POI: Michael Pak

[LINative13]

Are you basing that on what you've read in the news or do you know him personally? How did he butt his nose in? SG knocked on his door.

That dude has a reputation around babylon for being a nosey busy body. Politics, social, anything. And as for MP; I am a businessman...I know snakes when I see them.

 

[WINDSOR]

Truth,

If CPH took the polygraph, there would have been three results.
1) Inconclusive as in JB's test
2) Not involved
3) Involved

Agreeing with you that CPH is a liar and deceitful; there is a good chance the polygraph would have come back either inconclusive or not involved. I say this based on your assertions regarding CPH's character, and his long time ability to deceive people.

If CPH is as smart and devious as we assume, I believe he could have beat the polygraph.

The LISK who sees himself as smarter than LE would probably be willing to take the polygraph, because he can beat it, and if he cannot, it is not valid in court.


I do understand your focus on CPH as the LISK. My focus is on MP in regards to SG's death. I do believe there is some linkage between the two events as well.

Anything I write about MP should not be construed by you or anybody else as absolving or mitigating CPH's involvement as the LISK.


QUESTIONS

Does anybody know if CPH met SG at JB's home that night?

Supposedly SG mentioned CPH's name in her 911 call, how did she come to know of him?

Has anybody located MP yet?

MOO

 

[truthspider]

Truth,

I do understand your focus on CPH as the LISK. My focus is on MP in regards to SG's death. I do believe there is some linkage between the two events as well.

QUESTIONS

Does anybody know if CPH met SG at JB's home that night?

Supposedly SG mentioned CPH's name in her 911 call, how did she come to know of him?

woooooooow, slow down. Supposedly what?
Only a few LE are privileged enough to hear the 911 call. I don't believe any information has been released about it, people have tried to infer, but that is about it.

Where do you get your information from Windsor?

 

[WINDSOR]

Supposedly SG mentioned CPH's name in her 911 call, how did she come to know of him?

Okay Truth, you have me here, but hear me out.

****It is my understanding that Mari Gilbert and Sherre Gilbert are the only persons who have listened to SG 911 call besides LE.

****It is accepted as true that CPH called Mari/Sherre Gilbert the next day after SG disappeared.

****It is also accepted as true that Mari and Sherre visited Oak Beach and went to CPH's home.

The only way of CPH could be implicated in the SG disappearance, is by being mentioned by SG in the 911 call. Nobody else ( other than sleuthers) has ever mentioned him in relation to the case.

If CPH had been mentioned in the 911 call, he has do 'damage control', by creating an explanation for his contact with SG. Therefore he calls the Mari and Sherre Gilbert and tells them the story about the clinic.

If he was not mentioned in the 911 call he had no reason to call Mari or Sherre.

Truth I do believe I have read some MSM info that CPH was mentioned on the 911 call. Unfortunately I cannot find it now, and I am going out of the country tomorrow for a holiday.

After I return I will check to see if I can find the mention of CPH in the 911 call.

For the time being I will state it is my opinion only that CPH is mentioned in the 911 call.

It is my opinion only that the mention of CPH's name in the 911was what triggered his need to phone Mari and Sherre Gilbert and give them the clinic story.

I apologize for the mis-information

Windsor

 

[LINative13]

I do not remember anybody being mentioned as being a topic of conversation in that phone call by the MSM. I do not remember any details being mentioned besides she was being threatened, and the length of the actual call.

 

[truthspider]

I need to hear this call.....think ts think, .........................................................i know i can make it happen.

 

[Just K]

I do not remember anybody being mentioned as being a topic of conversation in that phone call by the MSM. I do not remember any details being mentioned besides she was being threatened, and the length of the actual call.

Very early on the Gilbert family members said that Shannan, in the 911 call, named the people who were trying to kill her. It was also reported (IDK where) that MG did listen to the 911 call and that she could hear SG being pulled into a vehicle...some said a truck.

That has always left the question, "did SG get pulled into MP's SUV and manage to get out and run to GC's door.?"

 

[truthspider]

Supposedly SG mentioned CPH's name in her 911 call, how did she come to know of him?

Okay Truth, you have me here, but hear me out.

****It is my understanding that Mari Gilbert and Sherre Gilbert are the only persons who have listened to SG 911 call besides LE.

