Penn State Sandusky scandal: AD arrested, Paterno, Spanier fired; coverup charged #5

[Concerned Papa]

I guess I'm not sure about how Joe Pa's capacity for hatred changes anything here.

eta: I am also unsure about whether the awfulness of other non-PSU coaches matters.

It changes nothing.

It has no bearing on the present situation involving a child rapist and those who knew, yet failed to protect the children. IMO, it has no more relevance than when the National Championship game rolled around that same 1985 season, Switzer's Oklahoma Sooners won their sixth national title, beating Penn State, 25-10.

Yes, those were ugly, awful times in Norman that forced Switzer out the door and embarrassed an entire state. But the details of what happened then don't make your skin crawl like the never ending news stream flowing these days from Happy Valley.

Ironically, it was Paterno who took aim at Switzer nearly three decades ago. He proclaimed that he wouldn't retire and “leave college football to the Jackie Sherrills and Barry Switzers of the world.” He quickly apologized to Switzer, and the two became friends in the years that followed.

http://newsok.com/penn-state-tragedy-barry-switzer-says-joe-paterno-had-to-go/article/3621872

 

[woodville]

Paterno wrote the forward in Switzer's Book Bootlegger's Boy published in 1990.

 

[ohiogirl]

You know, some of the new victims that have come forth may be the unidentified victims from the GJ report. Just sayin..

 

[J. J. in Phila]

You know, some of the new victims that have come forth may be the unidentified victims from the GJ report. Just sayin..

Possibly, but they have not indicated that a specific victim came forward.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I guess if anything good is to become of JS's alleged crimes, creating awareness and open dialogue about pedophiles, child molesters, etc. would be it!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...dal-led-arrest-alleged-serial-paedophile.html

I cannot express enough admiration for JS's victims for speaking out. Their being proactive has positively made parents more aware about discussing a formerly taboo subject with their children. JMO

wm

 

[Concerned Papa]

Joe Pa hated Barry and Barry hated Joe Pa. The war between them started in 1985 when Joe Paterno said he would never leave the NCAA to coaches like Barry Switzer.

http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=10550339

I don't know about a "war", but Paterno certainly did say that:

Ironically, it was Paterno who took aim at Switzer nearly three decades ago. He proclaimed that he wouldn't retire and “leave college football to the Jackie Sherrills and Barry Switzers of the world.”

http://newsok.com/penn-state-tragedy-barry-switzer-says-joe-paterno-had-to-go/article/3621872

It would seem to be the height of irony that 14 years later, Joe Paterno appears to have said more or less the same thing to his OWN Defensive Cooridinator:

Sandusky spurned opportunities for head coaching positions, including one with the University of Maryland in 1991, in the hope of succeeding Paterno as head coach at Penn State.

http://www.enotes.com/topic/Jerry_Sandusky

According to the grand jury report, one of the victims testified that Paterno summoned Sandusky to his office in May 1999 and "told Sandusky he would not be the next head coach at Penn State."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/12/us/penn-state-scandal/index.html

 

[MaryNo]

You're not alone in your concerns!

The news agencies aren't letting us know where he is, either. But if Casey Anthony, Lindsay Lohan, etc. pass gas it's "Breaking News".

It seems Dec. 13th is the earliest date that we can hope for regarding his being remanded/monitored. It can't come soon enough.

One question: Is Sandusky ankle-monitored yet? If not, why not? You can rest-assured, those without power and connections, would be ankle-monitored. Two systems of treatment and justice alive and thriving.

 

[concentric]

I guess if anything good is to become of JS's alleged crimes, creating awareness and open dialogue about pedophiles, child molesters, etc. would be it!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...dal-led-arrest-alleged-serial-paedophile.html

I cannot express enough admiration for JS's victims for speaking out. Their being proactive has positively made parents more aware about discussing a formerly taboo subject with their children. JMO

wm

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Thank you for that post. My experience has been that few persons want to talk these matters. If you attempt to talk about it, they shut you down.

And, this is what the pervs. want. They want people to dismiss it, which will allow them to continue their deception.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Alleged sex abuse victim files suit against Jerry Sandusky, Penn State and Second Mile


A civil lawsuit is being filed on behalf of a man who claims to be a victim of sexual assault by Jerry Sandusky, a former Penn State assistant football coach. Identified in the suite as John Doe, the man's alleged abuse was not included in the report from the grand jury that investigated Sandusky, who was charged with assaulting eight boys over 15 years.



