Penn State Sandusky scandal: AD arrested, Paterno, Spanier fired; coverup charged #4

[J. J. in Phila]

Won't the rapes take care of that problem also? Getting his name on the Megan's Law list is the least of his problems and my hopes...he needs to go to PRISON for a long time!

You mention 5 witnesses, but we know that at least 10 others have come forward, plus the 2 children, one his own grandchild...and the investigation continues....

That is just Victim 6 (1998), where he admitted the activity.

The charges relating to Victim 1 and Victim 6 are the strongest; some of the others are quite weak.

 

[Reader]

http://news.yahoo.com/government-begins-penn-state-abuse-scandal-probe-180631650.html

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Investigators from the Department of Education arrived at Penn State University on Monday to review how it handled sex abuse charges against a former football coach, the school said.

Department representatives will see if Penn State met federal crime-reporting requirements over allegations that former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky molested eight boys over a 15-year period.
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Under the Clery Act, colleges and universities that take part in federal aid programs must keep and disclose information about crimes that take place on campus.
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Penn State also faces a raft of other investigations, including by its trustees and the National Collegiate Athletic Association. Pennsylvania's attorney general has said her probe is still open.

The Department of Education had told Penn State on November 9 that it would investigate its compliance with the Clery Act.

The department can impose civil penalties for infractions of the act and can suspend schools from taking part in federal student financial aid programs.

This ought to shine a light on what was going on!

 

[Kimster]

Reminder: You can disagree with the post, but don't attack the poster.

This reminder lands at random.

 

[Reader]

Pedophiles and secrecy:
http://www.abusewatch.net/child_thesecret.php
http://ezinearticles.com/?Pedophile--Characteristics-and-Behavior-Patterns&id=262990
http://www.mental-health-matters.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=519
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...01108/how-errors-in-thinking-apply-pedophiles
http://www.child-safety-for-parents.com/profile-of-a-pedophile.html

Sociopaths and thrill-seeking behavior:
http://www.psych.ucsb.edu/~kopeikin/103lec7.htm

Please review the times that Sandusky was seen molesting/raping children. They were in the evening and not during the busy time of the day in the locker room. He needed the locker room as his ruse and the fact that he was in a place where he might be caught is thrill-seeking behavior of a sociopath. Look it up.

Right, except for when he was doing the same in his own house and visiting the kids at their schools for 'wrestling' lessons. He also openly brought children with him to games, practices, and other events of the football team.
A lot of people were raising eyebrows but were afraid of him and his backers.

 

[Reader]

That is just Victim 6 (1998), where he admitted the activity.

The charges relating to Victim 1 and Victim 6 are the strongest; some of the others are quite weak.

That's from the GJ report only but there are now 12 new cases being investigated and and I personally believe there will be more felony rape charges before it's over, but I could be wrong....

 

[Pensfan]

Right, except for when he was doing the same in his own house and visiting the kids at their schools for 'wrestling' lessons. He also openly brought children with him to games, practices, and other events of the football team.
A lot of people were raising eyebrows but were afraid of him and his backers.

I would like to read that. Would you find it again and post it? TIA. I only read about one jr or sr high school coach who caught him on the wrestling mat with a boy and thought it was odd. This coach didn't bother to do anything with that info. either.

 

[ThoughtFox]

This is a great video of Vinnie Politan taking a tour of Sandusky's neighborhood. I hadn't seen this before.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gYPgrRDPbo"]Inside Jerry Sandusky's neighborhood - YouTube[/ame]​

Sandusky had a view of the playground from his deck, his back yard, and every back window of his house. *shudder*

Politan makes the point that the school was there when Sandusky purchased the house, so he knew exactly what he was doing.

Also, he says that 75% of the parents of kids who go to that school are associated somehow with Penn State. I think that means they wouldn't suspect Jerry for a minute, and if they saw him out in his backyard watching the kids it wouldn't raise any red flags at all.

 

[FloatingStar]

http://news.yahoo.com/government-begins-penn-state-abuse-scandal-probe-180631650.htmlWASHINGTON (Reuters) - Investigators from the Department of Education arrived at Penn State University on Monday to review how it handled sex abuse charges against a former football coach, the school said.

Uh oh. Penn State might be in deep doo doo...

 

[Reader]

Good move...get it all out in the sunshine!

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16272947/

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Penn State said Monday student government leaders and high-ranking administrators will participate in a town hall forum for students about the child sex abuse scandal that has engulfed the university.
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The student forum, planned for Wednesday at Heritage Hall on the University Park main campus, will be restricted to students who obtained tickets ahead of time by showing valid Penn State IDs. It will be broadcast by the Pennsylvania Cable Network and streamed over the Internet. Viewing areas also are being established at all of Penn State's other campuses.

