Possible Victim: Shannan Gilbert, 24, missing May 2010, found Oak Beach Dec 2011 #3

[Betty P]

I watched about the first hour, but had to leave for an appointment. I hope to finish today. The first part was mostly a review of Shannan’s case. I heard the part about the amount of light that morning and how it was already beginning to get light. Shannan was able to see where she was going, wouldn’t have accidentally stumbled into the marsh and got lost.

 

[snooptroop88]

He has a lot of new revelations from people, including how a person believed to be RH became so dangerous that a young woman ended up tasering him, in fear for her life. Also, with another set of events, there is a tie-in with Burke noted at one point, I believe in connection with another woman. A lot of this symposium was people sharing personal stories right there in person.

It was really sad, honestly. People were so upset. Really upset. He noted that where did they have Mari viewing the spot where her daughter had been found? They brought Mari to Peter Hackett's deck, something she couldn't have liked very much, and seems inappropriate, to say the least. It was beyond-belief sad, all of it. And Shannan was undoubtedly murdered. He is open to the idea that RH may have been involved, but definitely not just RH. He goes through the facts about the marsh. What he did at one point that was just fascinating was he says the PD were saying Shannan's case was so "different" from all the other cases. That's how they justify Shannan's "different" status in terms of Gilgo victims and we're all supposed to buy into this idea that she wasn't murdered. He goes through a whole long listing of how what happened with Shannan was NOT different. Item by item, and it's a very long list. So I'm still trying to pick through the whole thing, it's like three hours long. But there are some really, really fascinating moments in there, like the discussion of the financial records from Atlantic City they used to get the RH indictment for MBB, and how JR's very, very concerned about using these records to back up such a vital point as RH's wife's whereabouts during MBB's murder. He offers information that he received firsthand that the AC records may not necessarily be so reliable after all.

He notes that Shannan did not have her purse when she appeared on Barbara Brennan's porch. So how'd that purse end up a third of a mile away from Shannan in the swamp? Really, really scary implications to that.

 

[Betty P]

The signed affidavit at this link sounds credible. She provides many details from memory, especially details about Rex H's physical presence. Once he was arrested and his photo reached the news media, its no surprise that many women were suddenly able to recall him from past encounters. I assume these women have already given this information to Suffolk Co PD.

Police chief partied with Gilgo 'serial killer at crack-fueled motel bash'

DISGRACED ex-Long Island police chief James Burke once partied with alleged Gilgo Beach killer Rex Heuermann decades ago at a drug-fuelled motel gathering, a woman has claimed in a new sworn affida…

www.the-sun.com

She's describing a "party" she attended one evening at a Budget Motel on LI. It sounded like it was in a larger, suite-type room with several men attending. They were drinking heavily, one was passing what looked like a crack pipe. They invited these women, many of whom I assume were sex workers. They said they did held these motel room parties on occasional weekends to (paraphrasing) get away from their wives and have fun.

 

[Ruminations]

The signed affidavit at this link sounds credible. She provides many details from memory, especially details about Rex H's physical presence. Once he was arrested and his photo reached the news media, its no surprise that many women were suddenly able to recall him from past encounters. I assume these women have already given this information to Suffolk Co PD.

Police chief partied with Gilgo 'serial killer at crack-fueled motel bash'

DISGRACED ex-Long Island police chief James Burke once partied with alleged Gilgo Beach killer Rex Heuermann decades ago at a drug-fuelled motel gathering, a woman has claimed in a new sworn affida…

www.the-sun.com

She's describing a "party" she attended one evening at a Budget Motel on LI. It sounded like it was in a larger, suite-type room with several men attending. They were drinking heavily, one was passing what looked like a crack pipe. They invited these women, many of whom I assume were sex workers. They said they did held these motel room parties on occasional weekends to (paraphrasing) get away from their wives and have fun.

Yeah. Very believable.