****It is accepted as true that CPH called Mari/Sherre Gilbert the next day after SG disappeared.

It is also accepted as true that Mari and Sherre visited Oak Beach and went to CPH's home.

(for this last one BBM, you don't have to "accept" that, it is admitted in his own writing)

We also know from the doctors own written admission that Pak and Diaz came to his house that first week as well. This definitely leads me to believe that those 2 parties had credible reasons to go to CPH's house during that first week of May 2010, and that reason would not have been from CPH being mentioned in the 911 call as those party's had not heard it yet(if at all).

Therefore, it is logical to conclude that MG did actually receive the hackett rehab phone call otherwise there wouldn't have been a reason that first week for both party's to go to his house. If anyone wants to drink the liquid horsesh1t that CPH didn't make that call and he was framed, drink up. But, none for me thanks, I have an intellect, am well educated, not gullible, and most importantly did my own homework on the case.

I was wisely asked on the show "if it was possible that he made that first phone call, said those things, and is not the SK?" To which I answered, "yes, that is possible", I would like to add to that: it is also possible that finding CPH's DNA at a crime scene doesn't mean he was involved or ever there, he could have a mono-zygotic twin intent on framing him, or simply someone with access to his DNA was intent on framing him. But given all the information that has been uncovered, I believe that he has not been framed.

The only way of CPH could be implicated in the SG disappearance, is by being mentioned by SG in the 911 call. Nobody else (other than sleuthers) has ever mentioned him in relation to the case.

If CPH had been mentioned in the 911 call, he has do 'damage control', by creating an explanation for his contact with SG. Therefore he calls the Mari and Sherre Gilbert and tells them the story about the clinic.

If he was not mentioned in the 911 call he had no reason to call Mari or Sherre.

Truth I do believe I have read some MSM info that CPH was mentioned on the 911 call. Unfortunately I cannot find it now, and I am going out of the country tomorrow for a holiday.
After I return I will check to see if I can find the mention of CPH in the 911 call.
For the time being I will state it is my opinion only that CPH is mentioned in the 911 call.
It is my opinion only that the mention of CPH's name in the 911was what triggered his need to phone Mari and Sherre Gilbert and give them the clinic story.
I apologize for the mis-information
Windsor

Listen you didn't read it in the media that CPH was mentioned in the call, I think there is a chance that he was, but we have not been told so. I don't know if MG actually heard the 911 call, i think that was debated and I don't know how well it was confirmed one way or the other. I had been under the impression that she has not actually heard the call. That being said, if LE didn't let MG hear the call, they still may have questioned her about SG and who she may have known in oak beach: "MG, did SG ever mention a doctor or a halfway house to you?"-LE

It would certainly add to the reason why why LE has kept the 911 call private. Legal Stalemates suck.

 

[LINative13]

Suffolk County recently announced a $500 Million dollar budget shortfall over the next 3 years. I do not think they will be throwing money at this case, in fact it may be scaled back. Unless the FBI steps in and officially takes the lead; I do think this case is going to be shoved under the carpet. Unfortunatley the public has grown to accept the fact that a serial killer(S) is active on Long Island but is "only" killing prostitutes. I think that it is time to release some information to the public that has been kept secret. This will keep the case fresh, and possibly someone in the public may be able to blow the lid off this thing. JMO

 

[KPCrimeNY]

That dude has a reputation around babylon for being a nosey busy body. Politics, social, anything. And as for MP; I am a businessman...I know snakes when I see them.

I read snake on every guy in the A&E special associated with these girls.

 

[KPCrimeNY]

Windsor, I agree that LE had not done an adequate job investigating SG's and the other girls disappearance because they were escorts. But we don't know what LE knows now so we can only speculate and make logical guesses. Of course MP was the driver for the money. Why else would he drive around and sit in a car in the middle of the night. It was a business agreement between him and SG. SG chose to have a driver in case she met a problem client, otherwise she could have drove herself or offered incall only. If he was a pimp, he would have taken nearly all of SG's donation instead of a third. Being that MP and SG's boyfriend together reported her missing, that makes MP all the less guilty in my eyes.

