Trial - Ross Harris #4

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So sexting is what makes this case a crime and not an accident.

He's been charged with

Count 6 - Criminal Attempt to Commit a Felony - "..the accused did request that a minor female...provide a photograph and visual medium involving a lewd exhibition of her genital and pubic area..."

Count 7 - Dissemination of *advertiser censored* to Minors - "..accused did knowingly disseminate and furnish a minor female printed matter containing explicit and detailed verbal descriptions and narrative accounts of sexual excitement and sexual conduct..."

Count 8 - Dissemination of *advertiser censored* to Minors - "..accused person did knowingly disseminate and furnish to a minor female a photograph and visual image of a portion of the human body which depicted sexually explicit nudity, to wit: a photograph and visual image of uncovered male genitals in a discernibly turgid state.."


https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=MWzsQdG5fY4

In the video from court chatter with a defense lawyer very familiar with this case he states if convicted Harris faces around 12 years in prison.
He's been indicted on 8 additional counts of sex charges and if convicted and sentenced to the max could face an additional 46 years. This would be a separate trial.
 
No way of knowing. But that's one possibility, as is Cooper being quiet then falling asleep, among other possibilities.

Yes. Cooper could have been awake but lethargic and then fell asleep.
 
I often leave my house to go to work, and by the time I get to my garden gate I suddenly think "Did I lock the door?" I remember locking it - or at least I think I do. Or am I remembering locking it yesterday morning? Routine memories all tend to run together. So I have to go back and check. Sometimes more than once!

Other times I will be walking to work and will suddenly realise that I've walked past where I needed to be, or gone the wrong way. My brain goes into autopilot when I'm thinking about something else, and takes me along a different familiar route. I've even done this when taking a small pet to the vet in a box - whilst carrying the box in my arms, I've walked straight past the vet and had to double back when I realised. Whilst carrying the pet in my arms and worrying about them and thinking about the upcoming vet visit, I walked straight past the vet... I didn't forget about the pet, my brain just went into autopilot because I was too busy worrying to focus on how to get to my intended location.

I do tend to be an absent-minded sort of person when my mind is on other things, but there's nothing actually wrong with my memory and I don't think my experiences are rare. They might not happen to every person every day, but they're certainly not rare.

Is it possible Ross went into autopilot within 30 seconds, forgot to take his son to daycare and then assumed he had already taken him? Yes, from my own experiences I think it's definitely possible.

However, you did remember at some point didn't you? Sounds like you did. I forget things, I go in autopilot but at some point I remember,
 
Yes but that is because the route from the house was over 20 minutes!! Apparently they'd never fed the kid breakfast and just threw him in the car every day probably still half asleep. This was apparently some huge treat to go INSIDE CF so it would have been exciting and new etc. I'm sorry but to fall asleep after that all In less than 30 seconds? I have some swamp land to sell you.
JMHO: The unusual, out-of-norm trip inside ChikFilA was to get on video record a darling, loving Daddy who took has Buddy to breakfast on the way to school (yay me!!!). One last chance to show this before he baked his son to death. Records show that he usually used the drive thru. Or went by himself after dropping off the baby at daycare. Kinda feels like premeditation moo
 
He's been charged with

Count 6 - Criminal Attempt to Commit a Felony - "..the accused did request that a minor female...provide a photograph and visual medium involving a lewd exhibition of her genital and pubic area..."

Count 7 - Dissemination of *advertiser censored* to Minors - "..accused did knowingly disseminate and furnish a minor female printed matter containing explicit and detailed verbal descriptions and narrative accounts of sexual excitement and sexual conduct..."

Count 8 - Dissemination of *advertiser censored* to Minors - "..accused person did knowingly disseminate and furnish to a minor female a photograph and visual image of a portion of the human body which depicted sexually explicit nudity, to wit: a photograph and visual image of uncovered male genitals in a discernibly turgid state.."


https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=MWzsQdG5fY4

In the video from court chatter with a defense lawyer very familiar with this case he states if convicted Harris faces around 12 years in prison.
He's been indicted on 8 additional counts of sex charges and if convicted and sentenced to the max could face an additional 46 years. This would be a separate trial.

Thanks for reminding me of some of the charges in this case.

I'll try to be more specific in future posts so members will know what charges I'm talking about.

Malice murder and felony murder.
 
Did RH have the radio on in the car? That could have masked any sounds coming from Cooper.


I think he had the radio on and even mentioned the station ;)
 
The new 8 count indictment (March 3, 2016) which per Georgia lawyer could result, if convicted on all 8, in over 40 years in prison

http://media.wix.com/ugd/943520_dea5702bbc3849178f39bc063c0bc78f.pdf

Thanks for posting the link to the other charges that RH faces.

I don't understand why the State has the same charges in this trial and also in the second trial?

