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ITA! The killer of the GB4 is a meek man and he appears to be "harmless." That is what he uses to his advantage. He is the classic "hen-pecked" husband, his wife talks over him, answers questions for him, tells him what to wear, where to sit/stand, how to spend his money, what to do and when it needs to be done. As soon as she is out of his hair, gone away or gone to work her night shift, whatever...little Johnny gets to act out his violent and sexual fantasies with very few or any repercussions.

There is some rage bottled up and simmering below his calm demeanor. He is that classic "nice & quiet man." The one no one would have ever expected. He gets sick delight in knowing that he has everyone fooled...including the battle-ax at home. In his weak and twisted little mind he is giggling with delight because he thinks, "I am doing what I want, anyway. She doesn't even think I'm capable enough to pick out my own outfit. Boy, is she the fool. I wonder what she'd think of me if I ever do get caught. Her little "perfect image" would be annihilated. Now that would make it all worth while."

The wife would never suspect him because she "knows" she is the boss. She "knows" that everyone walks all over him.
ALL of the above is IMO.

All my opinion as well. I'd even go so far as to say that, in some measure, he sees his control over his victims as a way to stick it to the wife. At least, in part.

He dumps the bodies where he can see them...in plain sight, but hidden right under everyone elses noses. He knows they are there, and he gets off on the fact that he knows and no one else does. Makes him feel masterful. What do you want to bet the wife cruised past the bodies on a daily basis too, and never knew? Bet that thrilled him to no end.
 
I guess I really meant small more than short. Although overweight, he does not appear like a muscle man to me. I just looked up the video links I had saved. A month or so ago most of them were gone. Now I can only found one, which shows him to be slightly shorter than his wife when they are not standing on stairs:

FBI joins search for bodies on Long Island - YouTube

I could spend more hours looking for more videos but I think most people get my point. I don't really like to parse words.

Redbird, what I love about that image from your video is that it really captures the weight fluctuation that CPH experienced throughout 2011. I wonder what was eating at him...
 
All my opinion as well. I'd even go so far as to say that, in some measure, he sees his control over his victims as a way to stick it to the wife. At least, in part.

He dumps the bodies where he can see them...in plain sight, but hidden right under everyone elses noses. He knows they are there, and he gets off on the fact that he knows and no one else does. Makes him feel masterful. What do you want to bet the wife cruised past the bodies on a daily basis too, and never knew? Bet that thrilled him to no end.

Or that the G4 were dumped in the brush that his cheating wife and her eco/garden "friends" work so hard to clean up. "Here, take a look at my *advertiser censored* you #%$^..."
 
Redbird, what I love about that image from your video is that it really captures the weight fluctuation that CPH experienced throughout 2011. I wonder what was eating at him...

Maybe he got a Bowflex?
 
Redbird, what I love about that image from your video is that it really captures the weight fluctuation that CPH experienced throughout 2011. I wonder what was eating at him...

Maybe he increased his booze intake.
 
Very interesting, Downtownslim. Why Transmetropolitan? I haven't read those books, but I'm familiar with them and curious about how you got down to that level of detail.
 
Or that the G4 were dumped in the brush that his cheating wife and her eco/garden "friends" work so hard to clean up. "Here, take a look at my *advertiser censored* you #%$^..."

*nods* Wouldn't surprise me.
 
Very interesting, Downtownslim. Why Transmetropolitan? I haven't read those books, but I'm familiar with them and curious about how you got down to that level of detail.

I actually haven't read the novels either. But, during the course of my research about hackers and hacker culture Transmetropolitan was mentioned a lot. It seems to be a very popular book within the hacker community.

From what I gather from reading various summaries of the books, it also seems to appeal to people who feel disenfranchised. It is my theory that the perp also feels disenfranchised *If* my theory is correct regarding his lack of social skills. From what I have read of the summaries of the books, a lot of the characters seem to lack social graces and skills.
 