Erickson and two student government leaders will make introductory remarks, and other participants include several university vice presidents. The moderators are sociology lecturers Sam Richards and Laurie Mulvey. Space for two dozen reporters will be provided at the rear of the hall, but the reporters will not be allowed to ask questions.
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The school also plans three forums for students that will be run by its counseling and psychological services center: the first on Tuesday and Thursday this week, and the last on Dec. 7. Potential topics include the criminal allegations, Penn State's image, the reactions of others to the scandal and stress.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

That's from the GJ report only but there are now 12 new cases being investigated and and I personally believe there will be more felony rape charges before it's over, but I could be wrong....

I'm just going with what currently looks like the strongest charges.

 

[Rlaub44]

So now, after your voluminous elaborations of a theory that Sandusky has been a master in deception and secrecy, your new theory is that he is a "thrill-seeking sociopath and enjoyed the thrill of committing a crime in a place where he might be caught." :floorlaugh:

I don't mean to speak for Pensfan, but I do understand where he is coming from in some of his posts. Being a PSU grad, it is very hard to see so many people connected to my school being accused of being evil just based on their proximity to an evil man.

Pensfan has provided several links demonstrating that Penn State has a long history of service to the community and charity involvement. This is not meant to excuse Sandusky's acts, or Paterno's, McQueary's, Spanier's, Schultz's or Raykovitz's inaction. But I don't agree that the entire history of good acts by hundreds of thousands of people is now invalid because we are disgusted with a small group that allowed this to continue. What the victims went through is unconscionable, but I agree with Pensfan that not everybody Sandusky dealt with had to know. Our own Azwriter discussed how Washington, PA is questioning how this could be the same person they thought they knew. I would suggest that many people in the State College area are having those same thoughts.

We all have opinions about what could have been done differently, but we just don't know the truth yet. I don't know any of the players personally, but if I were someone like Sue Paterno, I would hope to be given the respectful benefit of the doubt, not maligned as an entitled woman who protected a predator just based on our hunches.

Just my opinion - everyone here is a wonderful advocate for victims of crime and abuse, and I thank you all for your energy. I just recognize why some of us feel the need to stand up for the Penn State that we know, without being accused of trolling or supporting the <self-snip> responsible. Thanks for listening.:twocents:

 

[Reader]

I'm just going with what currently looks like the strongest charges.

That's great, I appreciate your analysis of the cases....

 

[wfgodot]

I'm just going with what currently looks like the strongest charges.

Congrats on this, your 1,000th WS post, btw!

 

[Reader]

I would like to read that. Would you find it again and post it? TIA. I only read about one jr or sr high school coach who caught him on the wrestling mat with a boy and thought it was odd. This coach didn't bother to do anything with that info. either.

I tried to copy from the GJ report without success, but under Victim 1, go to Steve Turchetta's statement about 'several students who were left alone with Sandusky, including victim 1', and about the arguments he had to mediate between JS and 'various youths' when JS wanted more time with them....

http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf

Thanks to FloatingStar, here is the section about Turchetta and other students:

"Steven Turchetta testified that he was an assistant principal and the head football coach at the high school attended by Victim l. He testified that Sandusky was a volunteer assistant football coach. Sandusky also worked with children in the Second Mile program in that school district. Turchetta described the Second Mile as a very large charitable organization that helped children who are from economically underprivileged backgrounds and who may be living in single parent households. Turchetta first met Sandusky in 2002 when Sandusky attempted to assist some Second Mile members who were on Turchetta&#8217;s football team. Sandusky's involvement grew from there. in the 2008 season, Sandusky was a full-time volunteer coach. Turchetta said it was not unusual for him, as assistant principal, to call a Second Mile student out of activity period at the end of the day, at Sandusky&#8217;s request, to see Sandusky. He knew of several students who were left alone with Sandusky, including Victim l. Turchetta characterized Sandusky as very controlling within the mentoring relationships he established with Second Mile students. Sandusky would often want a greater time commitment than the teenagers were willing to give and Sandusky would have "shouting matches" with various youths, in which Turchetta would sometimes be the mediator. Turchetta would also end up being Sandusky&#8217;s point of contact for a youth whom be had been unable to reach by phone the previous evening. Turchetta testified that Sandusky would be &#8216;*clingy" and even "needy" when a young man broke off the relationship he had established with him and called the behavior "suspicious."