Why didn't they separate the malice murder and felony murder charges from the exploiting children/disseminating harmful material to minors charges? The second batch of charges are the same type as counts 6,7, and 8 in this trial.

Did the State want the jury in this trial to know about the despicable nature of the defendant in order to inflame and anger them and to insure a guilty verdict for malice murder?

Why two trials for one defendant on the same charges? To insure a guilty verdict from at least one of two jury's? To allow the State to push things to the limit in the first trial, notwithstanding an appeal then to fall back on a conviction in the second trial?

I don't like this at all.
 
I can't hang a guilty verdict on a maybe he was awake or maybe he wasn't. Or RH should have (fill in the blank) because the carseat was close. Sorry I can't do it. I need more.

I have reasonable doubt.

True. At this point, even though I believe that he 'probably' did this ugly thing impulsively , spur of the moment.... I have not seen 100% iron clad proof that he did so.

At this point I would lean towards Negligence.

But I don't think that a sleeping baby automatically makes him innocent either. JMO
 
True. At this point, even though I believe that he 'probably' did this ugly thing impulsively , spur of the moment.... I have not seen 100% iron clad proof that he did so.

At this point I would lean towards Negligence.

But I don't think that a sleeping baby automatically makes him innocent either. JMO

How about the witness who was in jail with him and said RH was acting totaaly unconcerned?
 
True. At this point, even though I believe that he 'probably' did this ugly thing impulsively , spur of the moment.... I have not seen 100% iron clad proof that he did so.

At this point I would lean towards Negligence.

But I don't think that a sleeping baby automatically makes him innocent either. JMO

Thank you very much Katy. RH was definitely negligent and that caused Coopers death. He is responsible for his death.

I'm interested in knowing what the jury instructions will be to the jury to help them decide whether RH is criminally negligent or simply negligent. One means RH goes to prison, the other means he doesn't.

Well, at least not on the murder charges. He's going to prison on the other charges for sure. JMO
 
So sexting is what makes this case a crime and not an accident.

YEs, for two reasons. ONE, sexting minors IS a crime. So his child lay dying while he was committing a felony. That seems problematic.

And TWO, if he forgot about his child because he was working an extra shift to make the rent, or was caring for a family member with a serious illness, then we would see it as circumstances beyond his control, that created a tragic situation. There would be sympathy for his tragic situation.

But if a father CHOOSES to say up until 3 am sexting, then gets up at 5 am and begins immediately trying to set up random hook ups, then he has no excuse, imo, for blaming fatigue or stress for the tragic incident.


If he 'accidentally' left his child in the car because he was drunk or high , gambling in a casino, and lost track of time, then he'd be found GUILTY, most likely. And I think that CHOOSING to spends hours and hours, until 3 am, sexting/texting, is the same kind of addiction as drinking or getting high.
 
Thanks for posting the link to the other charges that RH faces.

I don't understand why the State has the same charges in this trial and also in the second trial?

Why didn't they separate the malice murder and felony murder charges from the exploiting children/disseminating harmful material to minors charges? The second batch of charges are the same type as counts 6,7, and 8 in this trial.

Did the State want the jury in this trial to know about the despicable nature of the defendant in order to inflame and anger them and to insure a guilty verdict for malice murder?

Why two trials for one defendant on the same charges? To insure a guilty verdict from at least one of two jury's? To allow the State to push things to the limit in the first trial, notwithstanding an appeal then to fall back on a conviction in the second trial?

I don't like this at all.

I believe the 2nd set of charges involves other underage girls. The charges included in this trial stayed in due to the relevance of him texting during the day while Cooper was dying. The other charges are separate because they occurred on a different day(s).
 
YEs, for two reasons. ONE, sexting minors IS a crime. So his child lay dying while he was committing a felony. That seems problematic.

And TWO, if he forgot about his child because he was working an extra shift to make the rent, or was caring for a family member with a serious illness, then we would see it as circumstances beyond his control, that created a tragic situation. There would be sympathy for his tragic situation.

But if a father CHOOSES to say up until 3 am sexting, then gets up at 5 am and begins immediately trying to set up random hook ups, then he has no excuse, imo, for blaming fatigue or stress for the tragic incident.


If he 'accidentally' left his child in the car because he was drunk or high , gambling in a casino, and lost track of time, then he'd be found GUILTY, most likely. And I think that CHOOSING to spends hours and hours, until 3 am, sexting/texting, is the same kind of addiction as drinking or getting high.

So the type of distraction makes it a crime? I don't understand.
 
Thanks for posting the link to the other charges that RH faces.

I don't understand why the State has the same charges in this trial and also in the second trial?

Why didn't they separate the malice murder and felony murder charges from the exploiting children/disseminating harmful material to minors charges? The second batch of charges are the same type as counts 6,7, and 8 in this trial.

