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its certainly echos a tobin murder and has a slight feel of bible john about it aswell. Tobin was living in Brighton between 1973 and 1976. But he was very mobile and i do believe Tobin killed more victims during this time.
 
Would any of these fit?

https://www.missingpeople.org.uk/help-us-find/jacqueline-o-loghlen-93-000038 - Jacqueline O'Loghlen, 23, Islington, 30th June 1985. Missing.

https://www.missingpeople.org.uk/help-us-find/rebecca-tyler - Rebecca Tyler, 35, 18th November 1992, Ilfracombe, Devon. Missing.

http://www.unsolved-murders.co.uk/murder-content.php?key=971&termRef=Jacqueline Palmer-Radford.

I can find very little information on these, in some cases, I can't find their ages or places of death.

http://www.unsolved-murders.co.uk/murder-content.php?key=1509&termRef=Alison Bigwood - Alison Bigwood, 20, 1976. Murdered.

http://www.unsolved-murders.co.uk/murder-content.php?key=1620&termRef=Margaret Doran - Margaret Doran, June 1981, Brixton. Murdered.

http://www.unsolved-murders.co.uk/murder-content.php?key=1518&termRef=Elaine Smith

http://www.unsolved-murders.co.uk/murder-content.php?key=1512&termRef=Carrina Bigg-Wither

http://www.unsolved-murders.co.uk/murder-content.php?key=1135&termRef=Fiona Saunders

http://www.unsolved-murders.co.uk/murder-content.php?key=1604&termRef=Rachel Applethwaite

http://www.unsolved-murders.co.uk/murder-content.php?key=1700&termRef=Yana Jones

http://www.unsolved-murders.co.uk/murder-content.php?key=2443&termRef=Wendy Gallagher

I also have a theory with the Jill Barnard and Jill Brown disappearances. We don't know where Tobin was between the break-up of his second marriage and 1979. It's suggested he may have lived in south-east England.

Jill Brown disappeared in Dovercourt, Essex. Perhaps Tobin moved to Essex in 1976/1977. He goes through London one day in October 1977, maybe trying to get to Glasgow or Brighton. He spots Jill Barnard on a street corner or leaving her flat and thinks, that's an opportunity. He goes up to her, maybe in his car, asking for directions or something. She spots somewhere on a map or tries telling him where to go. She's distracted and he pulls her in or maybe asks her to help him, a la Bundy.

He threatens her, maybe strangles her to unconsciousness or semi-consciousness, then when they're out of London, he pulls in a lay-by and eventually kills her. Maybe he thinks about dumping the body there, but for some reason, he doesn't. He takes the body home and hides her in a shed or basement or, like Vicky, under the stairs. He thinks about what to do and then decides on burying her in the garden.

Would he do it at night? Would he do it under pretense of gardening? He just puts it to the back of his mind and moves on.

New Year approaches and he decides he quite likes the nice young lady living in his village. He's planning already and asks her to come over whenever she wants. He sees her going to work one morning or maybe just pops by and she says she's got New Year blues or maybe just fed up about something in her life. He tells her he'll call the launderette and say she's sick, invites her over. Maybe his place isn't far and there's less chance of being caught.

He lets her have a drink, maybe a few drinks. Maybe he drugs her. He would repeat this action 27 years later with Cheryl Maclachlan. He attacks and kills Jill. He then buries her under the basement or the patio or something. Maybe he dumps her far away, so nobody would convict him and find the other body. After all, who would suspect nice Mr Tobin or Mr Semple or Mr Jeffries (his second wife's surname) or whatever he called himself?

Just is just my theory, but it would fit in with what we know.
 
