UK UK - Gareth Williams, 31, Pimlico, London, 16 Aug 2010

[UKGuy]

From today's Daily Mail:

Lady's orange wig, lipstick and 'five regrets of the dying' newspaper cutting
found alongside body of spy in the bag, and SOMEONE ELSE locked him inside

Lengthy article, many pictures, and two videos at DM link above.

wfgodot,
Of course someone else locked him in. Why should anyone speculate otherwise?

Was he killed for gain, was his flat ransacked, was there a forensic trail left in his house?

Consider the death in China of british businessman and old Harrovian, Neil Heywood? He died allegedly from alcohol poisoning, then his body was cremated. Latterly the story breaks he was killed by the wife of a high ranking Chinese politician, Bo Xilai.

The common factor in both these cases is an absence of forensic evidence and the likely involvement of secret services.

So it appears Gareth Williams was relocated to his flat, in the bag so to avoid detection. A handheld, battery operated vacum-cleaner could have been used to remove any forensic residue. he was probably dead prior to being placed into the bag, otherwise we would have tear marks etc.

So it looks like Gareth Williams was killed away from his flat and for what he knew not for what he possessed. This points to a secret service and an ongoing intelligence operation.

IMO all the bondage detail is peripheral and tabloid fodder.

 

[wfgodot]

Daily Mail, however, proves it can dangle a preposition with the best of them:

‘Even Houdini would struggle’ to padlock himself in the holdall body-in-the-bag spy was found dead in

• Expert tells inquest he is convinced another person stuffed MI6 code-breaker Gareth Williams in the bag and then dumped it in the bath at London flat
• A yoga specialist attempted awkward manoeuvre 100 times and failed

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Dr Wilcox added: ‘With all your trials and failures do you think it would be impossible to padlock this bag from the inside?’

Mr Faulding replied: ‘I cannot say it was impossible, but even Houdini would struggle.’

The inquest was told Mr Williams could not have survived for more than 30 minutes as the temperature quickly rose and oxygen levels dropped.

Mr Faulding said he only lasted five minutes before becoming ‘delirious’ after zipping himself inside with emergency oxygen and a paramedic outside.
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the rest of the story at DM link above

 

[badhorsie]

Horrible video footage here of someone trying to lock themselves in the same bag

 

[wfgodot]

Warning call by GCHQ boss to police about Gareth aborting secret mission may hold key to his death

The handlers of ‘body in the bag’ spy Gareth Williams raised concerns about his state of mind on the day he was found dead inside his flat.

The inquest into Mr Williams’s death heard that a senior executive at GCHQ, the Government’s secret listening post, told police that the MI6 spy may have reacted badly after being removed from a covert operation.

A transcript of the call revealed that the executive added: ‘We are not sure how he’s taken that.’
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more at Sunday Mail link above

 

[badhorsie]

Gareth had to be rescued by his landlady after he tied himself to his bed.
More at the Independent

 

[wfgodot]

Gareth had to be rescued by his landlady after he tied himself to his bed.
More at the Independent

That must have been an embarrassing moment for all concerned.

 

[Portabella]

I heard something about this on the news a couple of days ago and it peaked my interest due to the wierdness of it to be honest. I heard on the news that two different DNA were found on the zip of the bag, have you heard anything about that aspect of this? TIA

 

[wfgodot]

DNA from two others found on bag holding body of MI6 spy Gareth Williams, inquest told, but not enough to identify them

• DNA from 'at least' two others found in flat where spy's body was discovered
• Forensic expert admits fragments are unlikely to lead to identification
• Asphyxiation or poisoning 'foremost contenders' in causes of death
• Athletic spy probably unconscious within two minutes of being locked in
• 'No injuries to suggest spy had struggled to get out of bag'
• Pathologist says 'floppiness' of corpse would have prevented him being moved into bag

story at Daily Mail link above

 

[wfgodot]

Coroner: UK spy found in sports bag likely killed (AP)

LONDON (AP) -- A coroner says a British spy whose naked body was found inside a locked sports bag was likely killed in a criminal act, but acknowledged the riddle of how he met his mysterious death may never be solved.

Coroner Fiona Wilcox said Wednesday it was unlikely that the demise of codebreaker Gareth Williams, 31, would "ever be satisfactorily explained," despite a 21-month police inquiry, and seven days of expert evidence to an inquest hearing.
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Wilcox delivered a so-called "narrative verdict" - a lengthy but inconclusive ruling which is available when there isn't clear evidence of natural causes, suicide or unlawful killing.
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much more at link above

 

[badhorsie]

More suspicious, sexual, spy deaths

 

[wfgodot]

Um-hm. Whatever.

