Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #17

[Sanny]

The watch story is interesting. He claimed that his was a $7000 Ferrari watch. The one in the pictures does not look like a $7000 Ferrari watch and it's unlikely that he wouldn't have hocked that watch at some point if he was that desperate and really had one. The watch he had when arrested looks like the same one he was wearing in the hotel video when he was leaving. If he tried to pass off any watch to the cab drivers it was probably a fake...and maybe they knew it. Another reason for him to resent them. Or more likely he just wanted to throw them as far under the bus as possible by accusing them of taking a very expensive bribe. MOO

Good point Kamille.....

 

[Flow]

The watch story is interesting. He claimed that his was a $7000 Ferrari watch. The one in the pictures does not look like a $7000 Ferrari watch and it's unlikely that he wouldn't have hocked that watch at some point if he was that desperate and really had one. The watch he had when arrested looks like the same one he was wearing in the hotel video when he was leaving. If he tried to pass off any watch to the cab drivers it was probably a fake...and maybe they knew it. Another reason for him to resent them. Or more likely he just wanted to throw them as far under the bus as possible by accusing them of taking a very expensive bribe. MOO

He could have just killed them couldn't he? That would have been smarter.

IMO.

 

[epiphany]

Fascinating. This is so different from our justice system. The defendant's family has a right to be there with the defendant and the judge, right? We don't have anything comparable to that that occurs outside of a courtroom.

Yes, only the victim's family. Computer hard drive comment was also interesting. Sure she will repeat later - I missed where that is going to be done.

 

[Sanny]

Fascinating. This is so different from our justice system. The victim's family has a right to be there with the defendant and the judge, right? We don't have anything comparable to that that occurs outside of a courtroom.

I think the Ramirez Family will be at every court hearing Joran is at.

They want JUSTICE served in Stephany's case and won't stop until he is tried and convicted of her murder.

aimo

 

[star444]

I think the Ramirez Family will be at every court hearing Joran is at.

They want JUSTICE served in Stephany's case and won't stop until he is tried and convicted of her murder.

aimo

Jean C. reported that Stephany's family will not attend today, however, their attorney will attend.

 

[Faulkner]

I was feeling sorry for Joran's mom, but not any more. Why is it that these parents go into denial and try to protect their child at any cost, when the evidence is clearly there. She is still in denial about what happened to Natalee. If she knew he needed to be in a mental facility, why didn't she issue an alert saying that instead of saying after he has killed again. We have seen this type of behaviour in a parent over and over, which leads me to believe that this making excuses for and denying what they have done is part of the problem. It makes them think they can do anything and the parents will be there to take up for them. How refreshing it would be to see a parent of one who has murdered or committed any other serious crime to stand up and say, " This is my child and I love him/her, but I am so sorry for what they have done and know they must pay the penalty".

I completely agree. And one thing that's important to look at with the Van der Sloot family, I think, is the sense of entitlement his parents seemed to give Joran and what few boundaries he appeared to have in his teenage years and likely growing up at all. I'm not sure how much difference that would/could have made since Joran is a clear psycho/sociopath, but it's clear, to me, that his parents enabled him for years rather than trying to instill any sense of consequences in him which definitely couldn't have helped matters. Joran gambled and drank in casinos regularly, he had an apartment of his own apart from the main residence of his family and there are stories of him displaying problem behavior in his youth long before Natalee ever came along.

 

[FLNY]

Jean C. reported that Stephany's family will not attend today. Their attorney will attend.

I really don't believe that Stephany's family can stomach coming face-to-face with her murdered and his lies. They've said that they don't hate him and just want to see justice done. But her father has also stated that he didn't want to see him.

And then, too, there's also the possibility that VDS may taunt them as he did NH's family.

I think it's smart that they stay out of his presence at this point.

MOO

 

[epiphany]

I believe the examination of the computer may be done in a court room. Anyone else catch that?

 

[Beatrice]

Psychopath-Inherited?
Sociopath-Environmental?

prefrontal cortex, associated with impulse control, decision-making, emotional learning and behavioral adaptation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefrontal_cortex

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy#Causes

 

[Columbo]

Oops, this just occurred to me now:

If the entire transaction , confession, etc with the police in Lima is indeed on tape,and every minute is accounted for, then I wonder how JVDS is going to support his claim that he was promised to be returned to the Netherlands if he confessed?

