GUILTY UK - Joanna Yeates, 25, Clifton, Bristol, 17 Dec 2010 #9

[Patticake]

We were wondering what part of the personal appeal for help was written by LE and which was written by her parents "off script".

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-st...ed-with-joanna-yeates-murder-115875-22868924/


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peaking from the family home in Amphill, Hants, IT worker Mr Yeates said: “I’ve seen him just once but never spoken to him. Jo and Greg never mentioned him. They didn’t socialise. As far as I know, their paths never crossed.

“There has been an article in the papers that said the police put together what Theresa and I read out on television.

“Firstly it was done under our instigation and secondly we wrote all the words and put it together, so I don’t want to give the *impression that the police were manipulating us. It wasn’t the case.”

He added: “We don’t really know if our last appeal hit home. The reason we did it was *because we hoped it would prick some *people’s *conscience or make them think about the small things they did know, so the police can reject it or take it on board.”

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[otto]

Is he charged with premeditated or second degree? I suspect that he and his lawyers will argue "heat of the moment". What is the sentencing structure for second degree?

 

[goldielox]

If he's guilty, I hope he's man enough to confess and save all involved the ordeal of a prosecution during which every horrible detail will be impressed upon the minds not only of Joanna Yeates' loved ones, but also his own loved ones

I hope so too because a confession would mean Jo's parents may learn something close to the truth as to what happened to their daughter that night.

Whether he pleads guilty or not guilty however the sentence is still "life" so there isn't much incentive at all where murder is concerned to plead guilty.

 

[Phillb]

The many, many times we've seen this house on the news. and countless photos in the paper. Everyones been puzzling to who it could be. It seems incerdible to think the guy who got charged (awaiting trial) was living in the same house staring us right in the face all along.

I'd love to know what eventually caught him out.

 

[equationgirl]

Where did my post about sub judice go? Did it get reported??

 

[goldielox]

Is he charged with premeditated or second degree? I suspect that he and his lawyers will argue "heat of the moment". What is the sentencing structure for second degree?

In the UK Murder is premediated/first degree. That's what he's been charged with.

We only have two possible charges for a homicide in the UK - murder, or manslaughter.

 

[otto]

In the UK Murder is premediated/first degree. That's what he's been charged with.

We only have two possible charges for a homicide in the UK - murder, or manslaughter.

Very interesting ... I missed that detail. I guess there's something to suggest that he formed the thought to attack her before murdering her, although could that be that he was in the process of sexual assault and when she protested he murdered her, or does it have to be forethought in terms of going to her apartment for the purpose of attacking her?

 

[otto]

Where did my post about sub judice go? Did it get reported??

I hope not. I thought it was extremely relevant and informative regarding what information could and could not be posted in order to adhere to British law.

 

[equationgirl]

In the UK Murder is premediated/first degree. That's what he's been charged with.

We only have two possible charges for a homicide in the UK - murder, or manslaughter.

Manslaughter is not a charge in Scotland - it's culpable homicide (voluntary or involuntary) which is braodly similar to manslaughter but not the same. There's also corporate homicide.

 

[LadyL]

Where did my post about sub judice go? Did it get reported??

it's on page 16

 

[saggymoon]

Yeppers, about a month ago they went into the pay-to-read racket.

ok cheers, why anyone would want to pay to read that rag is beyond me anyway

and with the former editor now resigned from his govt post about phone tapping allegations, i think the notw should be a dying dinosaur soon, hopefully so

we don't want red rags all over our newsagents counters anymore, we want real journalism back

 

[Curious Alice]

Is he charged with premeditated or second degree? I suspect that he and his lawyers will argue "heat of the moment". What is the sentencing structure for second degree?

We do not have first and second degree murder, although I did read recently that the US structure was under consideration.

Scroll down the wiki articke and read the section about mens rea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_in_English_law

 

[otto]

The many, many times we've seen this house on the news. and countless photos in the paper. Everyones been puzzling to who it could be. It seems incerdible to think the guy who got charged (awaiting trial) was living in the same house staring us right in the face all along.

I'd love to know what eventually caught him out.

Me too. If the story about the crying woman is true, and it is related to the public appeal from the parents, then it could be that Tabak was making light of the murder, re-inventing timelines, or that he borrowed a vehicle. It could also be that he served the pizza for dinner the following day. My understanding is that Tabak's girlfriend was interviewed the day before the arrest, so she may well be the person that called it in - and she would certainly be in the best position to know if he was "off" around the time of the murder.

 

[goldielox]

The best thing for the family would be a confession, if he is guilty. But we don't see that happen very often, not sure about in England if that is more common. I know England does seem to give lighter sentences for murder than the US-does England/GB have life without parole? I don't think I've ever seen that.

Life imprisonment in the UK is (or used to be) 20 years. But that's just the starting point. A minimum tariff is then imposed - this could be less than twenty years and could also be more than twenty years (Ian Huntley the Soham murderer had a minimum tariff of 40 years set)

The minimum tariff means that's the minimum length of sentence they will serve before they are eligible to be considered for parole. Not many get parole at their first attempt either. If they do get parole they remain on licence for the rest of their life. Even the slightest thing can mean they're returned to prison.

In some cases life really does mean life for the worst murders so where murder is concerned I don't think the UK does too badly where it's sentencing is concerned.

 

[Destroyer]

just tried to read the news of the world and apparently you have to pay/subscribe now? is this a new thing?

Yes, it been running for few months now, cant see the point to be honest as everybody else is free & i'm not paying a pound a week to see what some Premier League footballer's been getting upto behind his wifes back.

But i do believe you can get a month for free if you want it.

 

[LadyL]

I want to know what evidence they have. After the landlord fiasco, I don't believe this guy is guilty.

 

[saggymoon]

what a horrible world we live in, looking at some of these signature posts with photos of missing children and adults, peoples lives being taken, what for????

 

[saggymoon]

I want to know what evidence they have. After the landlord fiasco, I don't believe this guy is guilty.

its just a personal hunch but i dont think they have the right man-not helpful i know, just a hunch

i still think it was someone much closer to her

 

[otto]

We do not have first and second degree murder, although I did read recently that the US structure was under consideration.

Scroll down the wiki articke and read the section about mens rea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_in_English_law

Thank you. So in the charge of murder, he cannot be considered for any other charge, but can be considered for lesser of the charges listed?

 

[Destroyer]

Anybody else sick & tired of these adverts on Sky News ??

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