Dudette is smart! She really handled getting away from that party and Rex artfully. I know she was likely terrified. But wow! What great ruses- so clever to tell Rex to watch her so it will seem like she trusts him and is coming back.

Nice work, Alice Poe!

MOO

 

[snarast]

I think it's pretty hard to mistake RH for someone else. It's not much of a silver lining but it's something. The people who made it out and weren't too strung out are going to remember him. And if they have turned a new leaf they may possibly want to come forward. And as for the people who are still working on survival, I hope they are beginning to feel the support from others. We are all flawed, but only some have risked their lives for their flaws. To me, that is absolutely nothing to berate someone for.

And you can't say Burke is nondescript either. Far from it, he has an attention-grabbing demeanor. But nothing like RH whose every single still picture is just so recognizable it's almost ludicruous.

 

[Betty P]

I think it's pretty hard to mistake RH for someone else. It's not much of a silver lining but it's something. The people who made it out and weren't too strung out are going to remember him. And if they have turned a new leaf they may possibly want to come forward. And as for the people who are still working on survival, I hope they are beginning to feel the support from others. We are all flawed, but only some have risked their lives for their flaws. To me, that is absolutely nothing to berate someone for.

And you can't say Burke is nondescript either. Far from it, he has an attention-grabbing demeanor. But nothing like RH whose every single still picture is just so recognizable it's almost ludicruous.

I can definitely see how an encounter with someone like RH would stay in someone's memory, even decades later. MOO

 

[snooptroop88]

Okay, so I broke down the first portion of the symposium up to the point of the break:

The open of the conference, I heard a lot about the courage and suffering of the families. Shannan's little sister was there. JR began by noting the importance of evidence, talked a little bit about his nonprofit. Returned to evidence and the importance of the public to the investigation. While he has a lot of respect for the LE community, he does not believe they acted judiciously where this case was concerned. He had a video playing of RH's attorney, who also seems to believe SG was murdered.

JR gets into how he wanted to help out Mari Gilbert, who felt the "police had bungled the job." JR gets into how MG had to view the area where they recovered SG from Peter Hackett's deck. MG had already noted she thought PH should be a suspect. Discussion moves to James Burke, how he blocked the FBI from the investigation. Even before Burke was police chief, he was chief of detectives. He had a lot of control over this case. JR gets into the nasty exchanges he's had w/the Suffolk County PD.

Discussion moves to the day SG is going from Jersey City out to Oak Beach. JR continues she met MP, who JR says worked for a sex trafficking organization. Everyone would have known what was involved in this job in OB from the beginning, MP wasn't paying for gas & tolls all the way out to OB for $50. SG would have known what was going to go down this day at OB, what was going to be involved. But to this day, we don't know what the arrangement was, & LE doesn't know. If one "follows the money," there's no trail, & Brewer insisted there was no arrangement at all. JR continues the money in SG's purse doesn't reflect the amount of time she was at JB's house, like 3 hours. And then, he notes 3 hours-- that's a long time, and that's no "ordinary" call.

Then, JR gets into the trip to CVS. JB says he doesn't know why they went. MP says they went for lotions, I think condoms, playing cards. JR doesn't know what to make of the playing cards, says the other items would have already been in SG's purse. JR was unable to find out if they got a prescription at the CVS. After CVS, there's no idea where SG goes. Did she really go straight back into the house? Maybe not? At some point, though, she is inside, on the phone, and there's the struggle. JR gets into how JB did later admit he had sex w/SG. Once that happens, the escort gets the money and goes. So why 3 hours? JR plays the 911 call. "There's somebody after me." Repeatedly. Says at one point to MP, "Why are you calling me by my name?" Response/think MP: "What do you think?" SG: "Please stop it." ... SG (to Pak): "You've been part of this all along." MP (incredulously): "I just met him today." So JR notes something's going on there that should have been investigated, there is some backstory on this. SG: "These people are trying to kill me." MP (sounds like "roll of the eyes") "Shut up." Next clip is SG shrieking in terror. MP & someone else (?) said as she was running away she tripped on the stairs, but there's no sound of that on the recording. JR says you can hear man/men's voices other than JB or MP in the background at this point. JR notes the lack of police resources for this case early on, also all the maneuvering he had to get the 911 tapes. Notes at one point, MP & PH said SG hit her head, and this is evidently the source of the belief there was some "accident." In the struggle SG lost her earring near the stairs. JR says it was torn off.