The complaint, to be filed today in Philadelphia County Court of Common Pleas, names Penn State University, The Second Mile and Sandusky as defendants. The man's attorneys are Jeff Anderson and Marci Hamilton.......................


The man released this statement:

"I am the man in this lawsuit and I’m writing this statement and taking this action because I don’t want other kids to be hurt and abused by Jerry Sandusky or anybody like Penn State to allow people like him to do it—rape kids! I never told anybody what he did to me over 100 times at all kinds of places until the newspapers reported that he had abused other kids and the people at Penn State and Second Mile didn’t do the things they should have to protect me and the other kids. I am hurting and have been for a long time because of what happened but feel now even more tormented that I have learned of so many other kids were abused after me. Now that I have told and done something about it I am feeling better and going to get help and work with the police. I want other people who have been hurt to know they can come forward and get help and help protect others in the future."

In the suit, the man claims that Sandusky threatened to harm him and his family if he told authorities about the assaults.


http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/alleged_sex_abuse_victim_files.html

 

[Pensfan]

It changes nothing.

It has no bearing on the present situation involving a child rapist and those who knew, yet failed to protect the children. IMO, it has no more relevance than when the National Championship game rolled around that same 1985 season, Switzer's Oklahoma Sooners won their sixth national title, beating Penn State, 25-10.

I will spell out what was in the last article I posted.

There were many females that were raped in the Bud Wilkerson football building on OU's main campus by OU football players when Switzer was coach. One of the women I read about was under 16. Some rapes were prosecuted. Some were not. Some women never reported the rapes because they thought nothing would happen and they were very afraid. Please look it up.

Using Barry Switzer's quote to try to prove that everyone must have known about that pedo ex-employee of Penn State is like using John Dillinger to implicate everyone with an association to Jesse James.

In addition, there are hundreds of extremely serious crimes that were committed in the football program when Switzer was coach. To those who have read anything about Switzer, he makes Joe Pa look like Santa Claus. His word is not believable on anything, IMO. (One of my degrees is from OU and I graduated at the time when OU won many national championships.)

 

[SuziQ]

Read the complaint (John Doe A)
http://media.pennlive.com/midstate_impact/other/John Doe A Complaint.pdf

 

[ThoughtFox]

The abuse alleged in the lawsuit began two years before the earliest incident alleged in a state grand jury presentment charging Sandusky with 40 counts of child sexual abuse and focuses on institutional concealment that led to the abuse. It alleges negligence, negligent misrepresentation, intentional misrepresentation and conspiracy to endanger children.

The suit also describes how Sandusky groomed the victim, who he met through The Second Mile, by telling him he was a promising athlete and buying him athletic equipment and taking him to sporting events, a pattern similar to that described in the grand jury presentment.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...y-penn-state-lawsuit-20111130,0,6509988.story

 

[Pensfan]

In the suit, the man claims that Sandusky threatened to harm him and his family if he told authorities about the assaults.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/alleged_sex_abuse_victim_files.html

respectfully shortened
.......and Sandusky just hired a private investigator to locate and prove these (now) men were not raped. :shiver:

 

[Dr.Fessel]

respectfully shortened
.......and Sandusky just hired a private investigator to locate and prove these (now) men were not raped. :shiver:

You can bet Penn State and Second Mile have done the same thing.IMO

 

[Pensfan]

You can bet Penn State and Second Mile have done the same thing.IMO

Yes, but Sandusky physically threatened them.

 

[Concerned Papa]

Alleged sex abuse victim files suit against Jerry Sandusky, Penn State and Second Mile


A civil lawsuit is being filed on behalf of a man who claims to be a victim of sexual assault by Jerry Sandusky, a former Penn State assistant football coach. Identified in the suite as John Doe, the man's alleged abuse was not included in the report from the grand jury that investigated Sandusky, who was charged with assaulting eight boys over 15 years.



The complaint, to be filed today in Philadelphia County Court of Common Pleas, names Penn State University, The Second Mile and Sandusky as defendants. The man's attorneys are Jeff Anderson and Marci Hamilton.......................


