Possible Matches for Anna - #1

[SherlockJr]

Hi there! I have been following this story since finding this website. It has taken a LONG time to read thru all the threads. I live in Tasmania, about 2 hours drive from Launceston. I am in awe of all the info you guys in the states seem to have access to, just reading all the info you can find is amazing. If you could give me some tips for what to look for I might be able to help. I had a look in the phone book on line and there are a couple A Waters listed, but not much info other than that.

Welcome Aussie_mum! I have heard this Anna also entertained at a casino regularly in Launceston. How many casinos are in Launceston? I could only find two. I checked their websites and could not find her, so she may have only done a show or two. Aussie_mum could you contact the University of Tasmania School of Visual and Performing Arts and inquire about the Anna Waters there? Maybe get an approximate age on her. Where to locate her today? It was between 1992-1995 when she was in the show "Never on a Sunday".

 

[itsreenw]

My friend replied that he was about 2 hours away. He did find her listed at another address in Tasmania along with an e-mail address. Once again, that was returned also. He has friends who has family in Tas. and will try to locate this Anna.

My aunt and uncle live in Tasmania too-I'll call them this week

 

[viking]

Okay, how weird is this? I went to the state of California Death Index pages and did a search for Anna Waters. There were many, many Anna Waters that were born and died from 1850 to 1939. One had a middle name of "Eifee" or something rather close. I began to wonder if the Georges "borrowed" another Anna Water's S.S.N.

The cool thing is that it states where they were born, their birthday, and place of death. They have mother's maiden names and father's last names, too. So then my computer crashed!

I feel the time frame in which Anna disappeared was so minute, that this had to be a carefully executed plan. Therefore bringing me to reason it was definitely someone she knew or had recently met that knew her mom and Joe and she was comfortable with them. But then again, a promise of a puppy or candy can be pretty persuasive to a five year old.

I will continue to run checks on Anna through the California index. Also, I have been shooting this story to a lot of national media. Won't you all do the same?

Lastly, Anna'smom: Did George ever yell at you or threaten to take Anna 'cause "she was being raised by a hippie" or "an unfit mother'? If so, how often did he say this and to what extent, if any did he threaten to take her?
Sorry my post is so disjointed!
Peace,

Mary

 

[viking]

Sorry, I forgot: the index for birth and death did not end in 1939; I just never got to continue because of my PC crashing.

 

[mjak]

Okay, how weird is this? I went to the state of California Death Index pages and did a search for Anna Waters. There were many, many Anna Waters that were born and died from 1850 to 1939. One had a middle name of "Eifee" or something rather close. I began to wonder if the Georges "borrowed" another Anna Water's S.S.N.

The cool thing is that it states where they were born, their birthday, and place of death. They have mother's maiden names and father's last names, too. So then my computer crashed!

I feel the time frame in which Anna disappeared was so minute, that this had to be a carefully executed plan. Therefore bringing me to reason it was definitely someone she knew or had recently met that knew her mom and Joe and she was comfortable with them. But then again, a promise of a puppy or candy can be pretty persuasive to a five year old.

I will continue to run checks on Anna through the California index. Also, I have been shooting this story to a lot of national media. Won't you all do the same?

Lastly, Anna'smom: Did George ever yell at you or threaten to take Anna 'cause "she was being raised by a hippie" or "an unfit mother'? If so, how often did he say this and to what extent, if any did he threaten to take her?
Sorry my post is so disjointed!
Peace,

Mary

This is very intresting. How close was this other Anna Waters middle name to Eifee?

mjak

 

[Dr. Doogie]

I went to the state of California Death Index pages and did a search for Anna Waters. There were many, many Anna Waters that were born and died from 1850 to 1939. One had a middle name of "Eifee" or something rather close. I began to wonder if the Georges "borrowed" another Anna Water's S.S.N.

This is very interesting. I tried to duplicate your research through Ancestry.com, but their CA Death Index only goes back to 1940. I did see an "Anna E. Waters", but it does not spell out the middle name. Please PM me with any links or info that you have. Great work!