JB would have had SG's donation ready for her when arrived or she would have left. I think JB is the one who took it back after the commotion started. JB would never admit to paying or having sex with her as not to incriminate himself. First and foremost an escort is a business woman and that donation is to be given up front unless he is a regular client who she knows wont stiff her if she picks up the donation on her way out. MP driving SG is not illegal. JB paying for sex is.

What makes JB and MP look innocent for SG's death is if they wanted to kill her, they could have easily taken the phone away from her at anytime instead of letting her stay on with 911. Neither were going to kill her knowing she called 911 and they would be the investigated.

I cant think of any logical reason for MP to cover for CPH or even know him. Possibly the sex party angel but not likely.Those escorts could make more money seeing one client at a time without working that hard doing a sex party.

You point out things that have bothered me but I see the other side on some things. Just my thoughts an opinions

With MP it was business and you would think more with the suppsed history between the two. They should be friends at least right? There was also AD so this was at least a 3way biz deal. For me MP is there to drive and to PROTECT. Why did she feel safer staying in JB's house calling 911 instead of bolting out the front door to her driver, biz partner & long time friend to go in and whoop his a$$ and get their money? Part of me thinks she felt safer hiding in that house and JB felt safer with her out. If the threat was in the house why hide beind the couch?

JB is guilty of hiring a prostitute. But, again I can't get past the threat on her life was NOT IN that house. The 15 min ride in OB community is huge, without confirmation from JB or SG I have hard time thinking we know truth here. Also the phone calls with MP and CVS. I have trouble believing the source of the material discussed. Part of me feels that JB's quietness and actions from the time he said "the truth will come out" (along those lines don't quote me) early in this case (in his driveway) to selling the house and leaving are about safety and or preservation one day. I think he knows alot more and is key.

Then CPH comes into this and things get even more confusing. IF we are to believe the story we are fed. SG arrives, goes for ride, comes back, cvs call, calls with pak, 911, she runs away and SG disappears. Where does CPH ever even get involved in this? I know where in the news but, in the story of that night you have JB,Drifter,MP and GC. Then maybe some other neighbors heard or saw something. Until the phone call to MG about the rehab CPH never plays in. WIERD!

Some other questions about SG I have nagging me...
The client she met in manhattan before going to LI. Could that have importnace? Was MP behind going to LI at all? Was she ever to this neighborhood before?Was there a second work phone, i forgot?

 

[Dwntwnslim]

KPCrimeNY,

Great questions and summation!

I am less confused today because of your post.

Thanks!

slim

 

[CMan0928]

Here's a little story I'd like to share. When I was 15 years old I got my first job working at a grocery store. It was literally right across the street from school. Super convenient. Anyways, I would go to this job, punch in, and then leave and go to Taco Bell. Or I would go to a nearby store and play video games with friends. Sometimes when I was feeling extra brave I would even go back to school and do my homework or use the computer in the library. I pretty much did everything but what I was supposed to be doing, which was working. Now, I was super careful about the whole thing and was never caught red handed. When I saw the boss I would smile and say "Hello", and I would make sure I got the details correct to give the appearance of being committed to my work. Eventually word of me slacking off began to spread, and before you knew it I was being disciplined rather often. Eventually they just got tired of my BS and canned me. Now they could never get me on what they knew I was probably doing (see details above), so they got me on one of those minor details that I used to be so self-disciplined at following up on. See where I'm going with this? While I don't know Michael Paks' entire history and/or criminal activities, I think it's pretty clear to most that he isn't telling us everything he knows pertaining to the Shannan Gilbert situation. I don't buy anything he says. Not for a second. I mean, the guy has admitted to being a driver for an escort service. Surely a little time behind bars might clear his hazy memory a bit, no? They could hold him on something completely underrated until he coughs something up. All the cops need is some "minor" detail. And from personal experience, that's never all that hard to find....