MI6 spy found dead in bag 'DID lock himself in holdall' say
police as they claim codebreaker was responsible for his own death (Daily Mail)

 

[LaLaw2000]

No...................don't believe it.

 

[Snoopster]

Last year, a coroner said it was likely Mr Williams, 31, from Anglesey, had been unlawfully killed.

But Deputy Assistant Commissioner Martin Hewitt said a review of evidence had found "it was more probable" no other person was present when he died.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24927078


This one is still a head-shaker.

 

[graceholl]

Whilst I'm always suspicious of any news story with an MI5/6 angle, this was always the theory I held. So I don't doubt the findings that much, and as the police have said, they aren't concrete themselves - if only his employers had reported his disappearance sooner his body could have provided some really vital clues.

 

[Elley Mae]

The Scotland Yard spokesman acknowledged their conclusion isn't definitive, but "on balance, it is a more probable conclusion that there was no other person present when Gareth died."

bbm

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/glob...e-bag-was-probably-accident-police-day/71542/

In other words, it's still pretty much a mystery. "Despite all of this considerable effort, it is still the case that there is insufficient evidence to be definitive on the circumstances that led to Gareth's death," the spokesperson said. "Rather, what we are left with is either individual pieces of evidence, or a lack of such evidence, that can logically support one of a number of hypotheses."

But forensic investigations didn't find any of Williams' DNA on the bag in which his body was found, or the surrounding bathtub. Traces of another person's DNA were discovered, but not enough for police to identify them. The rest of his relatively bare flat showed no signs of a clean up or tampering.

 

[time]

I don't know, I think the police determining he killed himself is almost the biggest bunch of nonsense I have ever heard.

None of his DNA was found on the lock attached to the bag and his palm prints were not found on the rim of the bath.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24927078

 

[Reader]

MI6 codebreaker Gareth Williams' death 'perfect crime,' expert says

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/21/world/europe/europe-codebreaker-faulding/index.html?hpt=hp_bn2

(CNN) -- The death of MI6 codebreaker Gareth Williams -- whose naked body was found inside an externally locked bag in his bathtub in 2010 -- was a "perfect crime," a confined spaces expert says.

Peter Faulding said he disagreed with Scotland Yard's conclusion that Williams most likely locked himself in the bag, saying it was his belief that the MI6 worker was murdered.......

Faulding testified at the Coroner's inquest and did not definitively rule out that Williams could have somehow locked himself into the bag alone. But he said he could not have done so without leaving evidence......

Faulding said the lack of DNA was "the key to this crime."

"We can zip ourselves in the bag ... but you can't do it without leaving a trace."

More at link.....

 

[writer7]

I didn't know there was a thread for him Such a sad story.

I don't know how I'd get this verified other than faxing my passport perhaps, but I met Gareth on a coach from London to Oxford a few years ago. We talked the whole time and texted later about my exam I was there to take He was so sweet!

He was to meet me near the college afterwards for a celebratory drink, but he called instead. He was busy, as he said he might be.

I really don't think he was gay, if you know what I mean Terribly shy and liked talking about intellectual things. A nerd, basically He didn't ask for my number, btw, even though he clearly wanted it. I suggested we exchange them at the very last second getting off the coach, and he beamed

RIP, Gareth. So nice to have met you!

 

[Snoopster]

MI6 codebreaker Gareth Williams' death 'perfect crime,' expert says

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/21/world/europe/europe-codebreaker-faulding/index.html?hpt=hp_bn2

(CNN) -- The death of MI6 codebreaker Gareth Williams -- whose naked body was found inside an externally locked bag in his bathtub in 2010 -- was a "perfect crime," a confined spaces expert says.

Peter Faulding said he disagreed with Scotland Yard's conclusion that Williams most likely locked himself in the bag, saying it was his belief that the MI6 worker was murdered.......

Faulding testified at the Coroner's inquest and did not definitively rule out that Williams could have somehow locked himself into the bag alone. But he said he could not have done so without leaving evidence......

Faulding said the lack of DNA was "the key to this crime."

"We can zip ourselves in the bag ... but you can't do it without leaving a trace."

More at link.....

A bit OT, but what the heck is a 'confined spaces expert'? :waitasec:

 

[fruity]

Lots of great info here (the link talks about the confined spaces expert too).

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/44...eth-Williams-found-dead-in-a-bag-WAS-murdered

THE handles of the locked bag in which MI6 spy Gareth Williams was found dead were fastened together with Velcro, which an expert said last night was proof he was murdered.