I feel the time frame in which Anna disappeared was so minute, that this had to be a carefully executed plan. Therefore bringing me to reason it was definitely someone she knew or had recently met that knew her mom and Joe and she was comfortable with them. But then again, a promise of a puppy or candy can be pretty persuasive to a five year old.

I agree that it seems to be well planned, especially if it was the couple in the car that took Anna. Most predator abductions are crimes of opportunity, yet this had to occur in a perfect 5-10 minute window. Predators would not return to such a remote area one month later on the outside chance that a young girl could be available and alone. No, someone was waiting and watching for the right moment to act.

Also, I have been shooting this story to a lot of national media. Won't you all do the same?

Thanks for your efforts. Unfortunately, we need some sort of "hook" or "angle" to make this "newsworthy" and not just ancient history. I hope that the publishing of Annasmoms manuscript might light that fire to recreate interest in the case.

Lastly, Anna'smom: Did George ever yell at you or threaten to take Anna 'cause "she was being raised by a hippie" or "an unfit mother'? If so, how often did he say this and to what extent, if any did he threaten to take her?

Annasmom can answer the specifics of this question, but I will say that as of 1969-1970, GW was using terms of "evil" and worse to describe Annasmom in letters to his family. Remember that this was in the heat of a seperation/divorce and GW saw that his parents were providing moral support to Annasmom, which he felt was a betrayal. However, his parents recognised that George's mental condition had worsened and that Annasmom had endured more than anyone could be expected to endure. All of George's accusations must be viewed through the filter of his paranoia to be understood.

 

[PonderingThings]

This is from a site where a birth mother is searching for her stolen child. She came across an anomoly about a birth certificate and managed to track down the adoptee. It was not her daughter....

THE ODDS OF THIS PERSON BEING ANNA ARE EXTREMELY SLIM, HOWEVER, SINCE SOME OF THE INFORMATION DOES MATCH I THOUGHT I'D POST THE POSSIBILITY.


http://www.amfor.net/BabyTheft1968.html

Over the past 12 years, I had tracked down, spoken with, and eliminated every female born on February 14, 1968 at Cottage Hospital and in Santa Barbara County as possibly being my daughter. But there was a sealed birth certificate on Vital Records' 1968 roll of microfilm which eluded identification for several years. Only the local birth certificate number, #396, was displayed, on the microfilm, along with the 1972 delayed filing date, indicating an adoption. Although there were other sealed birth certificates in 1968, the fact that #396 was only 5 numbers away from my daughter's, #391 certificate, yet it wasn't filed until 1972, compelled me to try to find out who that record belonged to and the circumstances.

A) Anna was born in September of 1967 - Adoptee's birth certificate (filed 2 weeks out of sequence) say February 1968 - this is within the same "age range"B) The adoption occured in 1972 (doesn't say which month) - Anna disappeared in January of 1973 - This is possibly within a very short time frame "IF" it happened in December 1972.

We both felt that even if this adoptee was not my daughter, something was "not right.". Within hours Luanne informing me the adoptee's current identity is D M. V, I was speaking with D by phone and established that she could not be my daughter. D was "born blonde,"

C) The Adoptee was "born blonde" and so was Anna

Still a mystery, is the question of why my daughter's records do not match the baby I gave birth to, and why D birth certificate, indicating date of birth February 4, 1968, is filed out of sequence by 2 weeks. She says she never knew her father; that her mother remarried a year after her birth, and that her step-father then adopted her. She had searched for her biological father but was provided no information by anyone, even her mother. Yet, she says, when her biological father died, her step-father informed her about his obituary in the newspaper.

D) Why was the birth certificate filed "out of sequence" - is it possible it was "created"?

E) D biological father also died... although no date is given as to when she was told he died.

F) Although D knows she is adopted there is a lot of secrecy around her adoption.

