They need to arrest John Ramsey soon...

[Maybe So]

An innocent person would have their family travel to them, not leave the area. A guilty person leaving is called "flight of conscousness" I believe is the legal term. It's what O.J. did in the White Bronco chase and Scott Peterson also tried to head for the Mexican border, only he stopped to play golf on the way.

I don't know. If you didn't want to break the news to your older children over the phone you might want to go to them and tell them in person and be with them....

 

[LinasK]

I don't know. If you didn't want to break the news to your older children over the phone you might want to go to them and tell them in person and be with them....

If that was truly the case, the Ramsey's could well have afforded to have flown them out to Colorado.

 

[Tristan]

The cell phone records were cleared out before the police were given access.

HOW were the cell phone records cleared out?

Only someone inside the phone company can do that.


Anyone?

 

[LinasK]

Yes, I realize that they are 2 different things, however, the result was the same in both cases (murder). And in both cases, the living family members (In ISP case, the perpetrator) did not want to go stay with a neighbor or in a hotel nearby, they wanted to get FAR FAR away from the scene of the crime. Which I would think is normal if the "someone" who participated in the crime was also the "someone" who perpetrated it.

Continuing with plans to go on a family vacation only hours after one of the family members has been murdered is strange IMO.

And... both O.J. and Scott were headed for the Mexican border, out of the country! O.J. was traveling down 405 when spotted in Orange County. For both of them, driving was the preferred route rather than flying down there like the guy in Nevada (Darren Mack?) that just murdered his wife.

 

[SleuthingSleuth]

HOW were the cell phone records cleared out?

Only someone inside the phone company can do that.


Anyone?

Hmm...perhaps it was meant that the records on the cell phones themselves were wiped out, if that's possible...and I guess...the police couldn't get further access than that?

I've been looking for clear info about all of the phone records myself.

 

[dottierainbow]

Hi Michelle,
Here's some good reading for you. Don't forget to count me in, a Ramsey did not do it. I have not seen evidence only speculation.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_408302,00.html

That is exactly why I dont understand. How can they have no evidence against the Ramseys but so many are "sure" of their guilt?

Amy

 

[marly56]

lilpony--what exactly are you saying? that you can't believe the R's killed their daughter? molested their daughter'? the garrote? the paintbrush? which part? or all parts?

if you ''keyword''- Belinda Schultz Fleet White Ramsey- you will get a wealth of information about this woman Belinda who came forward in the year 2000 and said that fleet white sr [who's son fleet white jr, is a close friend of john ramsey] molested her along with other children at ''holiday parties'', the way she described it as if this was some kind of group that would molest children. she also says that this garroting[choking] was used to make the child appear to be orgasmic.also she says the reason this group held these molestations during the holidays was to give the children time to heal and that this group would hit the children inthe head because the wounds would be covered by their hair to hide the abuse.that the children were hit for noncompliance.,...if belindas story is true.. my question...was KARR there? was it an accident? even if he was not there as a witness, did he hear it through the childporn grapevine? these are very powerful people involved ...and law enforcement refused to ''Believe'' Belinda.

 

[s_finch]

Because contrary to what some here imply, the evidence isn't sooooooooo great to point to their guilt.

Do people lhonestly think that if the evidence was there for an almsot certain ramsey hanging that the DA wouldn't have busted one of them by now? COME ON. They arrested a guy based on some emails. If they had this supposed "smoking gun" evidence for ramsey guilt they'd have acted on it.

The longer the case goes on the WORSE they look.

Look, I am not saying the ramseys are 100% but it is common sense to see they arent easily guilty since they'd have been charged by now.

Sorry, but unfortunately common sense has not prevailed in this case, if it had, there would have been indictments handed down long before now. Yes, I honestly believe that the evidence could be there to indict the R's and yet they could get away with it. JR has money, clout, connections---"the guy we're not supposed to mention anymore" had none of those. I'm not a complete RDI, but I do believe that if they weren't personally responsible, JR and PR did know/knew who did it. Patsy can't talk anymore, not that they let her talk anyway, and who knows what Burke knows but he won't be talking either. John will take it with him to his grave also and maybe, just maybe, many years from now when it's safe for them to do so, someone who knows the truth will tell it.

 

[christine2448]

michelle...anything & everything you ever wanted to know about JBR's death is here....

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20136

Wow, thanks, a ton of info!

 

[christine2448]

--->>>I for one would like to see ALL of the telephone records for Christmas Day AM, until 2 PM December 26th.

WE would know then who called whom, and what time anyone was called, 10 PM, 11PM, 12PM, 1AM etc etc.

Bank records would be good too, HOW much JR cash receivables the end of 1997 when JR sold his plane at a loss to his private pilot.

WE never knew ANY of this, which leaves wonderment for me.

Plus all of the ODD behaviors that WE have never seen in Marc Klaas, Ms. Runnion, Walsh etc. etc. OR ANY murdered childs parent.

.

TEETER/TOTTER, TEETER/TOTTER

 

[less0305]

If that was truly the case, the Ramsey's could well have afforded to have flown them out to Colorado.

Exactly....as in "Plans have changed. We need you to come to Colorado. Something terrible has happened and we all need to be together here right now, so I've arranged for you to fly here at this time on this plane."

 

[BBB167893]

All I ask is a place to say my piece, and you will see the evidence I can give you.

 

[emmcee]

What is the latest info on Burke? Is he still in school? I used to think maybe he 'accidently' killed his sister and his parents covered up for him. Now I'm leaning toward John doing it and Patsy covering for him. Either way, I think Patsy's stress of covering for a family member contributed to her fatal illness. If Burke is innocent but suspects that his dad is guilty, would he be likely to 'accidently' 'spill the beans' while out partying some night? (Assuming he parties like most guys his age.) I simply haven't heard much about him, and he was rather in the middle of things there.

 

[michelle]

Hi Michelle,
Here's some good reading for you. Don't forget to count me in, a Ramsey did not do it. I have not seen evidence only speculation.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_408302,00.html
Amy

Thanks Amy!! :blowkiss:

 

[BBB167893]

michelle, almost all of the intruder points can be refuted.

Remember: there's no such thing as a perfect case. Doesn't happen except in Hollywood.

 

[michelle]

michelle, almost all of the intruder points can be refuted.

Remember: there's no such thing as a perfect case. Doesn't happen except in Hollywood.

Oh I know, this case makes me crazy, I just want someone to own up to it and he held accountable. Its so sad.

 

[BBB167893]

It sure is.