Both Colletti and Brennan say SG had no purse on her person on the porches, and JR says Colletti wasn't too friendly to SG on his porch and never asked her in. Brennan says SG had no jacket. JR notes SG was not on drugs, doesn't sound like she is on drugs. She didn't go running into the impenetrable marsh. There's a long discussion about how light it would have been at this point for SG, too much light for her to have run accidentally into a marsh. JR expresses concern that PH never called the SCPD, and never called SG even though PH was supposed to be looking for her, and PH erased the OB tapes. This portion ends with a detailed discussion of how SG's case is not "different" from the other Gilgo cases, it's the same in that:

all victims found close the parkway/SG was remarkably close to the highway when they finally found her remains
all found in a marsh
all/most sex workers
all had missing clothing
all had missing possessions (SG ring gone)
all petite females
all between 22-27 yo (SG was 24)
all killed by homicide (the contested issue, Baden autopsy noted strangulation)
all had ties to midtown Manhattan
all had worked early morning hours

 

[Betty P]

Okay, so I broke down the first portion of the symposium up to the point of the break:

The open of the conference, I heard a lot about the courage and suffering of the families. Shannan's little sister was there. JR began by noting the importance of evidence, talked a little bit about his nonprofit. Returned to evidence and the importance of the public to the investigation. While he has a lot of respect for the LE community, he does not believe they acted judiciously where this case was concerned. He had a video playing of RH's attorney, who also seems to believe SG was murdered.

JR gets into how he wanted to help out Mari Gilbert, who felt the "police had bungled the job." JR gets into how MG had to view the area where they recovered SG from Peter Hackett's deck. MG had already noted she thought PH should be a suspect. Discussion moves to James Burke, how he blocked the FBI from the investigation. Even before Burke was police chief, he was chief of detectives. He had a lot of control over this case. JR gets into the nasty exchanges he's had w/the Suffolk County PD.

Discussion moves to the day SG is going from Jersey City out to Oak Beach. JR continues she met MP, who JR says worked for a sex trafficking organization. Everyone would have known what was involved in this job in OB from the beginning, MP wasn't paying for gas & tolls all the way out to OB for $50. SG would have known what was going to go down this day at OB, what was going to be involved. But to this day, we don't know what the arrangement was, & LE doesn't know. If one "follows the money," there's no trail, & Brewer insisted there was no arrangement at all. JR continues the money in SG's purse doesn't reflect the amount of time she was at JB's house, like 3 hours. And then, he notes 3 hours-- that's a long time, and that's no "ordinary" call.

Then, JR gets into the trip to CVS. JB says he doesn't know why they went. MP says they went for lotions, I think condoms, playing cards. JR doesn't know what to make of the playing cards, says the other items would have already been in SG's purse. JR was unable to find out if they got a prescription at the CVS. After CVS, there's no idea where SG goes. Did she really go straight back into the house? Maybe not? At some point, though, she is inside, on the phone, and there's the struggle. JR gets into how JB did later admit he had sex w/SG. Once that happens, the escort gets the money and goes. So why 3 hours? JR plays the 911 call. "There's somebody after me." Repeatedly. Says at one point to MP, "Why are you calling me by my name?" Response/think MP: "What do you think?" SG: "Please stop it." ... SG (to Pak): "You've been part of this all along." MP (incredulously): "I just met him today." So JR notes something's going on there that should have been investigated, there is some backstory on this. SG: "These people are trying to kill me." MP (sounds like "roll of the eyes") "Shut up." Next clip is SG shrieking in terror. MP & someone else (?) said as she was running away she tripped on the stairs, but there's no sound of that on the recording. JR says you can hear man/men's voices other than JB or MP in the background at this point. JR notes the lack of police resources for this case early on, also all the maneuvering he had to get the 911 tapes. Notes at one point, MP & PH said SG hit her head, and this is evidently the source of the belief there was some "accident." In the struggle SG lost her earring near the stairs. JR says it was torn off.