There is a huge amount of potential victims that could be linked to Tobin.We do know that After 1976 Tobin spent some time living in Portsmouth where there were unproven accusations that he abused an 8 year old.From 1989 to about the early 1990s he worked as an instulation fitter a job that required him to travel the country who knows how many victims he claimed during this period.He used so many aliases and owned so many cars we may never know. I just wonder if there was anything discovered from the womens jewlery he kept.
 
martin123 said:
There is a huge amount of potential victims that could be linked to Tobin.We do know that After 1976 Tobin spent some time living in Portsmouth where there were unproven accusations that he abused an 8 year old.From 1989 to about the early 1990s he worked as an instulation fitter a job that required him to travel the country who knows how many victims he claimed during this period.He used so many aliases and owned so many cars we may never know. I just wonder if there was anything discovered from the womens jewlery he kept.
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No, that's the issue. The jewelry, as far as I know, is sitting there in Operation Anagram's safes. I'm trying to work out who it belongs to, but some, including small earring clips and an orange bag, are going to be impossible.

On the left is a picture of a Royal Mechanical and Electrical Engineers' Badge. On the right is a badge found in Tobin's possession. (Sources: Bickerton Jewellery and BBC News)

REME_2.jpg _46016481_jewellery_sussexpolice_226.jpg

Helen Puttock, the third Bible John victim, had a husband in this corps. I'd say this could be a firm connection, especially since DNA from the Bible John case is probably insufficient.

I don't know how to attach the picture, but there was a pair of green-grey rosary beads with cross attached. Christina Bracken, also known as Sister Jacinta, vanished in Swansea on 19th May 1979. The 38-year-old was last seen near the city's Quadrant multi-storey car park. Her handbag was on the foreshore. This is similar to how Vicky's purse was left near Edinburgh train station.

Christina is missing.

These rosary beads are highly likely to belong to a Catholic. It could also help if the purse with 'Lourdes' on it was hers, maybe a souvenir from the religious site?

A Rotary watch was found in Tobin's possession, with lines on the face and diamond pattern. From research, I found that this resembles a 1970s watch.

Teresa De Simone was killed in Southampton in 1979. She had been to a disco, just as the Bible John victims went to ballrooms. She was found in her car, with her tights down her ankle, strangled with her missing crucifix and her belongings scattered around the car park, as the Bible John victims' belongings were. Her car keys, Rotary watch, two necklaces, three rings and a bracelet are missing. Note: the jewelry she wears in the picture of her, does anyone know if that's missing?

There is DNA available from her murder.

Margaret Frame was killed in Stanmer Park, Brighton on 12th October 1978. She was stabbed in the back, it took ten days to find her, similar to how Angelika was hidden inside the church but it took days, there was an attempt to severe her head, a reminder of the Cockley Cley body and her jewelry was stolen.

One small ring in Tobin's possession (fingers in plastic gloves are holding it) looks like a ring Margaret owned. http://theargusandleaderseries.news...ooking_back_margaret_frame_jewellery_1978_jpg
Her ring was 18 or 22 carat and small size.

Sadly, the writing is very hard.

In the time I've looked over the jewelry in the last two years, I also found myself drawn to the purple flower necklace. To me, it seems 'mumsy' or sophisticated, so perhaps one of the older suspected victims (Esther Mersy, Dorothea Meechan, Marion Hodge, Janice Weston) owned it.

There are many St. Christopher medals; St. Christopher is the patron saint of travelers so maybe a hitchhiker wore it. (Barbara Mayo, Jackie Ansell-Lamb, Elia Karjalanien)

The ring with two horseshoes seems 'childish' to me, so perhaps a younger victim owned it. (Suzanne Lawrence, Johanna Young, April Fabb, Lisa Hession, Pamela Hastie)

Another ring held by plastic glove fingers is very faded. It seems to be a head, reminding me of a coin, but it's difficult to work out.

The ring which is all white stones makes me think of dinner parties. Maybe it's also sophisticated. Perhaps Janice Weston, a businesswoman, had it?

The ring with blue stones missing makes me think that, despite this, it was taken care of really well, by Tobin or the owner. It also seems, even with all the blue stones, to have stood out. This could have been chosen purposely. Jessie Earl was an art student and it seems very bright and friendly.

I hope this helps get Operation Anagram to examine the stated incidents.

I can't help but compare him to Ted Bundy.
 
the sister of Helen Puttock claimed she saw bible john showing her sister a military badge that could have been a Royal Mechanical and Electrical Engineers' Badge.He seemed to be showing it off. It could be coincidence but to me ive always believed tobin was bible john.
 