 

[Concerned Papa]

Pedophiles and secrecy:
http://www.abusewatch.net/child_thesecret.php
http://ezinearticles.com/?Pedophile--Characteristics-and-Behavior-Patterns&id=262990
http://www.mental-health-matters.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=519
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...01108/how-errors-in-thinking-apply-pedophiles
http://www.child-safety-for-parents.com/profile-of-a-pedophile.html

Sociopaths and thrill-seeking behavior:
http://www.psych.ucsb.edu/~kopeikin/103lec7.htm

Please review the times that Sandusky was seen molesting/raping children. They were in the evening and not during the busy time of the day in the locker room. He needed the locker room as his ruse and the fact that he was in a place where he might be caught is thrill-seeking behavior of a sociopath. Look it up.

Secretive? For crying out loud, The Creamery even named an ice cream concoction shaped to look like male genitalia after the freak!

There's always more to a story than what is reported. I was told over the weekend by somebody who would know that Jerry Sandusky's behavior was widely known. It was not something that was quietly whispered about.

There was a dessert concoction created called the Sandusky. It was an ice cream cone upside down with two scoops to portray male genitalia.

RUSH: All right, I have a picture here of the Sandusky, the ice cream delight served at Penn State.

So at Penn State, the Penn State Creamery, a hundred different flavors named after famous Penn State figures, one of them Jerry Sandusky who now faces felony charges, sexual abuse against minors. It's a banana flavored desert, ice cream dish, and by reputation, it's the only ice cream dish on the menu where you don't have to ask if you want nuts.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/11/10/what_happy_valley_knew_about_sandusky

I don't need any studies from The National Association Of This, That, Or The Other to explain that!

*wink, wink* *nudge, nudge* :furious:

 

[FloatingStar]

I tried to copy from the GJ report without success

see attached file - it is a Word document of the GJP which you can search, cut, and paste

 

[Reader]

secretive? For crying out loud, the creamery even named an ice cream concoction shaped to look like male genitalia after the freak!



i don't need any studies from the national association of this, that, or the other to explain that!

*wink, wink* *nudge, nudge* :furious:

o.m.g.!

 

[Pensfan]

Secretive? For crying out loud, The Creamery even named an ice cream concoction shaped to look like male genitalia after the freak!



I don't need any studies from The National Association Of This, That, Or The Other to explain that!

*wink, wink* *nudge, nudge* :furious:

I hate to burst your bubble, but that is complete bs. That is not even a Creamery bowl and that has never been an ice cream sundae at the Creamer. Yes, you can get an ice cream in a cone (they only come in one size scoop and that scoop is HUGE). You can get double scoops, but the amount is extremely large. Many people ask for a cup to turn their cone over into it. That is what I have done dozens of times because the amount of ice cream is huge and it starts to melt everywhere if you don't put it in a cup.....and the cups are always white (not blue).

Rush is peeved because Joe Pa donated to Obama. He has been ranting about this for 3 years.

Oh...and another thing that Rush got wrong was the "100 flavors". The Creamer has a limited number of flavors (I'd say about 15-20). They occasionally put in a different flavor. Rush may need to kick the pills AGAIN.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I hate to burst your bubble, but that is complete bs. That is not even a Creamery bowl and that has never been an ice cream sundae at the Creamer. Yes, you can get an ice cream in a cone (they only come in one size scoop and that scoop is HUGE. You can get double scoops, but the amount is extremely large. Many people ask for a cup to turn their cone over into it. That is what I have done dozens of times because the amount of ice cream is huge and it starts to melt everywhere if you don't put it in a cup.....and the cups are always white (not blue).

Rush is peeved because Joe Pa donated to Obama. He has been ranting about this for 3 years.

As far as I know Penn state never pulled anything else of Sanduskys they were selling. As someone pointed out his book Touched was flying off the shelves. I think the reason they pulled that ice cream was because of the flavors and what they meant when it came to anal sex. http://media.pennlive.com/midstate_impact/photo/sandusky-blitz-60cc41acc4353009.jpg Just a little harmless insider joke until he was busted.

 

[Pensfan]

The raping/molesting of children has occurred since the beginning of man. The information on how to IDENTIFY a pedophile is recent. It is recent because studies on pedophiles before the 1980s were extremely rare. Pedophiles began to be studied more frequently in the late 1980s and information on their characteristics was compiled.

A study from 1990 out of the Journal of Clinical Psychology and Psychiatry showed that there was significant underreporting of sexual abuse of boys by both women and men is believed to occur due to sex stereotyping, social denial, the minimization of male victimization, and the relative lack of research on sexual abuse of boys.
http://www.sasian.org/papers/boysngirls.htm

Child sexual abuse became a public issue in the late 1970s and 1980s. Before this time discussing the sexual abuse of children was essentially taboo.

Realize that is was as recently as 1968 that the U.S. states enacted mandatory laws that required physicians to report cases of suspicious child abuse.
http://aspirace.com/courses/data/Child Abuse Assessment and Reporting.pdf