Two killings, two arsons, same day, same killer?
Here's what else the two killings on the same day last year have in common: a middle-aged male victim, remote locations in southern Oregon, and crime scenes marred by fire. The similarities in the deaths of David E. Lewis and...www.oregonlive.com
Two killings and arsons on the same day ?
Sleuth, what do you mean “no confusion”? There may be confusion in some of your posts..
Sleuth, I see no reason why, as you suggest, “Dave’s website can’t be morphed into a more generic Justice website”, though I don’t think that will help solve Dave’s murder.What if the Keno Cabin fire was set after Dave was killed ? He was already murdered, as was Troy, but the deaths very close in timeline?
We can unequivocally say Dave's website, had nothing to do with these murders. Not as a distraction or crazy... or redherring nonsense. Why couldn't Dave's website morph into a justice website? Children were being harmed and molested in the town. Internet was being hacked. There were unlawful actions being taken in the state. Many were thankful they had a place to reach-out and tell their truths. Speaking truth for victims. A good thing.
For Dave, a hired killer and/or local men ? We think more than one. We think firefighters saw and heard information... were they ever interviewed?
Posts of Mrs.Lewis' death / suicide, ws here, was uncalled for and in veryvpoor style. Dave's mom, loved her son, extremely, and didn't like what had happened in his own personal life, with who his children were being raised by. (Neither by mother or step parent.) Both Dave's parents were very outspoken about this bad situation ( but, that's what happened) and supported his court effort to gain custody. And to clear any negative concepts of Dave, because he (stupidly) grew pot, on Federal land, which he forever regretted. As the local in town said,
" He was a great guy." David Lewis was a good man. His family misses him terribly. He was an Irishtwin.
It is unfortunate that more information isn't being shared about why Troy was in town... that would clearly have impact and vigor on solving these horrible crimes.
We are all-for circumstantial evidence to be gathered and killers ( and the people in their orbit who covered up) to be prosecuted.
Dave lived peacefully for nearly 25 years... and then was murdered and body burned!!!
Unfathomable !!! Sickening! Killers are free and we honestly believe " locals" have information and knowledge.
The FBI are here for David Grubbs' cold case.
Please: Hope and pray ( and work ) towards arrests in Dave and Troy Carney's murder.
TY @Lilibet
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Although I feel certain I read it somewhere, at this time I cannot find a linkable source for my statement that the weapon used in both DL’s and TDC’s murders was a 9mm. It may have been something I read while researching Garren Beller’s disappearance in Nov. ‘09 - but I can’t find it in his thread either. Perhaps it was not on WS. I apologize to all for not providing a link to begin with.
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There is an entire involvement of DA Heckert.
Although I feel certain I read it somewhere, at this time I cannot find a linkable source for my statement that the weapon used in both DL’s and TDC’s murders was a 9mm. It may have been something I read while researching Garren Beller’s disappearance in Nov. ‘09 - but I can’t find it in his thread either. Perhaps it was not on WS. I apologize to all for not providing a link to begin with.
LE has stated however that “The bullet that killed Mr. Carney and the one that killed Mr. Lewis are similar, but the ballistics don’t match.”
To me, this statement means three things: 1.) LE found either bullets or casings or both at respective crime scenes, 2.) the caliber of weapon (size of cartridge/bullet) was likely the same, and that 3.) the “type” of weapon (if handgun, which I think is most likely) was probably the same (by this I mean semi-auto vs. revolver - as a revolver would not eject casings).
Unsolved homicide plagues investigators six years later - KOBI-TV NBC5 / KOTI-TV NBC2
Medford, Ore. — September 4, 2008 an Ashland man was killed inside him home that burned down. Now six years later Jackson County Sheriff’s investigators are still trying to connect the dots. “It’s an ongoing investigation. It’s a giant puzzle we’re trying. We’ve talked to hundreds if not dozens...
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There was a man, who was known on the mtn. as a pyro, since childhood, he somehow rationalizes his actions. We believe he should be polygraphed. ( sidebar: He called police after another arson fire where he, " got stuck in the driveway, but was only there because he saw the smoke." Dave was alive then and said plenty about that, calling it a lie."
IMO JMOAlthough I feel certain I read it somewhere, at this time I cannot find a linkable source for my statement that the weapon used in both DL’s and TDC’s murders was a 9mm. It may have been something I read while researching Garren Beller’s disappearance in Nov. ‘09 - but I can’t find it in his thread either. Perhaps it was not on WS. I apologize to all for not providing a link to begin with.
LE has stated however that “The bullet that killed Mr. Carney and the one that killed Mr. Lewis are similar, but the ballistics don’t match.”
To me, this statement means three things: 1.) LE found either bullets or casings or both at respective crime scenes, 2.) the caliber of weapon (size of cartridge/bullet) was likely the same, and that 3.) the “type” of weapon (if handgun, which I think is most likely) was probably the same (by this I mean semi-auto vs. revolver - as a revolver would not eject casings).
Unsolved homicide plagues investigators six years later - KOBI-TV NBC5 / KOTI-TV NBC2
Medford, Ore. — September 4, 2008 an Ashland man was killed inside him home that burned down. Now six years later Jackson County Sheriff’s investigators are still trying to connect the dots. “It’s an ongoing investigation. It’s a giant puzzle we’re trying. We’ve talked to hundreds if not dozens...
All jmo
This is all good information to know.So, in the spirit of “posting what we know,” I’m reposting what I posted in response to a request by @Sleuth2010 for my point of view.
Can we add facts we know to this list, questions the facts bring to mind and the conclusions we can draw from these facts?
OR - OR - David 'Dave' Lewis, 46, Ashland, 4 September 2008
Dotta you hold a lot of cards and chips. Please answer the multi questions too!!! You are a smart cookie with good insight. WS regulars... there is a group of detectives, who work only with circumstantial evidence ( ie: no physical body, but still get convictions) That's where these...
—Dave ran errands in town that day. (Who did he see? Any altercations? Was he expecting company?)
—There is a locked gate at the bottom of his rutted driveway. (Did his killer walk in? Was his gate locked or unlocked when firefighters arrived?)
—His body was found in a bedroom. (Was he in bed? asleep? Is that where an argument took place?)
—He was shot in the head. (Did he see it coming or not?)
—It’s likely Dave did not own a gun because of his felony conviction.
—He had smoke in his lungs, so he was alive when the fire started.
—Another fire was started later about 6 miles up the road, but reported first. (Was there evidence in that cabin?)
There’s probably more that I know, but that’s all that comes to mind right now.
With those facts in mind, here are my vague thoughts that are all over the place…
—His murder or the confrontation that led to his murder was planned. This was not random.
—Dave knew his killer and his killer was familiar with Dave’s place.
—It’s possible Dave expected this person and it was a friendly visit that turned ugly.
—If the visitor wasn’t expected they had the ability to approach stealthily, on foot, at a time Dave was likely to be asleep.
—For the killer to start the second fire 6 miles away, they had to have had a vehicle and fuel for the fire, or an accomplice.
—If the killer took a vehicle to Dave’s place, they were expected, in order for the gate to be unlocked. Otherwise, they left it on DIMR nearby and walked in.
—The motive could have been to silence him, get revenge or to steal something of value.
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