I find it hard to believe that still no hard evidence has emerged linking Tobin to other crimes. There are other victims of Tobin out there.
 
I suspect there are more victims who were runaways hitchhiking who sadly didn't get listed as missing like Dinah... Or there was a gap in time after being missing before they encountered Tobin so have never been linked to jinx


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i believe Tobin is responsible for Louise Kay going missing.No trace of her or her car have ever been found.
 
[video=youtube;jzGKMQCErHo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzGKMQCErHo[/video]
 
The man is pure evil. He attacked a woman in the 1960s the only reason she wasn't killed was because a couple walked by and he ran off. He was prepared to kill then.
 
I've always wondered if Marie Garrity and Barbara Finn (both missing from hillfields red light area in Coventry in 1990s) were Tobins victims. Barbara isn't on the missing persons website as the police didn't bother to alert them. I got the local paper to cover her case.
 
RomanyStar,

The more I research this guy, the more I think he's responsible for both Barbara Flynn and Nicola Payne. They vanished within about 6 weeks of each other I think.

He was actively killing in 1991, having killed at least two girls that we know of in that year.

Tobin seemed to exclusively go for young, pretty brunettes - both Barbara Finn and Nicola Payne fit that description. We know he had ties to Coventry because he fled there and hid with the Jesus Fellowship after attempting to murder the babysitters in aroundabout 1993 IIRC. He's also more than capable of hiding a body.

I think that when we find one of them, we'll find the other.

What I'd like to know is why Operation Anagram stopped looking into the two Coventry women, because they were definitely interested in 2012:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/victims-of-serial-killer-peter-tobin-248076

EDIT: Just checked my notes, and yep, Marie Garrity is a young, pretty brunette, who went missing in '95. I need to check his spells at Her Majesty's pleasure, to see if he was out at that time.
 
I don't think Peter tobin was responsible for nicola payne as I believe the two men who stood trial in that case are far more likely to have been responsible. I do believe and always have that tobin is bible John and believe he is responsible for many more crimes.
 
Earth said:
I forgot one, Anna Kenny.
http://www.unsolved-murders.co.uk/murder-content.php?key=833
Last seen in Glasgow in August 1977, her abduction may have been heard. Her body was found in April 1979, over a hundred miles' drive away. She had been bound by the neck and ankles, similar to Dinah. Angus Sinclair is a suspect but I think this is more likely to be Tobin.
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Sorry, this is Sinclair all day long. It fits his 'MO' to a tee. And fits in with the idea the unsolved Glasgow murders of 1977 were a crime spree by Sinclair and his brother in law Gordon Hamilton. It is also said that Anna Kenny knew Sinclair somewhat through mutual friends and that's probably why she got in with someone she recognised.
 
Earth said:
The evil Peter Tobin has been quoted as saying he killed 48 women, then told the police to 'prove it'. I do not doubt he killed 48, I really don't. But let's look at WHO he may have killed.
Serial killers start in their late teens and early twenties. Tobin was born in August 1946, so we use 1966 as a center point.
Now, let's just have a look...
Esther Mersy
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/family-of-missing-esther-mersy-fear-1003293
A twenty-seven-year-old housewife, vanished on November 29th 1965 from Port Glasgow, lived near Tobin's home. He was 19. She was small, brunette, involved with her local church and has not been found. Her handbag and coat were found in a bus shelter on Largs seafront, a few miles away. Like Dinah, money was taken out of her account.

Bible John Murders
I think Tobin is the prime suspect for these.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_John
http://www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk/crime-files/peter-tobin/the-bible-john-mystery

April Fabb
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_April_Fabb
Aged 13, April was cycling between Metton and Roughton on 8th April 1969, in Norfolk. Norfolk is a county that Tobin frequented on bank holidays. 8th April was the day after Easter Monday. Although Robert Black is also a suspect and drove vans (without a license) after 1964, I believe Tobin is stronger, as he was more likely to have been in Norfolk on that SPECIFIC date. April is still missing.