Both Colletti and Brennan say SG had no purse on her person on the porches, and JR says Colletti wasn't too friendly to SG on his porch and never asked her in. Brennan says SG had no jacket. JR notes SG was not on drugs, doesn't sound like she is on drugs. She didn't go running into the impenetrable marsh. There's a long discussion about how light it would have been at this point for SG, too much light for her to have run accidentally into a marsh. JR expresses concern that PH never called the SCPD, and never called SG even though PH was supposed to be looking for her, and PH erased the OB tapes. This portion ends with a detailed discussion of how SG's case is not "different" from the other Gilgo cases, it's the same in that:

all victims found close the parkway/SG was remarkably close to the highway when they finally found her remains
all found in a marsh
all/most sex workers
all had missing clothing
all had missing possessions (SG ring gone)
all petite females
all between 22-27 yo (SG was 24)
all killed by homicide (the contested issue, Baden autopsy noted strangulation)
all had ties to midtown Manhattan
all had worked early morning hours

IT was fairly obvious in the first week or so after the victims bodies were found at Gilgo and Oak Beach areas that the victim profiles were very similar, as well as the MO and location. It seems unlikely these were women killed by different monsters.

And thank you so much for the summary! That's a lot of hard work!

 

[snooptroop88]

I will always believe SG was murdered by RH. JMO, but SG had a prior encounter with RH that terrified her. And in gaining that exposure to RH through that encounter, he imparted invaluable information to her about how he operates, just by her experiencing him. And I believe RH is a true stalker, he stalks women like they're animals out on one of his real hunting trips. So on the morning she went to CVS, I believe RH made meaningful contact with her and probably instilled distrust in the company she was in that night/morning. He somehow got her moving in the direction of the idea that the people she was working with that night were "in on" his little plans. Depending on the circumstances, this may not have been all that difficult for him to do. This is not that far-fetched, another Gilgo victim was last seen walking to a convenience store. When I saw "CVS" mentioned in relation to SG, I really, really wondered about this. Because everything was different after that trip to the CVS. Up to to that point, it had been business as usual. The "someone" who was "after" SG that night was RH, and by the time SG returned to the house in OB, he was probably outside, by then on foot. He had manipulated the situation so that she did strongly suspect the "people" (plural) she was with that night were part of the plan. So I don't think any drug necessarily played any meaningful role in what happened that night to SG, she sounds logical and rational to me in light of her circumstances. She had a driver, she probably genuinely does not know where she is; she knows she does not have the real name of the person outside stalking her, it's probably, you know, "John Springfield"; she is not receiving support from her present company-- to the contrary, they sound like they will throw her under the bus with gusto if the PD really do arrive; and the only information SG can at that moment give the people on the other end of the phone at that point is information to incriminate herself, which is why I'm especially wondering about that comment made by one of the people she runs to for refuge. Not sure if this is verbatim: "Don't get yourself in trouble." SG is desperate, but she knew she wasn't going to get support from her current associates, so she does finally take her chances and runs out the door. She goes to one porch, is not invited in, and gets "Don't get yourself in in trouble." She goes to another door and gets no entry there, either. And by now, it's light out. So it's light enough for a young girl not to run into a thicketed marsh area "by accident," but MOO not so light where RH can't snatch her and swallow her into a pocket of darkness. I think that's exactly what happened. He has about 18 minutes by then until the police arrive. Call had been made, pounding on doors, screaming, he has limited time. Alarm has been raised. Even if at that point RH wanted to turn back, he can't because SG has to be silenced after this, it has turned into a matter of survival for RH. And RH moved faster that night than he ever had. It was an entirely different RH that night, and that's why it's a somewhat different CS. I don't think there were necessarily "accomplices" per se, RH is a master manipulator and he doesn't need (and probably in no way wants) true "accomplices." How many SKs own their own architectural firms? So I will always believe that RH probably murdered SG. But this is all just speculation, and I recognize that as well.