Did the State want the jury in this trial to know about the despicable nature of the defendant in order to inflame and anger them and to insure a guilty verdict for malice murder?

Why two trials for one defendant on the same charges? To insure a guilty verdict from at least one of two jury's? To allow the State to push things to the limit in the first trial, notwithstanding an appeal then to fall back on a conviction in the second trial?

I don't like this at all.

NO, I think they wanted the jury to know about all of the texting/sexting and random hook ups for a few important reasons.

It shows a possible motive, in that he led a double life and might have wanted to fully engage in the dark side.

Also, it was important to show that he complained about his son, and the way it drained him financially and emotionally.

And it was vital for them to see that his priority was NOT his son nor his job. His primary focus seemed to be his sexual escapades. The only was one can even imagine a parentt could abandon their child so cruelly would be if they were somewhat mentally unbalanced/sociopathic. And the sheer volume of random hook ups, sexts, calls messages, apps, etc, show us how obsessed he was.
 
I believe the 2nd set of charges involves other underage girls. The charges included in this trial stayed in due to the relevance of him texting during the day while Cooper was dying. The other charges are separate because they occurred on a different day(s).

Thanks. So they decided to have two trial's because the crimes happened on different days.

At a minimum it's an extreme waste of taxpayers money that I find despicable and in the other it doesn't make any sense. There's different count's with different victims for the second batch. Should they split those into separate trials also.

It's ridiculous in my opinion.
 
I learned quite a few things today:

1. Kilgore and Rodriguez does not want the jury seeing evidence. One would think if this case was just about forgotten baby syndrome that their own hired expert would be enough to win for them. Why the need to suppress evidence or constantly debate about simply looking inside the vehicle Cooper died? Kilgore filed for a mistrial after the car viewing even though the conditions under which to view the car was his idea to begin with. He's the one who wanted the car viewed outdoors and not in a garage, but he still proceeded to argue against the entire thing because of the time of year and the weather. What the heck?

2. JRH not only lived a double life, his set up his electronic devices to keep his different lives separate. He had a hidden folder on his smartphone and appeared to use two separate browsers on his computer for the same purpose of keeping his live(s) separate. The browser he used to google certain things and access pages about divorce and jury selections was cleared. The other was not. I think anyone with two brain cells to rub together can deduce for themselves that JRH was covering his tracks from someone - if not his wife then the authorities. IMO JRH was leaving just enough information so as to not look suspicious.

3. In the middle of court today, JRH's own defense lawyer Rodriguez said JRH googled high schools because allegedly JRH is a referee. We don't know that for sure, but let's say it's true. It still looks bad because according to court evidence JRH is out having sex almost exclusively with barely legal teenagers and has been caught sexting with kids as young as 15. Not only he is targeting barely legal teenagers for sexual favors, JRH is now looking for high schools to be referee. It's not like JRH doesn't have enough to keep him busy. He's trying to start a company, right? He has church activities to attend to. He's got buddies to hang out with. He has a troubled marriage that needs to be worked on and a growing son to worry about. He can conceivably take up stamp collecting or some other "at home" hobby. If JRH is so worried about temptation then he should be staying far far away from every high school ever built. To me, that takes JRH out of the realm of "harmless pervert" (is there such a thing?) and squarely into the category of potential predator.

Nothing the defense has said has proven true yet. The defense, from the beginning, has said that JRH was a married father who wanted to have his cake and eat it too. We are finding that wasn't the case at all. JRH was an unhappily married man who saw his son as an impediment to the life he really wanted per his own text messages and advice to his extracurricular "friends." All evidence points to JRH being torn between the life he committed to and the life he really wanted live.

From the beginning the defense has said that JRH has no consciousness of guilt because he didn't delete anything from his devices. Welp, now we're learning JRH sure did delete a lot of stuff, particularly the stuff about divorce, jury selection, and getaway vacations with two adults and no child. The defense has a lot of explaning to do since they are the ones who are saying that JRH couldn't have possibly killed his own kid on purpose since he was planning on taking Cooper on the cruise.

Others have said it, and I'll say it too - this trial has been a complete waste of taxpayer dollars and JRH should have thrown himself at the mercy of the court instead of dragging out a jury trial. The fact that he has this much evidence against him and he still chooses to try his case before a jury shows he is once again trying to escape responsibility. Most normal people, when faced with a mountain of incriminating evidence would be like "okay, it's pointless to fight it, plea for leniency." This guy doesn't. JRH is so convinced of his own self-importance that he's willing to drag total strangers out of living their everyday lives to sit and listen to this pointless nonsense. I may have decided to waste my time listening to all this but nobody else in that courtroom did except for JRH and his defense attorneys whom have the gall to pretend he is innocent. I am not only sad for Cooper, I am absolutely sickened that this is happening at all.

I wish you were on the jury.
 
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