Jackie Ansell-Lamb and Barbara Mayo
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/391675/Prints-may-solve-43-year-old-killings-mystery
Hitchhiking on the M1 in March 1970, 18-year-old Jackie Ansell-Lamb was found raped and strangled. Six months later, 24-year-old Barbara Mayo was also raped and strangled near the M1. If you look at her picture, she does look like Dinah.

Susan Long
http://www.norfolk.police.uk/newsandevents/unsolvedcases/homicideattemptedhomicides/susanlong1.aspx
18-year-old Susan Long was catching the last bus home on the night of 10th March, from Norwich to Aylsham. She had been at a dance hall. she was found at 5.15am on 11th March by a milkman, having been strangled and drowned in a puddle.
Of course, this fits tight with the murder of Jackie, but if we believe Tobin then decided to get as far away from Jackie's murder scene as possible, this works.

Helen Kane
The 25-year-old had been out with her husband and friends in Edinburgh in May 1970. She was found stripped and battered on a building site. Angus Sinclair may be responsible but I don't think we should rule Tobin out just yet.

Anne Law
34, murdered in Newcastle. Vanished in March 1973, her body found in 1982.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Victims+waiting+for+justice+as+killers+remain+at+large.-a0215637234

Wendy Sewell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Downing_case
The 32-year-old was killed in a cemetery in Bakewell in the Midlands on 12th September 1973. Beaten round the head and assaulted, her death reminds me of the Bible John murders.

Bridget Findlay
http://www.unsolved-murders.co.uk/murder-content.php?key=2105
Unable to find much else.

Caroline (or Carolyn) Doreen Allen
http://www.unsolved-murders.co.uk/murder-content.php?key=1171
Disappeared in April 1974, found dead in December 1975, possibly beaten round the head. Found twenty miles away, I am unable to find much else. She was seventeen.

Mary Boyle
Disappeared aged 17 from Norfolk. Might be the Cockley Cley body.

Cockley Cley Headless Woman
http://www.unsolved-murders.co.uk/murder-content.php?key=74
Found In August 1974, unidentified. Was wearing a Marks and Spencer nightdress and was wrapped in a sheet made in Scotland. The company made six particular sheets between 1962 and 1968. Why only six in six sheets is beyond me.

Pamela Exall
http://www.norfolk.police.uk/newsandevents/unsolvedcases/missingpersons/pamelaexall.aspx
Pamela vanished on 27th August 1974 in Snettisham, at the coast. She had gone for a walk. What puzzles me is when her family were shown jewelry from Tobin, they said they recognized it, but it wasn't Pamela's. Vicky Hamilton borrowed her mother's ring when she vanished. Maybe Pamela did the same? Tobin could also have pretended to be a lost tourist and perhaps ask her to point somewhere on a map. She wouldn't be able to see very well, almost dark, so he could have pushed her in.

Maureen Mulcahy
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/wales_politics/8351889.stm
22-year-old Maureen was strangled after leaving a pub.

Brenda Evans
http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/n...tives-review-historic-cheshire-murder-5197587
A 17-year-old, murdered in October 1977, shoved down a manhole and strangled with her tights.

Jill Barnard
This one was tricky, as I found literally no information on her. All I know is she vanished sometime in October 1977 and she was 19 and lived in London.
http://z13.invisionfree.com/PorchlightEurope/ar/t2503.htm

Jill Brown
http://www.missingpeople.org.uk/help-us-find/jill-brown
Vanished on 3rd January 1978, aged 19. Not found.

Asha Bostan
http://www.unsolved-murders.co.uk/murder-content.php?key=1370
Only information I can find about this person.

Margaret Frame
Murdered in Brighton in 1978, the 36-year-old was raped, stabbed in the back, her throat slit, an attempt was made to severe her head and her jewellery was taken. She was dragged 500 yards and buried in a shallow grave. It took ten days to find her body.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/3751317.Brighton_murder_case_that_lives_on/
http://theargusandleaderseries.news...ooking_back_margaret_frame_jewellery_1978_jpg

Yvette Watson
Yvette was 17 when she was last seen in Norfolk on 30th March 1979. Listed as a runaway, but likely Tobin victim.
http://www.unsolved-murders.co.uk/murder-content.php?key=869

Christina Nuala Bracken AKA Sister Jacinta
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases-uk/1965dfuk.html
Vanished from Swansea in May 1979. Interestingly, her handbag was found on the shore, like Vicky's purse was near the bus stop. In Tobin's possession are religious medals and rosary beads similar to what a nun would have.