 

[snooptroop88]

And actual quote is "Don't get yourself hurt." I tried to go in and edit on that, but I can't edit, so adding it here.

 

[WINDSOR]

I will always believe SG was murdered by RH. JMO, but SG had a prior encounter with RH that terrified her. And in gaining that exposure to RH through that encounter, he imparted invaluable information to her about how he operates, just by her experiencing him. And I believe RH is a true stalker, he stalks women like they're animals out on one of his real hunting trips. So on the morning she went to CVS, I believe RH made meaningful contact with her and probably instilled distrust in the company she was in that night/morning. He somehow got her moving in the direction of the idea that the people she was working with that night were "in on" his little plans. Depending on the circumstances, this may not have been all that difficult for him to do. This is not that far-fetched, another Gilgo victim was last seen walking to a convenience store. When I saw "CVS" mentioned in relation to SG, I really, really wondered about this. Because everything was different after that trip to the CVS. Up to to that point, it had been business as usual. The "someone" who was "after" SG that night was RH, and by the time SG returned to the house in OB, he was probably outside, by then on foot. He had manipulated the situation so that she did strongly suspect the "people" (plural) she was with that night were part of the plan. So I don't think any drug necessarily played any meaningful role in what happened that night to SG, she sounds logical and rational to me in light of her circumstances. She had a driver, she probably genuinely does not know where she is; she knows she does not have the real name of the person outside stalking her, it's probably, you know, "John Springfield"; she is not receiving support from her present company-- to the contrary, they sound like they will throw her under the bus with gusto if the PD really do arrive; and the only information SG can at that moment give the people on the other end of the phone at that point is information to incriminate herself, which is why I'm especially wondering about that comment made by one of the people she runs to for refuge. Not sure if this is verbatim: "Don't get yourself in trouble." SG is desperate, but she knew she wasn't going to get support from her current associates, so she does finally take her chances and runs out the door. She goes to one porch, is not invited in, and gets "Don't get yourself in in trouble." She goes to another door and gets no entry there, either. And by now, it's light out. So it's light enough for a young girl not to run into a thicketed marsh area "by accident," but MOO not so light where RH can't snatch her and swallow her into a pocket of darkness. I think that's exactly what happened. He has about 18 minutes by then until the police arrive. Call had been made, pounding on doors, screaming, he has limited time. Alarm has been raised. Even if at that point RH wanted to turn back, he can't because SG has to be silenced after this, it has turned into a matter of survival for RH. And RH moved faster that night than he ever had. It was an entirely different RH that night, and that's why it's a somewhat different CS. I don't think there were necessarily "accomplices" per se, RH is a master manipulator and he doesn't need (and probably in no way wants) true "accomplices." How many SKs own their own architectural firms? So I will always believe that RH probably murdered SG. But this is all just speculation, and I recognize that as well.

Is there any way to check the whereabouts of RH the night Shannan died. If RH was not in Oak Beach, 100% he did not kill Shannan.

Who would know if he was there? Joseph Brewer and/or Michael Pak could identify him, maybe some other residents or party attendees.

Has any LE agency followed this up?

 

[Ruminations]

Is there any way to check the whereabouts of RH the night Shannan died. If RH was not in Oak Beach, 100% he did not kill Shannan.

Who would know if he was there? Joseph Brewer and/or Michael Pak could identify him, maybe some other residents or party attendees.

Has any LE agency followed this up?

We don't know when exactly she was murdered, or where.