Michael Pak did say something interesting in the A&E documentary that caught my attention. He said once he entered Brewer's home to retrieve Gilbert, whom was hiding behind a couch shouting "You're trying to kill me", that he thought she was trying to "set him up". After she took off and ended up at Colletti's house, and then fled from there, Pak pursued her in his SUV. That implicates him in my opinion. Plus, the GB4 girls were naked because that would be when they were at their most vulnerable, and that's when the killer slaughtered them. That's what a serial killer does. They derive enjoyment out of a victims vulnerability. As for Manorville? Who knows if it's the same person committing the crimes. It doesn't shock me that a dump site would be located in such a place as a Wildlife Sanctuary. That aspect of the story actually reminds me a lot of the Backpacker Murders that took place in the early 90's in Australia in Belanglo State Forest, which were committed by Ivan Milat. If you have time, look into Milat. Some of his crimes were used as an inspiration for the film "Wolf Creek". You can't really sit here, as a sane person, and rationalize what these guys do and/or think. You'll drive yourself crazy, because that's what they are, crazy.
Nice post CMan and welcome. Wolf Creek is the scariest movie I've seen - I still can't watch the whole thing by myself...:chicken:
 
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I don't know where all of this came from. Some of it is my deductions based on the evidence, and I will try to show my thinking where possible. I was not intending for it to sound like JB, but it rather came out that way.

• The killer comes from Long Island and has strong family and community ties there. This includes family and social ties to the criminal underworld, local government, law enforcement, and some of Long Island's more wealthy and prominent individuals. For instance, Matt Damon's character from The Departed has a similar background. The killer is familiar with people on both sides of the law, and he knows their routines. This is one of the reasons he's been able to kill for so long without being caught. He is not so much a mastermind as an imitator of other people's tricks. Some of his techniques may be right out of examples from law enforcement training seminars that he has heard about secondhand.

• I feel he spent significant time in juvenile facilities during his formative years. Along with property crimes related to poor impulse control and attention-seeking (arson?), he has an early rape or sexual assault on his criminal record. People who served time with him in this juvenile facility would remember him today because he was unusually bold and sadistic. Emboldened in part by his family ties, he has always been arrogant. In those days, he was cruel for its own sake but also because he wanted people to witness it. It's a power play for him. If he bullied other juvenile detainees, he did it in front of everyone. His juvenile record is probably sealed or expunged. He may have some crimes on his record from his early twenties but because he is older now (early forties) and probably works exclusively with family and friends, few people know the details of his early criminal past.

• The killer's family probably has a successful local business that is associated with the criminal milieu. This could mean owning a strip club or a liquor store like JB's family does or a contracting company like John Wayne Gacy or they might be slumlords. It is likely that he has friends and/or relatives in law enforcement and/or local government as well. I feel he is probably hearing the LE scuttlebutt that few of us on this board are able to access and has adjusted his behavior accordingly.

• He definitely drinks and may be a regular at local bars. He has a "townie" aspect to him. The bars are not dives but they are not yuppie places either. Bar regulars and employees are aware that he is predatory and a bit "out of control" because they have witnessed him being violent and predatory before.

• He is a regular user of other drugs as well, such as ecstasy and cocaine. This is a no-brainer. He has probably been in rehab at least once.

• The killer has a very strong sexual appetite and he has occasionally had sex with trans women and men, which may explain some of the Manorville and Parkway victims. However, he is primarily attracted to young and underage women. This is why he made so many calls to Melissa Barthelemy's sister. He may have an early conviction for statutory rape or prowling. When he hires escorts, which he has done routinely for decades, he may engage in age-related games with them (i.e., "pretend you're a Catholic schoolgirl.") This is why most of the victims have been particularly small and young-looking. He is someone that has friends in the escort business and probably frequents strip clubs, where he prides himself on knowing the dancers personally. He often gives women drugs or other gifts.

• This killer is more socially adept and high-functioning than your typical serial killer. He can be charming and charismatic. He's a braggart and a name-dropper.

• This is someone who has always driven a high-end vehicle, probably with tinted windows. Right now it is probably a black or white sport utility vehicle. As others have mentioned, he may now be killing the women inside this car, sometimes in semi-public situations, like in a deserted parking lot next to the ocean. He has an exhibitionistic streak and that is part of the thrill for him.

• LISK is probably responsible for most of the Manorville victims and likely for AC as well. I think he had some unsupervised time during the AC murders and used it to go on a bender. However, one or more of the non-GB4 bodies found along Ocean Parkway may be related to other crimes. He is primarily an imitator when it comes to his criminal techniques, so if he has heard someone "in the know" say, "This would be a great place to dump a body" or "this is where the mob used to dump bodies," then he would begin considering it as a dump site. He does not do his own thinking. If the police are smart, they will use this flaw to catch him.

