Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #13

[oceanblueeyes]

There has to be some reason to release a portion of the 911 call. Is there something in it that doesn't "jell"?

Why is that? Many times excerpts will be released then if and when there is a trial the entire 911 call will be heard.

I imagine they are hoping someone will have an ounce of decency and call LE and tell them what they know so that justice can be brought for these innocent victims.

imoo

 

[FlowerChild]

Clip from http://newsok.com/article3256335


"Still no suspects
Three days later, the families of both of the victims don't know much more than they did that first night.
In a news conference Wednesday, Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation agent Ben Rosser said investigators are trying to find children who talked to the girls often and knew their habits.

"We're talking to young people because the victims were young,” Rosser said. "We've got leads, and we're talking to their friends, but a lot of people are harder to find than others.”

Earlier Wednesday, investigators said two guns were used in the killings.

Jimmy Farrow said he'd been told that the first night.

"They said there was a high-powered weapon and a low-powered weapon,” Jimmy Farrow said. "One of the TV stations showed shell casings piled up in the road where it happened.”

I hate to beat a dead horse, but to me shell casings piled up in the road where it happened mean one of the guns was probably a shotgun.

They found BULLET CASINGS not shotgun shells. There is a difference. Shotgun shells are not bullet casings - two totally different things - even the media at the scene saw the bullet casings. No-one saw shotgun shells and no-one heard a shotgun firing - and trust me, there is a distinctive difference between the sound of a shotgun and a handgun or even a rifle. Nothing else sounds like a shotgun.

And shotguns don't shoot bullets, they shoot "shot" - buckshot or birdshot. A shotgun wound is totally different from a bullet wound.
More info on shotguns vs handguns vs rifles and ammunition for each
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birdshot#Birdshot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handgun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullets
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartridge_(weaponry)

My Opinion

 

[YellowDog]

410 shotguns have shells not bullets.

It does have brass where the firing pin hits the shell to ignite gunpowder when firing but it is not pointed. When fired it explodes outward once it leaves the barrel spraying pellets toward the target. In a shotgun the shells do not eject but remains in the gun until they are removed.

imoo

Are there different types of loads for a 410? I'm almost sure these are metallic cased.

 

[frogjustfrog]

This article has a picture of Joe Mosher. It may be someone else you wanted a picture of.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080612_11_A1_hOSBIs543824

Uuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggg! I know that face too, just like I know Peter Placker's and Linda Placker's.
As I have said before, I havent lived there since 2000. Is anyone in here good enough a sluether to find out where Plackers lived before they lived in OKC? I think they moved BACK to the Bryant area from OKC.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Are there different types of loads for a 410? I'm almost sure these are metallic cased.

I am not sure what you are asking, Yellow Dog.

Even though a 410s shell is smaller it is basically made like other shotgun shells. There is a brass metal cap on the end that will be closest to the firing pin but I have never seen a shotgun shell that is fully brass like a bullet casing is. Usually the rest of the shell is a hard plastic.

imoo

 

[GetSmart]

Yellow they have slugs.. google 410 ammo and click the image search maybe you will see what you have ??

I found this site from the FBI very detailed...& educational..

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/fsc/backissu/april2004/research/2004_02_research02.htm

Forensic Science Communications

Introduction
A primary element in the analysis of many shooting incidents is distance determination—the distance from the gun muzzle to the entry wound. The criteria most commonly used in this determination is the presence or absence of gunshot residue, the pattern diameter, and the type and distribution of gunshot residue. However, common protocols fail to consider the effect that hair may have upon the deposition of gunshot residue. There have been recent cases in which the absence of gunshot residue on the scalp was classified as evidence of a distant-range gunshot when other evidence supported a close-range gunshot.
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In this manuscript, gunshot residue is defined as visible soot deposit particles, not the usual meaning of chemically or instrumentally detected primer and propellant residues. [/FONT]
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/fsc/backissu/april2004/research/2004_02_research02.htm

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Are there different types of loads for a 410? I'm almost sure these are metallic cased.

Do they look like this?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=104498655#PIC

 

[Claycat]

You know how the woman who heard the gun shots is named Kelough? Well, it seems other people from the area, who are also named Kelough and some who are related to them have records of assault with dangerous weapons and drug charges.

For instance, someone told me that this young man is related to the Keloughs and is always in trouble. I wonder if they have checked these people out?

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/s...RTAL30&doc_num=512524&offender_book_id=302018

 

[frogjustfrog]

Does anyone know why LE would release to the news that they are going to be releasing more info on Monday? Why not release the info today?

Maybe a random question, but, I am confused.