I would like very much for LE to know where RH was that weekend, and to appropriately follow up on that info. I don't trust they have, sadly.

IIRC, there was no reporting about evidence supporting/debunking her body being dumped.

Hackett's bizarre communications suggested Shannan didn't die immediately. It was a home for wayward girls (implying the need for reforming/torturing) not a home for dead girls.

I think Rex is at least related to this crime, if he is not the/one of the murder(s). He is memorable in appearance, even in low light. It seems plausible he was the reason Shannan would not leave Brewers house. It also seems plausible he "just" murdered others, and the murders were all in the same circle of horrifying friends.

MOO

 

[IamRaven9]

Is there any way to check the whereabouts of RH the night Shannan died. If RH was not in Oak Beach, 100% he did not kill Shannan.

Who would know if he was there? Joseph Brewer and/or Michael Pak could identify him, maybe some other residents or party attendees.

Has any LE agency followed this up?

Although we know when Shannan went missing we don't know when she was murdered. She could have been held captive.

 

[WINDSOR]

Although we know when Shannan went missing we don't know when she was murdered. She could have been held captive.

Well if she was not murdered in Oak Beach area, that would imply either that she was removed from Oak Beach after being treated by Dr. Hackett.

If she was taken from Oak Beach, it would have likely been by a motor vehicle. We do know that MP left Oak Beach prior to LE arriving. If another vehicle left as well, possibly somebody saw something.

Under questioning by SCPD, Dr. Hackett should have disclosed how Shannan left his home. By car or by foot, alone or in the presence of someone. If The SCPD did not ask and did not learn this information, the SCPD is beyond despicable.

My guess though is that Shannan never left Oak Beach, and the SCPD know exactly what happened at and after Dr. Hackett's home.

MOO

 

[WINDSOR]

A shocking thought occurred to me. If Shannan was alive when the first SCPD patrol car and officer arrived in Oak Beach around 6:00am that means only the following were likely.

Shannan had just left with MP in his SUV, before the SCPD arrived.

Or Shannan was still in Oak Beach, likely alive.

I wonder if when that officer reflects on that morning, if he would have done a better investigation or called for back-up?

 

[Ruminations]

A shocking thought occurred to me. If Shannan was alive when the first SCPD patrol car and officer arrived in Oak Beach around 6:00am that means only the following were likely.

Shannan had just left with MP in his SUV, before the SCPD arrived.

Or Shannan was still in Oak Beach, likely alive.

I wonder if when that officer reflects on that morning, if he would have done a better investigation or called for back-up?

My thought is, Pak picked up money on his way home. Somebody was a satisfied customer.

Nobody pays to have some one run into a marsh.

MOO

 

[snooptroop88]

Also, for those who think RH killed SG, what I find truly bizarre (if it's the case that he did it, and I know that's a huge "if") is that she went to Oak Beach in May 2010. For whatever reason, I always get confused on this and think she would have been the final RH victim out there-- provided RH is guilty, and he also killed SG. But there are two victims after this, MW and AC. It's mind-boggling to me that if RH did kill SG, he was so unruffled that he continued to "stomp" in his graveyard. It's not impossible, though. He definitely took risks. He knew AC's partner had gotten a good look at him after their "ruse" and he returned to murder her regardless. He left that belt with the initials in the case of MBB. He made these taunting calls to the victims' families and friends. And I have always thought RH had a temperament like Alaska weather that can turn on a dime. In that interview he did online, the interviewer is listening to RH's story about how his father was an aerospace engineer, and the interviewer lightheartedly remarks something along the lines of "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree." And if you look at RH's face in that moment, I can't really describe the expression, but it looks like some mixture of discomfort, anger, resentment, indignation, and pure malice, all trying to conceal themselves but to some extent failing. And that's on camera, so I think RH has a difficult time controlling himself emotionally. And speaking of risky behavior, wasn't that interview done in 2022? If he is indeed LISK, how risky would it be for an architect who's also a serial killer to do such an interview? If RH is LISK, he takes big risks. (All MOO.)