 

[epiphany]

Oops, this just occurred to me now:

If the entire transaction , confession, etc with the police in Lima is indeed on tape,and every minute is accounted for, then I wonder how JVDS is going to support his claim that he was promised to be returned to the Netherlands if he confessed?

Will look for any breaks in the videotapes, or may say promises made prior to when tape begins.

 

[Patty G]

I believe the examination of the computer may be done in a court room. Anyone else catch that?

Yup, it was stated that the computer would be opened up in court while the forensic expert examines the computer so no one can say "the computer was tampered with" etc. etc.

 

[epiphany]

Yup, it was stated that the computer would be opened up in court while the forensic expert examines the computer so no one can say "the computer was tampered with" etc. etc.

In today's proceedings (which would under other circumstances, take place in a courtroom), Patty?

 

[Kamille]

Sorry if anyone has already posted this, I'm not quite caught up today, but I keep wondering why Stephany's dad would have given her $1,000 to buy a laptop if she had won $10,000 already at poker, as they are now saying? i.e. she wouldn't need him to give her the money.

The laptop money also intriques me. Supposedly she meets Joran on the 27th (Thursday), most likely at a casino. Perhaps they were both having a bad night, losing money and became friendly. The next day she asks her father for $1000 with the reason being she wants to buy a laptop. She doesn't buy the laptop but somehow manages to win up to $10,000 (according to her family...not sure if they are refering to US dollars or Soles which really does need to be clarified) after meeting Joran and asking her father for money. Her family does not see her alive again after that Friday but LE may believe that there is at least phone contact between Joran and Stephany during that time.

She supposedly has a history of gambling debt and I doubt her father would just give her $1000 to go to the casino. Most likely they didn't really want her hanging around in the casinos but there wasn't much they could do about it if she was using her own money, she was a 21 year old adult. So perhaps she lied about the laptop to get some money from her father on Friday so she could gamble with Joran in the casino that night. I wonder if there are going to be more tapes surfacing of the two of them gambling together prior to the night of the murder.

Stephany even lied to her friend about where she was on the Saturday night/early Sunday morning in that text. Obviously she didn't think her friend would approve. Unfortunately she may have been able to parlay that $1000 into $10,000 and Joran probably knew all about it. It seems as though they may have spent some time together that weekend starting on the Friday. The phone calls between them might have been on the Saturday during the time she was with her friends, planning on where they were going to meet up after she dropped her friends off.

I can't help but think that maybe Stephany wasn't the type to lie to her friends and family prior to meeting Joran and that he was guiding her through that weekend with his friendly "charm" and she was sucked into his "web" so to speak.

MOO

 

[LookingUp]

Does the Judge even need Joran to cooperate with all the evidence he has already?

 

[Penelope]

Oops, this just occurred to me now:

If the entire transaction , confession, etc with the police in Lima is indeed on tape,and every minute is accounted for, then I wonder how JVDS is going to support his claim that he was promised to be returned to the Netherlands if he confessed?

IMO, I don't think JVDS has taken into account the fact that it was all taped. I believe he is so used to lying and changing his story that he just keeps doing it. it is in the best interests of LE and anyone who has a discussion with him to film or tape that meeting so that he can be caught in all the lies.

 

[Chiquita71]

Amen.

Not to mention the repeated mention of conspiracy theories, etc. Had to take a step back from the thread and regroup.

Quote Respect TwiceIrish

Thank you.

:twocents:

 

[doobiedoo52]

So what supposedly happened to that $10,000 her brother talks about? If Joran got it, why would he need to pay the drivers with watches, etc? TIA

 

[suzihawk]

Does the Judge even need Joran to cooperate with all the evidence he has already?

I wouldn't think so. Seems they have PLENTY to convict. But, it's my understanding that if JVS choses to speak, he could get a reduced sentence. So he may be shooting himself in the foot by remaining silent.

 

[concentric]

Kamille, do you think prior to the murder that he was already fishing around for someone slimy enough to help him dispose of her body?