 

[dcgrumpy]

Here's a little story I'd like to share. When I was 15 years old I got my first job working at a grocery store. It was literally right across the street from school. Super convenient. Anyways, I would go to this job, punch in, and then leave and go to Taco Bell. Or I would go to a nearby store and play video games with friends. Sometimes when I was feeling extra brave I would even go back to school and do my homework or use the computer in the library. I pretty much did everything but what I was supposed to be doing, which was working. Now, I was super careful about the whole thing and was never caught red handed. When I saw the boss I would smile and say "Hello", and I would make sure I got the details correct to give the appearance of being committed to my work. Eventually word of me slacking off began to spread, and before you knew it I was being disciplined rather often. Eventually they just got tired of my BS and canned me. Now they could never get me on what they knew I was probably doing (see details above), so they got me on one of those minor details that I used to be so self-disciplined at following up on. See where I'm going with this? While I don't know Michael Paks' entire history and/or criminal activities, I think it's pretty clear to most that he isn't telling us everything he knows pertaining to the Shannan Gilbert situation. I don't buy anything he says. Not for a second. I mean, the guy has admitted to being a driver for an escort service. Surely a little time behind bars might clear his hazy memory a bit, no? They could hold him on something completely underrated until he coughs something up. All the cops need is some "minor" detail. And from personal experience, that's never all that hard to find....

But the police have said that they think SG's death was accidental and not murder. If that's what they really believe then they have no reason to try and get information out of him.

 

[Trocse]

You point out things that have bothered me but I see the other side on some things. Just my thoughts an opinions

With MP it was business and you would think more with the suppsed history between the two. They should be friends at least right? There was also AD so this was at least a 3way biz deal. For me MP is there to drive and to PROTECT. Why did she feel safer staying in JB's house calling 911 instead of bolting out the front door to her driver, biz partner & long time friend to go in and whoop his a$$ and get their money? Part of me thinks she felt safer hiding in that house and JB felt safer with her out. If the threat was in the house why hide beind the couch?

JB is guilty of hiring a prostitute. But, again I can't get past the threat on her life was NOT IN that house. The 15 min ride in OB community is huge, without confirmation from JB or SG I have hard time thinking we know truth here. Also the phone calls with MP and CVS. I have trouble believing the source of the material discussed. Part of me feels that JB's quietness and actions from the time he said "the truth will come out" (along those lines don't quote me) early in this case (in his driveway) to selling the house and leaving are about safety and or preservation one day. I think he knows alot more and is key.

Then CPH comes into this and things get even more confusing. IF we are to believe the story we are fed. SG arrives, goes for ride, comes back, cvs call, calls with pak, 911, she runs away and SG disappears. Where does CPH ever even get involved in this? I know where in the news but, in the story of that night you have JB,Drifter,MP and GC. Then maybe some other neighbors heard or saw something. Until the phone call to MG about the rehab CPH never plays in. WIERD!

Some other questions about SG I have nagging me...
The client she met in manhattan before going to LI. Could that have importnace? Was MP behind going to LI at all? Was she ever to this neighborhood before?Was there a second work phone, i forgot?

Something happened in JB's house that changed everything from SG doing a typical outcall to her freaking out in fear of someone trying to kill her. JB and MP aren't telling the whole story to cover their own butts. So we are are left to guess with what little information we have.

I would think SG and MP were friends and MP and AD were friends also. Picture MP and AD hanging out together while SG gets ready for her outcall appointment.

MP stated that it took about an hour to get to JB's house. An escort wont do an appointment that far away unless the client agrees to a multi-hour session All appointments are based on time in the hobby. JB's donation to SG would had to be 500 at the minimum and she got it up front or she would have left immediately. MP must have expected her to be doing a multi-hour session or he would have been knocking on JB's door instead of sitting in his SUV playing games on his phone. Time is everything and the more time, the more money.

The CVS call mystery. I can only come up with 2 reasons for her to make that call. Condoms is the first thought but escorts come prepared with those unless JB had a latex allergy and they needed some lambskins. The other reason could be if SG was bipolar and needed her meds because she was feeling bad.

Where did they go and what did they do during that 15 min ride? Had to be for drugs, alcohol or money unless JB hit up a neighbor for some raincoats.

Does anyone know more about SG's bipolar condition? Is it even true she was bipolar? If she is bipolar, would that explain her actions and fear? I knew a man who was bipolar, went off his meds, dressed up as superman then went into a bar and threw around 100 dollar bills. He was a well respected attorney and was normal while on his meds.

I can guess the answer to you question about if MP was behind going to LI. Highly unlikely. SG was an independent escort. If a client called an indy and a man answered, they would hang up. SG wouldn't get many appointments that way so she would be the one to answer the phone and set up her calls. There is always an exception, say if SG and JB had met before and he knew MP was her driver and was comfortable calling MP. But that is not how things usually work in the hobby. If MP was setting up her calls, he would expect more than a third of her donation. He would be getting half. She would work for an agency if she was willing to give up half.