• He is probably currently married or separated, with children. His wife may be younger or younger-seeming, and is particularly disempowered in the relationship. She is beautiful, definitely small in stature and may be a native of another country, without a good command of English. He has been controlling and emotionally and physically abusive to her, which is what caused the separation, if there is one.

• He may be a gym rat or amateur body builder. I don't think this guy is naturally extremely tall or imposing and therefore he tries to make the best of what he has. He is probably about 5'8 or 5'9. Not short exactly, but not tall either.

• The killer is much more confident and financially successful now than when he was committing the Manorville killings. He has also probably had practice killing in a location that we don't know about -- probably a place where his family has a vacation home. If he is ever caught, they will find more victims there. I do strongly feel he still works for family and has gradually been given more responsibility in the family business as he gets older.

• Some of his crime scenes may be in rental properties or industrial buildings owned by his family or employers. This is probably where he dismembered, when he did.

I'm interested in any feedback you all have to what I've written here. I think the main thrust of it is a different take than what we have mainly been talking about.
 
Excellent theory, Aleph!

You have definitely opened my eyes to new possibilities and given me some new ideas to think about.

I would be Very surprised if the perp didn't have a juvenile record of some kind that is sealed or expunged. I also agree that it's very possible the perp has been in rehab at least once.

It didn't occur to me that the perp might be getting his LE knowledge from the sources you mentioned. Thanks for pointing that out.

Do you think the perp might be a current smoker if he has an addictive personaltiy? I keep going back and forth on that idea.
 
Nice post CMan and welcome. Wolf Creek is the scariest movie I've seen - I still can't watch the whole thing by myself...:chicken:

Thank you. And yes, a very chilling film. But one I definitely recommend to those that haven't already seen it.
 
Hi all,
Just wondering - If Shannan's COD is ruled as "accidental" or "drowning" does that open up the possibilty to sue to get her 911 call released? Freedom of Info Act, right? tia
 
Hi all,
Just wondering - If Shannan's COD is ruled as "accidental" or "drowning" does that open up the possibilty to sue to get her 911 call released? Freedom of Info Act, right? tia

The ME's report has not been released regarding Shannan Gilbert therefore we don't officially know why Shannan Gilbert died.
 
Aleph's LISK Profile


I don't know where all of this came from. Some of it is my deductions based on the evidence, and I will try to show my thinking where possible. I was not intending for it to sound like JB, but it rather came out that way.

• The killer comes from Long Island and has strong family and community ties there. This includes family and social ties to the criminal underworld, local government, law enforcement, and some of Long Island's more wealthy and prominent individuals. For instance, Matt Damon's character from The Departed has a similar background. The killer is familiar with people on both sides of the law, and he knows their routines. This is one of the reasons he's been able to kill for so long without being caught. He is not so much a mastermind as an imitator of other people's tricks. Some of his techniques may be right out of examples from law enforcement training seminars that he has heard about secondhand.

• I feel he spent significant time in juvenile facilities during his formative years. Along with property crimes related to poor impulse control and attention-seeking (arson?), he has an early rape or sexual assault on his criminal record. People who served time with him in this juvenile facility would remember him today because he was unusually bold and sadistic. Emboldened in part by his family ties, he has always been arrogant. In those days, he was cruel for its own sake but also because he wanted people to witness it. It's a power play for him. If he bullied other juvenile detainees, he did it in front of everyone. His juvenile record is probably sealed or expunged. He may have some crimes on his record from his early twenties but because he is older now (early forties) and probably works exclusively with family and friends, few people know the details of his early criminal past.

• The killer's family probably has a successful local business that is associated with the criminal milieu. This could mean owning a strip club or a liquor store like JB's family does or a contracting company like John Wayne Gacy or they might be slumlords. It is likely that he has friends and/or relatives in law enforcement and/or local government as well. I feel he is probably hearing the LE scuttlebutt that few of us on this board are able to access and has adjusted his behavior accordingly.

• He definitely drinks and may be a regular at local bars. He has a "townie" aspect to him. The bars are not dives but they are not yuppie places either. Bar regulars and employees are aware that he is predatory and a bit "out of control" because they have witnessed him being violent and predatory before.

• He is a regular user of other drugs as well, such as ecstasy and cocaine. This is a no-brainer. He has probably been in rehab at least once.

