I have now seen 4 photos with this visible line on her forehead. It is likely a dermal melanocytosis, a hyperpigmented area of her skin.Apologize if this was brought up already.....that is kind of an odd band of coloring on her forehead. Tan line?
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Thank you fran. I dont think this is anything new, given Renee's husband's interview with the media...we knew that Jonathan had been removed from his mother's care for abuse and neglect.
Poor little man.
The mom is with her mother, she wasn't there.
We have a taser, we have a couple aggressive neighborhood dogs whose owners let them run the streets and they are always after my dogs. That is why I got it. I've used it 1 time. Some drunk guy walked in my back door from a local beer festival and he thought our house was his, but refused to leave and moved towards me and my kids behind me while I was waiting for the police to get here, i let him have it LOL.
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Officials said that in December 2005 there was an allegation of neglected supervision and physical abuse of Jonathan and his half sister when they were living in Galveston County. When CPS went to investigate the claims, both children were living with other relatives and the case was closed.
In Houston in December 2006, there was a second allegation of neglect, physical abuse and medical neglect of both Jonathan and his half sister, officials said. The case was closed because Jonathan had moved to his uncle's home out of state and his half sister was living with her grandmother.
more here - heart-wrenching to read of Uncle Glenn's love for Jonathan.
http://www.click2houston.com/news/26325836/detail.html
I have now seen 4 photos with this visible line on her forehead. It is likely a dermal melanocytosis, a hyperpigmented area of her skin.
dang that hurts to read
Here are the names of more women that killed the children of others:
Name Kills Survivors Context Modus
Phan Thi Ai 3 lover's children burned
Maria del Rosio Alfaro 1 9 year old girl stabbed
Beverly Allitt 4 22 Pediatric Nurse Injection
Melanie Anderson 1 girl 2 beating, torture
Gertrude Baniszewski 1 girl 16 tortured, beaten
Mary Flora Bell 2 1 playmates strangled
Barbara Briggs 1 grandson beaten, starved
Linda Burnett 1 stranger shot
Sally_Clark 2 infants (crib death) smothered
Patricia Coker 1 foster-daughter beaten
Betty Coker 1 foster-granddaughter beaten
Mary Ann Cotton 4 stepchildren poison
Minnie Dean 2 (3+) ? baby farm smothered
Nannie Hazel Doss 2 grandchildren smothered
Lillie Easter 1 foster son beaten, drowned
Marti Enriqueta 6+ 1 "magic" boiled, eaten, rendered into "potions"
Ellen Etheridge 4 stepchildren poison
Sandy Evans 1 adopted daughter child abuse
Christine Falling 6 babysitter smothered
Lynne Friend 1 guardian beaten
Caril Fugate 1 baby sister choked
Janie Lou Gibbs 1 grandchild poison
Veronica Gonzalez 1 neice age 4 tortured, scalded to death
Ester Rebecca Griggs 1 exorcism beaten
Belle Gunness 1+ stepchild
Bonney Heady 1 kidnap victim shot
Cathy Lynn Henderson 1 boy 3 months (babysitter) beaten
Audrey Marie Hilley 1 several neighborhood child poison
Wanda Holloway 0 1(?) cheerleader(s?) contract killing
Karla Holmolka 1 ? baby sister drugged, sexually assaulted, choked on vomit
Deidre Hunt 1 teenager tortured, shot
Helene Jegado several household servant poison
Genene Jones 11 (46) Pediatric Nurse injection
Lois Jurgens 1 adopted son beaten, tortured
Penelope Kenney 1
Dorothy Jean Livingston 1 foster-daughter kicked down staircase (repeatedly)
Eddiesenior Jones McLaughlin 1 adopted son beaten, burned
Sarah Makin 7+ baby farm stabbed with knitting needles
Beth Ann Markman 1 teenager choked
Evelyn Kay Miller 1 foster son shaken baby
Angela Hope Miller 1 nephew shaken baby
Alice Mitchell (37) nurse starvation, neglect
Marie Moore ? ? coven ?
Patricia Moore 3 babysitter stranged, suffocated
Louisa Northcott ? ? serial sex slayings ?