G) D sounds a lot like Anna

H) This happened in Santa Barbara (5 hours away from Half Moon Bay) but with George's medical background is it possible he was aware/knew someone in the "baby stealing" business?

 

[SherlockJr]

WTG Pondering!!! Is there any contact information for either one?

 

[PonderingThings]

Yes - The woman who originally contacted the Adoptee can be reached through the website.

 

[SherlockJr]

I found a D M V on Net Detective, shows a new phone listing. Called it and already been disconnected.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

This may be the woman that we are looking for: D M. V (note the two n's) attended Fountain Valley High School 1981-1985 (the correct years to match Anna). Her married name is "S". A "D M. S" is listed as living in Anaheim, CA with her husband T. No phone number...yet.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

Okay, now I have a phone number. I will try and make contact today. I'll post what I find.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

D M. (V) S in Anaheim is not the same "D M.V" as mentioned in the previous article.

There is another D V listed as living in Pasadena, CA. This may be the correct one, but I do not know if the contact number listed is the one that others have tried and found disconnected.

 

[PonderingThings]

Dr. Doogie thanks for checking this out. It could very well turn out that D was born to her mom and her birth certificate was simply filed out of sequence because of a bureaucratic snaffoo.

Then the snaffoo was highlited when her stepfather adopted her.

Don't know. I do hope she understands the interest when you finally do contact her (and I'm sure you will).

 

[Dr. Doogie]

It could very well turn out that D was born to her mom and her birth certificate was simply filed out of sequence because of a bureaucratic snaffoo.

Then the snaffoo was highlited when her stepfather adopted her.

You are correct. All we know at this point is that there is something "funny" about the paperwork which could possibly (and most likely) be explained by bureacracy instead of criminal activity.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

Karen is a member of the Kukoda family who moved from back east to the San Francisco Bay area in the late 1990's. She is approximately the same age as Anna. There were some coincidental similarities in her activities/talents that matched up with Anna's siblings that made her a person of interest.

The detective with the San Mateo Sheriff's department who is handling Anna's case pulled up the DMV picture of Karen and compared it to the age-progression of Anna. It is the opinion of him and several other detectives who reviewed the photographs that Karen is not Anna.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

There are four women that are members of the Kukoda family that are being examined as possible matches to Anna. Two have been eliminated since Kukoda is their married name (Kari and Anne M.). Two more are still being looked at. Updates to come.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

As a result of the hardwork and dedication of SherlockJr, two adoptees were located on various adoption reunion sites whose details matched enough of Anna's story to make them people of interest (Great work, SherlockJr!)

The first is named Clarissa. Her listed birthday is one day off from Anna's. She has numerous memories that align with Anna's history, but enough is different to conclude that she is not Anna. Today, I received some pictures of her at around six years old and they seem to show too many differences when compared to Anna's pictures at five. I have forwarded them to Annasmom for her opinion, but am not optimistic for a match. Clarissa is a very nice lady who has been raised by a loving adopted family, but she is not Anna.

The second adoptee is named Carla (but she believes that her birth name is Anna). Details concerning this woman are sketchy, but SherlockJr had a long discussion with a friend of Clara (who had posted the original information) and they both have concluded that Carla is not Anna.

The best of wishes to these women in their search for their birthparents.

 

[SherlockJr]

I would like to start this new thread to post findings that may have been written by Anna. I've been reading and searching many blogs. A family member will have to respond if these things have happened or not. Here is my first find:

Not my earliest memory, but definately one of my favorites!!
I remember when I was about 2 or 3 my brothers had the coolest treehouse in the backyard. They had taken off the bottom rung of the ladder so I couldn't climb up there. Being the smart li'l kid I was, I went down to the basement, grabbed a bucket, brought it out to the backyard, turned the bucket upside down so that it served as a stepstool, and climbed up to the treehouse. I can still remember the look of shock on my brother's faces.

 

[reportertype]

This is a good example of out-of-the-box creative thinking. Cool idea, Sherlock!!