• The killer has a very strong sexual appetite and he has occasionally had sex with trans women and men, which may explain some of the Manorville and Parkway victims. However, he is primarily attracted to young and underage women. This is why he made so many calls to Melissa Barthelemy's sister. He may have an early conviction for statutory rape or prowling. When he hires escorts, which he has done routinely for decades, he may engage in age-related games with them (i.e., "pretend you're a Catholic schoolgirl.") This is why most of the victims have been particularly small and young-looking. He is someone that has friends in the escort business and probably frequents strip clubs, where he prides himself on knowing the dancers personally. He often gives women drugs or other gifts.

• This killer is more socially adept and high-functioning than your typical serial killer. He can be charming and charismatic. He's a braggart and a name-dropper.

• This is someone who has always driven a high-end vehicle, probably with tinted windows. Right now it is probably a black or white sport utility vehicle. As others have mentioned, he may now be killing the women inside this car, sometimes in semi-public situations, like in a deserted parking lot next to the ocean. He has an exhibitionistic streak and that is part of the thrill for him.

• LISK is probably responsible for most of the Manorville victims and likely for AC as well. I think he had some unsupervised time during the AC murders and used it to go on a bender. However, one or more of the non-GB4 bodies found along Ocean Parkway may be related to other crimes. He is primarily an imitator when it comes to his criminal techniques, so if he has heard someone "in the know" say, "This would be a great place to dump a body" or "this is where the mob used to dump bodies," then he would begin considering it as a dump site. He does not do his own thinking. If the police are smart, they will use this flaw to catch him.

• He is probably currently married or separated, with children. His wife may be younger or younger-seeming, and is particularly disempowered in the relationship. She is beautiful, definitely small in stature and may be a native of another country, without a good command of English. He has been controlling and emotionally and physically abusive to her, which is what caused the separation, if there is one.

• He may be a gym rat or amateur body builder. I don't think this guy is naturally extremely tall or imposing and therefore he tries to make the best of what he has. He is probably about 5'8 or 5'9. Not short exactly, but not tall either.

• The killer is much more confident and financially successful now than when he was committing the Manorville killings. He has also probably had practice killing in a location that we don't know about -- probably a place where his family has a vacation home. If he is ever caught, they will find more victims there. I do strongly feel he still works for family and has gradually been given more responsibility in the family business as he gets older.

• Some of his crime scenes may be in rental properties or industrial buildings owned by his family or employers. This is probably where he dismembered, when he did.

I'm interested in any feedback you all have to what I've written here. I think the main thrust of it is a different take than what we have mainly been talking about.
Hi Aleph,
Your theory is chilling and what I mostly believe to be true. You came to the same conclusion as many of us, (but I'll speak for me), and summed up a description of the LISK, really well IMHO.
 
A few other things I forgot to add:

• I think he may have convinced his final two victims to leave their cell phones at home by telling them that they were going to a party attended by well-known people. This is one of the only plausible ways that someone might be persuaded not to bring her phone. (Can anyone think of any others?) The killer almost certainly exaggerates his VIP connections, but I think he has some and had proven it to his victims during previous encounters, perhaps by showing them photos.

• Jessica Taylor worked the streets in a bad neighborhood. She was not online as far as we know. So the LISK (assuming he is also the Manorville killer, which I think he is) was comfortable enough with that area to pick up JT and probably other prostitutes without seeming either memorable or suspicious.

These are two reasons why I think he has been both wealthy and down-at-the-heels, and can plausibly move between two very different worlds.
 
Excellent theory, Aleph!

You have definitely opened my eyes to new possibilities and given me some new ideas to think about.

I would be Very surprised if the perp didn't have a juvenile record of some kind that is sealed or expunged. I also agree that it's very possible the perp has been in rehab at least once.

It didn't occur to me that the perp might be getting his LE knowledge from the sources you mentioned. Thanks for pointing that out.

Do you think the perp might be a current smoker if he has an addictive personaltiy? I keep going back and forth on that idea.

Thanks!

I think he probably is a smoker, but of the "Wow, I didn't know you smoked!" variety, as opposed to a chain smoker. Despite his brash personality, I don't think he would smoke when in fancier situations where it might be looked down upon. He tries to be a chameleon as he moves between these two different worlds.
 
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