.

 

[PayrollNerd]

Case Information - Toledo Clerk of Court || Vallie Bowman-English

CISNEROS, JENNA NICOLE
Two listings, two different charges, same note for each.

CRA-20-01332-0102 CISNEROS, JENNA NICOLE
INVOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER RESULT OF FELONY
02/13/2020 Nolle prosequi entered / indictment. JUDGE HOWE

CRA-20-01332-0202 CISNEROS, JENNA NICOLE
ENDANGERING CHILDREN CREATE SUBSTANTIAL RISK TO THE HEALTH OR SAFETY
02/13/2020 Nolle prosequi entered / indictment. JUDGE HOWE

 

[PayrollNerd]

Case Information - Toledo Clerk of Court || Vallie Bowman-English

CISNEROS, JACOB A
Two listings, two different charges, same note for each.

CRA-20-01331-0102 CISNEROS, JACOB A
INVOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER RESULT OF FELONY
02/13/2020 Nolle prosequi entered / indictment. JUDGE HOWE

CRA-20-01331-0202 CISNEROS, JACOB A
ENDANGERING CHILDREN CREATE SUBSTANTIAL RISK TO THE HEALTH OR SAFETY
02/13/2020 Nolle prosequi entered / indictment. JUDGE HOWE

 

[UnlicensedPI]

Case Information - Toledo Clerk of Court || Vallie Bowman-English

CISNEROS, JENNA NICOLE
Two listings, two different charges, same note for each.

CRA-20-01332-0102 CISNEROS, JENNA NICOLE
INVOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER RESULT OF FELONY
02/13/2020 Nolle prosequi entered / indictment. JUDGE HOWE

CRA-20-01332-0202 CISNEROS, JENNA NICOLE
ENDANGERING CHILDREN CREATE SUBSTANTIAL RISK TO THE HEALTH OR SAFETY
02/13/2020 Nolle prosequi entered / indictment. JUDGE HOWE

Oh that's super interesting. Nolle prosequi means "will no longer prosecute"/dismissal of the charges. I'm curious about whether they're going to be charged more harshly or released with no further charges.