Suzanne Lawrence
Aged 14, she disappeared in Harold Hill, Essex.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases-uk/2462dfuk.html
As this was in the holidays, Tobin could have been on his way to Norfolk. If so, she could be in Norfolk.

Teresa De Simone
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Teresa_de_Simone
Murdered in December 1979 in Southampton. As her jewelry was taken, as well as strangulation and naked from the waist down, this seems to fit.

Jessie Earl
Aged 22, she lived in Eastbourne in 1980 when she disappeared. Found in 1989 in Beachy Head. Rather good argument for Tobin having killed her.
http://www.eastbourneherald.co.uk/news/local/tobin-link-to-jessie-s-murder-1-3977869

Pamela Hastie
16, murdered in the area Tobin grew up. Robert Black is a suspect but I say he didn't, as the chances of one serial killer striking where another grew up and was probably living in at the time is minuscule.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/real-life/mothers-in-arms-murdered-girls-mums-1079921

Janice Carole Weston
Janice was 36 when she was killed in 1983.
http://www.unsolved-murders.co.uk/murder-content.php?key=60

Julie Gardner
http://www.unsolved-murders.co.uk/murder-content.php?key=1508
Not able to find much.

Marion Hodge
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases-uk/1908dfuk.html
From Dumfries, currently missing.

Elia Karjalainen
Hitchhiking in November 1984. Murdered.
http://www.unsolved-murders.co.uk/murder-content.php?key=1815

Lisa Hession
Aged 14, murdered on 8th December 1984 as she came home from a party. Her clothing may have made her look older.
http://www.wigantoday.net/news/local/dna-swab-programme-in-hunt-for-lisa-s-killer-1-3255383

Suzy Lamplugh
Went to see a client called 'Mr Kipper' on 28th July 1986. Never returned. Declared dead in 1994.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases-uk/426dfuk.html

Nicola Fellows and Karen Hadaway
Aged nine and ten, these two girls were murdered on 9th October 1986 in Wild Park, Brighton.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/11524584.Families_relive_heartache_of_Babes_in_the_Woods/?ref=mr

Ann Ballantine
http://www.scotsman.com/news/edinbu...allantine-hope-killer-can-be-caught-1-1194680

Linda Cook
Killed in Portsmouth on 9th December 1986.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Linda_Cook

Louise Kay
Aged 18, she disappeared in Eastbourne.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases-uk/1712dfuk.html

Donna Healey
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-21024977

Janine Downes
http://www.unsolved-murders.co.uk/murder-content.php?key=1556

Sharon Hoare
http://www.unsolved-murders.co.uk/murder-content.php?key=1559

Gail Whitehouse
http://www.unsolved-murders.co.uk/murder-content.php?key=1552

Maria Requena
http://www.unsolved-murders.co.uk/murder-content.php?key=1551

Nicola Payne
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/victims-of-serial-killer-peter-tobin-248076

Johanna Young
http://www.norfolk.police.uk/newsan...homicideattemptedhomicides/johannayoung1.aspx

Amanda Duncan
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases-uk/1046dfuk.html

Jennifer Kiely
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/4215443.stm

Here is some jewelry that Tobin had in his possession.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8418183.stm
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Helen Kane is another Sinclair killing. He lived at the time about two streets away from the construction site in Edinburgh, where her battered body was found.

Sharon Hoare is widely believed to be victim of Camden Ripper, Anthony Hardy.

Lamplaugh almost everyone agrees was another victim of the vile John Cannan.

Weston?. IMO the husband (now dead) had much more to do with the murder than thought. Even after his alibi was established, police still questioned him. A very odd case. Potentially anything from a random predator to something involving drugs and hit-men.
 
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