So they discovered the first set of remains for a victim at Gilgo in December 2010. I'm wondering how "hot" that area had become prior to this (from May into December), and how much media attention the cases involved had received prior to December 2010. It does sound like there was increased police presence in the area, the search was supposed to have been pretty intense, and at the very least, he was ignoring that (provided he was aware of it) and continuing to murder and leave bodies through September. I am wondering if he figured the Oak Beach area was remote enough from his graveyard that he didn't have to worry, and the victims murdered post-Shannan were buried at the western end of the graveyard, maybe he figured he was still "safe." But Shannan's remains were recovered very close to Peaches' baby. Either way, I do still think he did kill Shannan (MOO) and continued "stomping" in the area. All obviously pure speculation.

 

[wcasewatch]

My thought is, Pak picked up money on his way home. Somebody was a satisfied customer.

Nobody pays to have some one run into a marsh.

MOO

Money is almost always collected beforehand.

 

[WINDSOR]

Also, for those who think RH killed SG, what I find truly bizarre (if it's the case that he did it, and I know that's a huge "if") is that she went to Oak Beach in May 2010. For whatever reason, I always get confused on this and think she would have been the final RH victim out there-- provided RH is guilty, and he also killed SG. But there are two victims after this, MW and AC. It's mind-boggling to me that if RH did kill SG, he was so unruffled that he continued to "stomp" in his graveyard. It's not impossible, though. He definitely took risks. He knew AC's partner had gotten a good look at him after their "ruse" and he returned to murder her regardless. He left that belt with the initials in the case of MBB. He made these taunting calls to the victims' families and friends. And I have always thought RH had a temperament like Alaska weather that can turn on a dime. In that interview he did online, the interviewer is listening to RH's story about how his father was an aerospace engineer, and the interviewer lightheartedly remarks something along the lines of "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree." And if you look at RH's face in that moment, I can't really describe the expression, but it looks like some mixture of discomfort, anger, resentment, indignation, and pure malice, all trying to conceal themselves but to some extent failing. And that's on camera, so I think RH has a difficult time controlling himself emotionally. And speaking of risky behavior, wasn't that interview done in 2022? If he is indeed LISK, how risky would it be for an architect who's also a serial killer to do such an interview? If RH is LISK, he takes big risks. (All MOO.)

So they discovered the first set of remains for a victim at Gilgo in December 2010. I'm wondering how "hot" that area had become prior to this (from May into December), and how much media attention the cases involved had received prior to December 2010. It does sound like there was increased police presence in the area, the search was supposed to have been pretty intense, and at the very least, he was ignoring that (provided he was aware of it) and continuing to murder and leave bodies through September. I am wondering if he figured the Oak Beach area was remote enough from his graveyard that he didn't have to worry, and the victims murdered post-Shannan were buried at the western end of the graveyard, maybe he figured he was still "safe." But Shannan's remains were recovered very close to Peaches' baby. Either way, I do still think he did kill Shannan (MOO) and continued "stomping" in the area. All obviously pure speculation.

If RH did not kill Shannan, then either someone else did, or after she was treated by Dr. Hackett she left his house and she just decided, all by herself, to start taking her clothes off while taking a walk in the marsh. Then she tripped and fell and drowned.

Sounds ludicrous to me, but that is the official version of what happened according to the SCPD.

 

[snarast]

If RH did not kill Shannan, then either someone else did, or after she was treated by Dr. Hackett she left his house and she just decided, all by herself, to start taking her clothes off while taking a walk in the marsh. Then she tripped and fell and drowned.

Sounds ludicrous to me, but that is the official version of what happened according to the SCPD.

Well, whatever happened it was not ”a horrible accident”. Even good guys can lie with a fairly straight face apparently. LE’s comments regarding the matter are slightly robotic however. IMHO obviously.