Rape allegations mount against Bill Cosby #3

[wendiesan]

http://www.post-gazette.com/ae/thea...Hall-canceled-Pittsburgh/stories/201502100162

Heinz Hall is now out too.

Heinz Hall management issued a news release Tuesday announcing that the 77-year-old comedian’s scheduled show there Feb. 21 had been canceled and that refunds would be given. Management did not offer a reason for the cancellation, but it came three weeks after a petition drive was launched on change.org to postpone the show until sexual assault allegations against the comedian had been addressed.

More than 2,200 people signed the petition that read in part, “Heinz Hall has been a leader in our city’s cultural revitalization and as we continue to progress in society’s recognition of rape-culture, please be a leader now.”

 

[SwampMama]

http://news.artnet.com/in-brief/tee...f-bill-cosby-naked-for-tv-hall-of-fame-247694

"Edwards's ambition for his sculpture—whose proposal will be officially unveiled at the Cory Allen Contemporary Art gallery in Florida* on February 20—is that it can eventually replace the statues of Cosby currently on display at the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences Hall of Fame in Hollywood and at Disney World in Florida."

That statue is just repulsive. When I see "art" like this, I feel like this artist is using a controversial topic that is in the news simply to gain attention. What he has created there is not so much an expression of artistic talent but a cheap shot to gain fame. He may have some talent, but wrapping it in controversy pretty much ensures that it will be getting people talking about it more than his talent ever could.

So he seriously think HIS statue would be put in place of the other BC statues? His "ambition" is too see them displayed at Disney and other places statue of BC has been displayed? Wow, he thinks a lot of his work, now doesn't he? WTH would he think anyone would like to look at a naked (alleged) rapist? It is definitely NOT a child friendly statue that could be shown at Disney. The "happiest place on earth" doesn't need a gross statue of a chubby, elderly man who has been accused of some pretty horrific things.

 

[Nova]

^^^^ I don't know. Haven't you described most teenagers in the world? I see the shock value and I don't think we have to worry that Disney will commission that statute for their parks.

Certainly most artists create work that reflects their view of the world, so naturally they think THEIR art is the best and most accurate representation.

The young sculptor's piece is about stripping the "Dr. Huxtable" facade away from the accused-rapist BC. I think the work does a pretty good job of accomplishing that much.

 

[Donjeta]

HOLLYWOOD -- In the 1970s and the '80s, I covered the Hollywood scene, first as a photographer, then as a photo-journalist, taking pictures and writing columns for magazines such as Photoplay. I covered the Hollywood scene every night of the week and saw things that later turned out to be significant.

On many occasions, I saw Bill Cosby exit private parties, at nightclubs, in the company of stunning women. Since he was married, we were asked not to photograph them, and we respected his wishes. (Today, the paparazzi hunt for those kinds of photos.) On more than one occasion, the ladies looked falling-down drunk and needed to be assisted to his car.

All these years later, after nearly 30 women have come out publicly, saying they were drugged, it appears we may have witnessed a crime in the making.
http://www.fontanaheraldnews.com/entertainment/article_f2137240-b222-11e4-b146-2bee9773468a.html

 

[wendiesan]

HOLLYWOOD -- In the 1970s and the '80s, I covered the Hollywood scene, first as a photographer, then as a photo-journalist, taking pictures and writing columns for magazines such as Photoplay. I covered the Hollywood scene every night of the week and saw things that later turned out to be significant. On many occasions, I saw Bill Cosby exit private parties, at nightclubs, in the company of stunning women. Since he was married, we were asked not to photograph them, and we respected his wishes. (Today, the paparazzi hunt for those kinds of photos.) On more than one occasion, the ladies looked falling-down drunk and needed to be assisted to his car. All these years later, after nearly 30 women have come out publicly, saying they were drugged, it appears we may have witnessed a crime in the making.
http://www.fontanaheraldnews.com/entertainment/article_f2137240-b222-11e4-b146-2bee9773468a.html

Donjeta, wouldn't the National Enquirer stringers have still taken photos, even if they weren't published? Would the Enquirer have gone along with a request to hush up BC's extra-marital activities? If there were photos, would papers have archived them whether or not they were used? Would photographers have kept them for their own records? IIRC, BC threw his daughter under the bus, giving the Enquirer a story about her drug problem in exchange for them not running a story. But, wouldn't the Enquirer have the photos locked away somewhere from the original story?