Hannah Ocuish 1 playmate beaten, choked
Julia Ann Olivas 1 exorcism beaten
Sandra Pankow 3 babysitter smothered
Martha Place 1 stepdaughter acid in face, smothered
Renee Polreis 1 adopted son beaten
Lisa Price 1 foster daughter beaten
Latasha Pulliam 1 neighbor's daughter age 6 tortured, strangled
Martha Rendell 3 1 stepchildren hydrochloric acid
Patricia Rorrer 1 boyfriend's baby shot, suffocated
Amelia Sach dozens ? baby farm poison
Lydia Sherman 2 ? 3 husbands, 5 children, 2 stepchildren poison
Sarah Simpson 1
Brenda Spencer 2 9 principal, janitor, school kids shot
Debra Sue Tuggle 1 fiancee's child drowned
Lise Jane Turner 1 2 (6) babysitting smothered
Louise Vermilyea 1 stepchild poison
Mary Wallis 1 servant
Annie Walters dozens ? baby farm poison
Jeanne Weber 7+ many 2 nieces, 2 nephews, 3 neighbor's kids (babysitter) strangled
Rosemary West 1 (?) stepdaughter
Roselere Wilkenson 1 stepdaughter beaten
Rosa Wilkerson 1 granddaughter poisoned, smothered
Jacqueline Annette Williams 3 adult female 28, girl 10, boy 7 shot, stabbed
Martha Woods 4 2 babysitter suffocation
Dora Wright 1 stepdaughter
Caroline Young 2 grandson 6, granddaughter 4 stabbed
Lila Gladys Young (100+) baby farm neglect, starvation
Anna Zwanziger ? ? rivals, employers and their families poison
Here are the names of more women that killed the children of others:
Name Kills Survivors Context Modus
Phan Thi Ai 3 lover's children burned
Maria del Rosio Alfaro 1 9 year old girl stabbed
Beverly Allitt 4 22 Pediatric Nurse Injection
Melanie Anderson 1 girl 2 beating, torture
Gertrude Baniszewski 1 girl 16 tortured, beaten
Mary Flora Bell 2 1 playmates strangled
Barbara Briggs 1 grandson beaten, starved
Linda Burnett 1 stranger shot
Sally_Clark 2 infants (crib death) smothered
Patricia Coker 1 foster-daughter beaten
Betty Coker 1 foster-granddaughter beaten
Mary Ann Cotton 4 stepchildren poison
Minnie Dean 2 (3+) ? baby farm smothered
Nannie Hazel Doss 2 grandchildren smothered
Lillie Easter 1 foster son beaten, drowned
Marti Enriqueta 6+ 1 "magic" boiled, eaten, rendered into "potions"
Ellen Etheridge 4 stepchildren poison
Sandy Evans 1 adopted daughter child abuse
Christine Falling 6 babysitter smothered
Lynne Friend 1 guardian beaten
Caril Fugate 1 baby sister choked
Janie Lou Gibbs 1 grandchild poison
Veronica Gonzalez 1 neice age 4 tortured, scalded to death
Ester Rebecca Griggs 1 exorcism beaten
Belle Gunness 1+ stepchild
Bonney Heady 1 kidnap victim shot
Cathy Lynn Henderson 1 boy 3 months (babysitter) beaten
Audrey Marie Hilley 1 several neighborhood child poison
Wanda Holloway 0 1(?) cheerleader(s?) contract killing
Karla Holmolka 1 ? baby sister drugged, sexually assaulted, choked on vomit
Deidre Hunt 1 teenager tortured, shot
Helene Jegado several household servant poison
Genene Jones 11 (46) Pediatric Nurse injection
Lois Jurgens 1 adopted son beaten, tortured
Penelope Kenney 1
Dorothy Jean Livingston 1 foster-daughter kicked down staircase (repeatedly)
Eddiesenior Jones McLaughlin 1 adopted son beaten, burned
Sarah Makin 7+ baby farm stabbed with knitting needles
Beth Ann Markman 1 teenager choked
Evelyn Kay Miller 1 foster son shaken baby
Angela Hope Miller 1 nephew shaken baby
Alice Mitchell (37) nurse starvation, neglect
Marie Moore ? ? coven ?
Patricia Moore 3 babysitter stranged, suffocated
Louisa Northcott ? ? serial sex slayings ?
Hannah Ocuish 1 playmate beaten, choked
Julia Ann Olivas 1 exorcism beaten
Sandra Pankow 3 babysitter smothered
Martha Place 1 stepdaughter acid in face, smothered
Renee Polreis 1 adopted son beaten
Lisa Price 1 foster daughter beaten
Latasha Pulliam 1 neighbor's daughter age 6 tortured, strangled
Martha Rendell 3 1 stepchildren hydrochloric acid
Patricia Rorrer 1 boyfriend's baby shot, suffocated
Amelia Sach dozens ? baby farm poison
Lydia Sherman 2 ? 3 husbands, 5 children, 2 stepchildren poison
Sarah Simpson 1
Brenda Spencer 2 9 principal, janitor, school kids shot
Debra Sue Tuggle 1 fiancee's child drowned
Lise Jane Turner 1 2 (6) babysitting smothered
Louise Vermilyea 1 stepchild poison
Mary Wallis 1 servant
Annie Walters dozens ? baby farm poison
Jeanne Weber 7+ many 2 nieces, 2 nephews, 3 neighbor's kids (babysitter) strangled
Rosemary West 1 (?) stepdaughter
Roselere Wilkenson 1 stepdaughter beaten
Rosa Wilkerson 1 granddaughter poisoned, smothered
Jacqueline Annette Williams 3 adult female 28, girl 10, boy 7 shot, stabbed
Martha Woods 4 2 babysitter suffocation
Dora Wright 1 stepdaughter
Caroline Young 2 grandson 6, granddaughter 4 stabbed
Lila Gladys Young (100+) baby farm neglect, starvation
Anna Zwanziger ? ? rivals, employers and their families poison
Detectives said their investigation suggested Nelson abducted Foster from his mother’s apartment last Friday afternoon. Witnesses reported seeing Nelson talking to the boy around 12:30 p.m. Miller described Nelson’s actions as “methodical” in the way she stalked the child before kidnapping him.
Nelson then took the fifth-grader to her apartment near U.S. 59 and Laura Koppe, where she killed him and burned the body, according to investigators.
A welder by trade, Nelson apparently used welding torches to burn the boy’s body in her apartment before dumping it in a drainage ditch on Schilder near the Hardy Toll Road. A surveillance camera from the nearby Rolled Alloys facility captured an image of Nelson dumping the body. That surveillance video led detectives to Nelson.
Proves she does have a daughter... and wow.... 5 grandchildren! YIKES!
Police said she attacked her adult daughter.
Nelson has family that lives in Titus County, including a daughter, five grandchildren and an ex-husband.
http://www.click2houston.com/news/26326459/detail.html
The question is, is this her first time?
OT- Those local to Jonathan's area, can you pm me with florist recommendations please I don't know anyone else to ask and I don't trust teleflorists, sorry for the OT.
ETA: I'd like to send something when funeral arrangements are made public. that's why I'm asking