 

[dc20015]

Something happened in JB's house that changed everything from SG doing a typical outcall to her freaking out in fear of someone trying to kill her. JB and MP aren't telling the whole story to cover their own butts. So we are are left to guess with what little information we have.

I would think SG and MP were friends and MP and AD were friends also. Picture MP and AD hanging out together while SG gets ready for her outcall appointment.

MP stated that it took about an hour to get to JB's house. An escort wont do an appointment that far away unless the client agrees to a multi-hour session All appointments are based on time in the hobby. JB's donation to SG would had to be 500 at the minimum and she got it up front or she would have left immediately. MP must have expected her to be doing a multi-hour session or he would have been knocking on JB's door instead of sitting in his SUV playing games on his phone. Time is everything and the more time, the more money.

The CVS call mystery. I can only come up with 2 reasons for her to make that call. Condoms is the first thought but escorts come prepared with those unless JB had a latex allergy and they needed some lambskins. The other reason could be if SG was bipolar and needed her meds because she was feeling bad.

Where did they go and what did they do during that 15 min ride? Had to be for drugs, alcohol or money unless JB hit up a neighbor for some raincoats.

Does anyone know more about SG's bipolar condition? Is it even true she was bipolar? If she is bipolar, would that explain her actions and fear? I knew a man who was bipolar, went off his meds, dressed up as superman then went into a bar and threw around 100 dollar bills. He was a well respected attorney and was normal while on his meds.

I can guess the answer to you question about if MP was behind going to LI. Highly unlikely. SG was an independent escort. If a client called an indy and a man answered, they would hang up. SG wouldn't get many appointments that way so she would be the one to answer the phone and set up her calls. There is always an exception, say if SG and JB had met before and he knew MP was her driver and was comfortable calling MP. But that is not how things usually work in the hobby. If MP was setting up her calls, he would expect more than a third of her donation. He would be getting half. She would work for an agency if she was willing to give up half.

All we have to go on is the media telling us SG was diagnosed with BPD. I guess they got this from the family. BPD is a complex mental illness with a handful of different "types". Regardless, one doesn't usually go from relatively normal to Superman throwing money in one fell swoop. That type of a mania usually brews over days or weeks after a cycle of not sleeping, excessive stress, etc. Drugs along with the illness could trigger a panic, sure, but just as many such people will not be set off by one night of partying.

 

[CMan0928]

But the police have said that they think SG's death was accidental and not murder. If that's what they really believe then they have no reason to try and get information out of him.

Okay? And you agree with that prognosis? I certainly don't. But to each their own. They declared it an accident because they ran out of leads, and let's face it, because she was a prostitute. She wasn't going to ever get top priority from the cops. It took them four months to follow up on her disappearance. If she had been a family member of mine I would have been infuriated. And when they did discover her remains her personal belongings (cell phone, jeans, shoes) were first discovered nearly a quarter-mile from the body. Why would she take off her shoes in an environment like that? It makes no sense. Pak just never saw her again after she took off from under that boat at Colletti's place? Give me a break. Not buying it. They need to talk to Pak again. He knows something.

 

[Dwntwnslim]

Aren't saltwater marshes sometimes dangerous to walk/run through?

 

[Trocse]

Aren't saltwater marshes sometimes dangerous to walk/run through?

Any kind of marsh can be dangerous to walk through. There are snakes and a person can get stuck in the mush. You can sink up to your neck in a few seconds just like quicksand.

 

[BelieveinUFO]

Any kind of marsh can be dangerous to walk through. There are snakes and a person can get stuck in the mush. You can sink up to your neck in a few seconds just like quicksand.

Doesn't explain how Shannon's body and her pant were found at totally different places because if you are stuck, you can't move any further. Her pants, lipstick and her book (or some-other item) were all pretty close but far away from her body. This also suggests that its very unlikely her pants and her other stuff all got displaced together by animals or wind or water.

Michael Pak is a strong suspect because he was chasing Shannon. He can make others believe that he was searching for her but she ran away from him which is the recorded statement given by witnesses.