The man released this statement:

"I am the man in this lawsuit and I’m writing this statement and taking this action because I don’t want other kids to be hurt and abused by Jerry Sandusky or anybody like Penn State to allow people like him to do it—rape kids! I never told anybody what he did to me over 100 times at all kinds of places until the newspapers reported that he had abused other kids and the people at Penn State and Second Mile didn’t do the things they should have to protect me and the other kids. I am hurting and have been for a long time because of what happened but feel now even more tormented that I have learned of so many other kids were abused after me. Now that I have told and done something about it I am feeling better and going to get help and work with the police. I want other people who have been hurt to know they can come forward and get help and help protect others in the future."

In the suit, the man claims that Sandusky threatened to harm him and his family if he told authorities about the assaults.


http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/alleged_sex_abuse_victim_files.html

That is a chilling document to read, and is likely to be only the first of many.

Sandusky's lawyer can no longer make this claim:

Sandusky's lawyer also claims, "They have other people who are saying they saw something, but they don't have actual people saying, ‘This is what Jerry did to me.'"

http://jezebel.com/5860425/alleged-victim-says-sanduskys-denial-made-him-more-determined-to-testify

This victim is demanding to be able to tell a jury "This is what Jerry did to me".

 

[Emeralgem]

Read the complaint (John Doe A)
http://media.pennlive.com/midstate_impact/other/John Doe A Complaint.pdf

So the molestation of this young man started in 1992... am I correct?


I'm somewhat confused as to WHY the law suit is claiming Sandusky was molesting young boys back in the 70's.. Not that I don't believe that to be the case, but are there any other victims claiming he molested them back in the 70's...

Also, IF this young man was not part of the GJ's list of victims and there are eight listed will he be added to the GJ list? How does that work?

ETA.. BBM..Listed under... FACTS # 17- Page 6.

 

[Pensfan]

Here is a creepy thought. Sandusky may have personal assets to make even a huge bail. One article stated that Sandusky had lived in the same house/neighborhood for decades. The mortgage is likely paid except for the recent $25,000 note he took out when this year likely for his attorney's retainer. Although his home appears modest in its photo, mapquest shows that it sits approx. 8-9 blocks from the State College campus which has thousands of employees and students. Its location dramatically raises its value.

Sandusky also has retirement income coming in from Penn State and perhaps his jobs before Penn State. In addition, after he retired by coaching, he was paid by Second Mile almost $500,000. (I can't find what he made from Second Mile before this time.) With these new charges, hopefully he will be jailed and held without bond because he may have the assets to pay a large one.
http://www.businessinsider.com/jerry-sandusky-salary-2011-11

 

[Pensfan]

So the molestation of this young man started in 1992... am I correct?
I'm somewhat confused as to WHY the law suit is claiming Sandusky was molesting young boys back in the 70's.. Not that I don't believe that to be the case, but are their any other victims claiming he molested them back in the
70's...

Also, IF this young man was not part of the GJ's list of victims and there are eight listed will he be added to the GJ list? How does that work?

The article below states there is one victim that says the abuse started back in the 1970s. Other articles state there may be abuse that started in the 1970s.
http://www.politicaljack.com/forums...ew-prompts-long-ago-victims-to-contact-lawyer

The Patriot News was the first to report that victims went back to the 1970s.
"One of them is a man in his 30s who talked to police earlier this week. He will probably end up testifying before the grand jury, Andreozzi said. At least one has alleged abuse dating back to the 1970s."
The victim in his 30s clearly can't be the victim from the 1970s. I think this post shows that Andreozzi knows of a victim who was molested in the 1970s.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/jerry_sanduskys_victim_four_te.html

 

[Emeralgem]

The article below states there is one victim that says the abuse started back in the 1970s. Other articles state there may be abuse that started in the 1970s.
http://www.politicaljack.com/forums...ew-prompts-long-ago-victims-to-contact-lawyer

The Patriot News was the first to report that victims went back to the 1970s.
"One of them is a man in his 30s who talked to police earlier this week. He will probably end up testifying before the grand jury, Andreozzi said. At least one has alleged abuse dating back to the 1970s."
The victim in his 30s clearly can't be the victim from the 1970s. I think this post shows that Andreozzi knows of a victim who was molested in the 1970s.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/jerry_sanduskys_victim_four_te.html

Thanks Pensfan.. Apparently I missed that tidbit of information.. Again, thanks for the link and for answering my question.