 

[Donjeta]

I don't know what the Enquirer would have done and I've no idea if they've ever published any photos with Cosby with women who aren't his wife. The person writing above says he wrote for Photoplay.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

From your link Donjeta:

"It seems difficult to accept Mr. Cosby's innocence in view of the fact that the man he built into a legacy of decency would be outraged by the accusations levied at him, and speak out against them. Unfortunately, in this case, his personal silence says volumes."

 

[Donjeta]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...drunk-rape-victims-partly-blame-attacked.html

One in four people believe drunk rape victims are partly to blame for being attacked
Shock findings published by the Office for National Statistics today
Teens and those in their late 50s are the least sympathetic to rape victims
It will trigger further debate about the role of consent in rape cases
Issue thrown into spotlight after rape conviction of footballer Ched Evans
Evans convicted of rape after a jury found victim was too drunk to consent

 

[Donjeta]

http://swarthmorephoenix.com/2015/02/12/bill-cosby/

Should Bill Cosby still hold an honorary degree?

Two women who say they were victimized by comedian Bill Cosby are set to detail their experiences at a press conference in Los Angeles Thursday morning, according to prominent attorney Gloria Allred.

The two women were models at the time, according to Allred, who represents these women and others who have accused Cosby of sexual abuse over the years.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...ill-Cosby-of-Sexual-Misconduct-291680891.html

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2015/02/12/3641784/bill-cosby-postpones-comedy-performance.html

BAKERSFIELD, CALIF. — Bill Cosby has postponed a comedy performance in Bakersfield, California, amid allegations of sexual abuse of women.

A message posted to the website of The Fox Theater states the Thursday night show has been postponed and the venue does not have a new date for the performance.

Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2015/...stpones-comedy-performance.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Slebby]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...drunk-rape-victims-partly-blame-attacked.html

One in four people believe drunk rape victims are partly to blame for being attacked
Shock findings published by the Office for National Statistics today
Teens and those in their late 50s are the least sympathetic to rape victims
It will trigger further debate about the role of consent in rape cases
Issue thrown into spotlight after rape conviction of footballer Ched Evans
Evans convicted of rape after a jury found victim was too drunk to consent

That is a sad statistic indeed. The follow up question I'd like to ask of the folks who blame rape victims for being attacked - "So what you're saying is that, if you saw a drunk woman, you'd consider her fair game for sex, due to her inability to give consent?" - or - "So what you're saying is that if you ever get very drunk you should expect sex to occur even if you're incapable of consent?" Or for that matter, any time you have been drunk in your life, you were fair game to have sex even if you're too impaired to know what you're doing?"

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[BirdycatNY]

Two more women come forward with sexual assault/drug-facilitated assault allegations against BC. According to Mrs. Allred, there are other survivors/victims that may be willing to come forward at some point.

Bill Cosby: 'Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde,' says new accuser
Maria Puente, USA TODAY 5:56 p.m. EST February 12, 2015
"Mr. Cosby thinks that this will soon be over and that no more women will come forward," Allred said. "He is very wrong. I still have many women who have not yet come forward but who are willing to do so in the future."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...jekyll-and-mr-hyde-says-new-accuser/23313837/

"I Felt Like a Rag Doll": 2 Former Models Accuse Bill Cosby of Drugging Them
By Asher Klein
NBC Los Angeles
From the article:
"Bill Cosby appears to think that rape is a joke," Lublin said. "Well let me tell you something, Bill: I'm not laughing."
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...ill-Cosby-of-Sexual-Misconduct-291680891.html

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Apparently new allegations against Cosby have become so commonplace that they don't even merit placement on the Google news home page.

SMH.

 

[wendiesan]

Shockingly enough, men drugging women (or vice versa, though, apparently that is less common) is common.