Hi Floss
I imagine they are waiting til monday to hold the conference because this is when the Courthouse will be open. It is otherwise closed for the weekend.
frog:froggie:

 

[GetSmart]

Does any of Locals know Dan.. if so maybe he might have some insight or info..
http://www.kjrh.com/content/aboutus/bios/story.aspx?content_id=dca67bff-1ca8-45c2-8e2c-06f2655c1180

Born in Oklahoma and raised in the small town of Weleetka, Oklahoma. Married his high school sweetheart and his been married for over 29 years with two wonderful children.
After high school Dan worked in radio in Duncan then in Lawton. Dan studied meteorology at the University of Oklahoma and completed his Bachelors of Science degree in meteorology at Mississippi State University. Dan has also received a Bachelors of Arts degree in communication from the University of Central Oklahoma.
He has been a meteorologist in Oklahoma for over 28 years.


A poster on topix mentioned this..

Simply Sleuthing wrote:
Anyone bother looking into a Threlkeld"/"Placker " connection?
Peter/Vicky Placker= Arvey Henry Placker.
Arvey Placker= Candice D. Threlkeld aka Candice D. Placker.
Candice D. Threlkeld Placker= Margaret Elizabeth Threlkeld.
Margaret Elizabeth Threlkeld=Daniel Thomas Threlkeld.

 

[frogjustfrog]

Does any of Locals know Dan.. if so maybe he might have some insight or info..
http://www.kjrh.com/content/aboutus/bios/story.aspx?content_id=dca67bff-1ca8-45c2-8e2c-06f2655c1180

Born in Oklahoma and raised in the small town of Weleetka, Oklahoma. Married his high school sweetheart and his been married for over 29 years with two wonderful children.
After high school Dan worked in radio in Duncan then in Lawton. Dan studied meteorology at the University of Oklahoma and completed his Bachelors of Science degree in meteorology at Mississippi State University. Dan has also received a Bachelors of Arts degree in communication from the University of Central Oklahoma.
He has been a meteorologist in Oklahoma for over 28 years.


A poster on topix mentioned this..

Simply Sleuthing wrote:
Anyone bother looking into a Threlkeld"/"Placker " connection?
Peter/Vicky Placker= Arvey Henry Placker.
Arvey Placker= Candice D. Threlkeld aka Candice D. Placker.
Candice D. Threlkeld Placker= Margaret Elizabeth Threlkeld.
Margaret Elizabeth Threlkeld=Daniel Thomas Threlkeld.

I'm not even sure what the = signs mean! :crazy:

 

[YellowDog]

Yellow they have slugs.. google 410 ammo and click the image search maybe you will see what you have ??

I found this site from the FBI very detailed...& educational..

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/fsc/backissu/april2004/research/2004_02_research02.htm

Forensic Science Communications

Introduction
A primary element in the analysis of many shooting incidents is distance determination—the distance from the gun muzzle to the entry wound. The criteria most commonly used in this determination is the presence or absence of gunshot residue, the pattern diameter, and the type and distribution of gunshot residue. However, common protocols fail to consider the effect that hair may have upon the deposition of gunshot residue. There have been recent cases in which the absence of gunshot residue on the scalp was classified as evidence of a distant-range gunshot when other evidence supported a close-range gunshot.
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In this manuscript, gunshot residue is defined as visible soot deposit particles, not the usual meaning of chemically or instrumentally detected primer and propellant residues. [/FONT]
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/fsc/backissu/april2004/research/2004_02_research02.htm

That was interesting. Thanks. Maybe they are slugs.

 

[GetSmart]

Frog I do not know..I am thinking it was used instead of a dash or shows the connection

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Was the information for the sketch given by one eye witness or several?

I noticed he favored him somewhat but the real perp looked much younger in real life than the sketch.

imoo

The sketch was given by several. Yes, he did turn out to be younger, but the actual details were right on the money. The witnesses misjudged his age, imo.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

LOL So Topix is now saying that Dan Threlkeld is related to the case. Oh, Spare me the details please.

 

[frogjustfrog]

Frog I do not know..I am thinking it was used instead of a dash or shows the connection

If that's the case, then it doesnt make alot of sense to me. Because Petra and Arvie Placker is Peter Plackers parents.

still wondering if they lived in that area before OKC. Almost sure of it. Byrd lived in area, then OKC. almost sure of it, even tho they released him, this is still in my mind. Remember, I lived around there for about 40 years.

 

[YellowDog]

Do they look like this?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=104498655#PIC

Nope, they don't look like those.

 

[YellowDog]

After looking at some of those photos of gunshot wounds that Get Smart linked me to, I don't think I'll ever load it up. They looked horrible and I might shoot my big toe off.

 

[YellowDog]

Are any of either of the victims family members NA? The reason I ask is because when I first took an interest in this case, I remember seeing a photo of someone connected in some way to one of the families that I thought looked a lot like the composite drawing of the POI but I can't for the life of me remember who it was. I remember thinking.....maybe that's him.

 

[GetSmart]

Yellow maybe it was in either one of the myspace pages or the inmate pics of the crew