“This is common enough that we debated whether to include it as a diagnosis in the D.S.M. 5,” psychiatrists’ influential diagnostic manual, said Dr. Michael First, a Columbia psychiatrist and an editorial consultant on the manual. But the idea was shelved, in part because of concerns that doing so would give rapists added recourse in legal cases, he said. A third and far less common motive is a rare kind of “paraphilia"— an unusual sexual preference that becomes compulsive. “In this case, it’s a preference for unresponsive partners,” Dr. Cantor said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/09/health/when-rapists-weapon-is-a-drug.html?_r=0

I remember paraphilia being discussed in an earlier thread, but I'd forgotten rape when the weapon is a drug was so prevalent.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

That is a sad statistic indeed. The follow up question I'd like to ask of the folks who blame rape victims for being attacked - "So what you're saying is that, if you saw a drunk woman, you'd consider her fair game for sex, due to her inability to give consent?" - or - "So what you're saying is that if you ever get very drunk you should expect sex to occur even if you're incapable of consent?" Or for that matter, any time you have been drunk in your life, you were fair game to have sex even if you're too impaired to know what you're doing?"

Imo


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Excellent perspective.

Another variation:

So what you're saying is, if you saw your own daughter obviously too drunk to give consent, and she confided later that she was raped while in that state, you would just tell her she was to blame?

 

[Donjeta]

What I'd like to ask them is, if you saw a drunk woman would you think it's right for you to rape her?

We were talking about evidence that puts the accusers in the same place as Bill Cosby and one of the newest accusers has a photo of herself with Cosby.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/...n-lise-lotte-lublin-bill-cosby_n_6672366.html

 

[JLSChook]

From your link, Donjeta

More than 20 women have come forward to date to accuse Cosby of sexual assault. Allred said, "Every day, including on weekends, I am being contacted by more women."

She also alluded to at least one victim who was allegedly assaulted in Canada, which has no statute of limitations for sexual assault cases.

 

[BirdycatNY]

Bill Cosby has 2 new accusers. Read the entire timeline of allegations against him.
Updated by Jenée Desmond-Harris on February 14, 2015, 8:00 a.m. ET
http://www.vox.com/2015/2/14/8036201/cosby-sexual-assault-allegations-timeline

A Timeline of the Abuse Charges Against Bill Cosby [Updated]
By Matt Giles and Nate Jones
Vulture
February 9, 2015 11:12 a.m.
http://www.vulture.com/2014/09/timeline-of-the-abuse-charges-against-cosby.html

Here's new/updated timelines of BC allegations

 

[wendiesan]

I don't care for Hustler's image or message--it's down towards the bottom of crude magazines, IMO.
So what does it say when that magazine, a pretty sleazy one at that, was naming and shaming BC ten years ago for doing exactly what these alleged victims are claiming?
There's an ad lampooning BC's clean cut image by portraying him as a roué drugging a young woman in his home. So, it seems that BC's habits were not only known back then but brought to the pubic's attention. Well, the Hustler's public anyway. I wonder where the cartoonist got his/her information.
FWIW, here's the site where interrobang shows the ad. It's not a Hustler site, but some people could be offended and might want to skip the information.

I should rephrase that. We're all offended already, not by the cartoon but by the alleged truth behind the cartoon.

http://theinterrobang.com/nsfw-bill-cosby-hustler-ad-takes-cosby-issues-almost-ten-years-ago/

 

[Donjeta]

I wonder where the cartoonist got his/her information.

August 2005 was after Andrea Constand, Tamara Green and Beth Ferrier had gone public with their stories.

 

[Donjeta]

Slightly OT but Cosby has recently made a public comment, just not about the rapes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/n...l-cosbys-famous-sweaters-dies-at-75.html?_r=0

Koos van den Akker, a Dutch-born fashion designer with a celebrity clientele who was called the “master of couture collage” for his prismatic creations, notably the bold sweaters popularized by Bill Cosby on his long-running television sitcom, died on Feb. 3 in Manhattan. He was 75.

It was Ms. Premice who asked him to design a sweater as a gift for her friend Mr. Cosby. The actor and comedian liked it so much that he ordered more, each one of a kind, and wore them on “The Cosby Show,” even though Mr. van den Akker himself had misgivings about his creations. The sweaters — dizzying riots of shapes and colors — toed “a very thin line between absolutely awful and something of genius,” the designer told Vice magazine in a 2012 video interview.

Mr. Cosby said in a telephone interview on Thursday that the sweaters “were works of art whether you liked them or not.”

“I have purchased and worn approximately 14 of his works of art,” he said.