GUILTY UK - Tia Sharp, 12, New Addington, London, 3 Aug 2012 #3

[Louvie]

Re: hair length in rear of police vehicle as opposed to length of hair in artist's impression of SH at mag court:

already been discussed in another online forum and explained that the artist may attend the court hearing and must then recreate drawings of the accused from memory. Whether true or not although sounds reasonable

So the artist appears to have rendered sketch of SH that the public would recognise from pre-arrest

I'm in agreement on the artist issue, annoying as it is, this would make sense to me - either the artist wasn't present and didn't KNOW SH looked different, or else deliberately sketched inaccurately in order for the public to more easily recognise him. However, our current discussion relates to these photos rather than the artist impression: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...red-Tias-body-wrapped-in-black-bed-sheet.html

Having always had long hair myself, and always had partners with longer hair, I'm not clear on just how quickly hair grows when somebody shaves their head... Is this realistic for 48+ hours? Assuming the captions are correct, the photos were definitely taken less than 72 hours apart - the arrest around 5pm(?) Friday evening, the photos in the link above taken mid-afternoon on I think Monday?

 

[Jaccles]

Really?! Amazing. I'm choosing to believe that it was The Scum or The Daily Fail that initially committed this sin (I'm a dressage fan - to me it's a sin) and that any other papers who made the error were only following in their moronic footsteps...

Taken from a news site....looking at the pics it was bizarre that no one noticed prior to editing lol "several newspapers - including the Daily Express, Daily Star and Mirror - accidentally pictured another dressage team instead of Britain's gold medallists."

Sorry for going OT, just shows though how the media get overexcited in the publication of images...

 

[josie1986]

are we allowed to sleuth PM?

has anyone came across a facebook for SH or PM?

 

[India99]

New Addington: the benighted estate Tia Sharp called home (theweek.co.uk)
It was meant to be a 1930s 'garden estate' – today it is as deprived as many inner city communities

the rest at link above

this has been posted a few time but the more people who read it the better, it might give another insight into the local area.

 

[Zantia]

With regard to earlier posts about PM's involvement....is it possible that he perhaps gave SH a lift to Merton in his car?
10 miles is a long way to walk, and had SH traveled by bus he would have been spotted earlier by the police.

 

[wfgodot]

are we allowed to sleuth PM?

has anyone came across a facebook for SH or PM?

Yes, as Meehan was arrested, we're allowed to. Didn't find much but didn't search hard. Originally from Swansea, which might be a place to start.

 

[India99]

are we allowed to sleuth PM?

has anyone came across a facebook for SH or PM?

you might have a few problems with PM as he has the same name as somebody in the Shannon Mathews case and i doubt SH even knew how to use a PC.

i would guess google is going to come up with way too many results for one person to sift through unless you are really that bored lol

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

May I be obtuse and ask... what is the significance in ascertaining who is in the back of the police car? I must be missing the point. We know more than one is in custody, so why is this important? Thanks.

 

[India99]

May I be obtuse and ask... what is the significance in ascertaining who is in the back of the police car? I must be missing the point. We know more than one is in custody, so why is this important? Thanks.

something about hair growth in 3 days

 

[laserdisc10]

its very rare for somebody to not have handcuffs on after they are arrested, especially after they have had to be hunted down.

as for the other two, i would guess they were asked to help Police with their enquiries and arrested in the interview room.

Thing is though, he hadn't absconded. All he'd done was depart the house and go for a wander. It was after he left that they discovered the child's remains at which point they realised the gravity of their mistakes in not finding her sooner and not putting a tail on him. As a bit of an overreaction/belated attempt to save their tails, they put out a public warning that he was not to be approached, etc.

At that point they had two individuals, one of whom (CS) was 'escorted' to a police car as the 'pre-arranged' search was kicking off and SH who had apparently ambled away some time prior. They hadn't cuffed CS, because at that point they'd found nothing so had no justification to cuff her unless she'd violently struggled and refused to leave the house. In the same way, from a layman's perspective, did they have justification for cuffing SH in the town? I don't know. I mean I'd cuff him - they'd just discovered the child's remains. But he hadn't 'run' or attempted to evade them, despite media claiming he'd been 'hiding under a bush' or 'hiding behind a log'

An explanation offered as a possibility in another forum is that they didn't cuff him as revealed by the photo in the rear of the police vehicle because to do so was to risk 'inflaming public opinion' or something similar

 

[kaos]

The Mail says that after meeting Chloe, and buying a lighter and vodka off Mr Jayakumar, Hazell “entered the Sculpture hair salon on Cannon Hill Lane at around 5.30pm”. Bryoni Goodwin, 18, works in the salon. She says:

“He came into the salon and my boss dealt with him. He said ‘Have you seen Tia?’ He told us that he was her granddad and I did recognise him from the TV but at that stage I didn’t realise he was wanted. He said she was used to walking in the area as she went to school around here and that he was looking for her. He had tears in his eyes the whole time but we thought that was normal. We told him we hadn’t seen her and then he walked out with tears in his eyes.”

It doesn't say whether he had a haircut from that snippet but his arrest wasn't until 8pm.

 

[Louvie]

May I be obtuse and ask... what is the significance in ascertaining who is in the back of the police car? I must be missing the point. We know more than one is in custody, so why is this important? Thanks.

There probably isn't a point. Somebody on the old thread just raised the point earlier that it was odd that a) SH had got himself a haircut and b) that that haircut seemed to have grown out in a VERY short period... I then theorised that perhaps that was PM in the back of the police car and the photo was mislabelled, as we up to now haven't seen any pictures of PM for reference.

Genuinely sorry if I derailed the thread with something insignificant, wasn't my intention, I just found it intriguing!

 

[Cherwell]

As a bit of an overreaction/belated attempt to save their tails, they put out a public warning that he was not to be approached, etc.

That could equally be to prevent people attacking him, don't you think?

 

[India99]

Thing is though, he hadn't absconded. All he'd done was depart the house and go for a wander. It was after he left that they discovered the child's remains at which point they realised the gravity of their mistakes in not finding her sooner and not putting a tail on him. As a bit of an overreaction/belated attempt to save their tails, they put out a public warning that he was not to be approached, etc.

At that point they had two individuals, one of whom (CS) was 'escorted' to a police car as the 'pre-arranged' search was kicking off and SH who had apparently ambled away some time prior. They hadn't cuffed CS, because at that point they'd found nothing so had no justification to cuff her unless she'd violently struggled and refused to leave the house. In the same way, from a layman's perspective, did they have justification for cuffing SH in the town? I don't know. I mean I'd cuff him - they'd just discovered the child's remains. But he hadn't 'run' or attempted to evade them, despite media claiming he'd been 'hiding under a bush' or 'hiding behind a log'

An explanation offered as a possibility in another forum is that they didn't cuff him as revealed by the photo in the rear of the police vehicle because to do so was to risk 'inflaming public opinion' or something similar

or it wasn't actually him in the Police car

 

[Sooner Fan#1]

Just catching up and jumping in here to say, here's what I have convinced myself happened re: not finding Tia sooner. (Rest in peace, sweet girl)

The day the sniffer dog was brought in to search, I think...IMO the dog could have been "indicating" perhaps sniffing in the air? and the handler did not read his signs properly, thus the delay. Still would have been a case of "human error." I have trained tracking dogs for sport, dog NOT certified, nor am I a certified trainer.

I had a yellow lab that passed 2 years ago (Shosty, you were great dog, baby) I have pear trees in my back property and when they fall, make a real mess with the lawn mower, not to mention collect wasps. I would pick them up and throw them in the pond and he would retrieve them as fast as I throwing them in! Sheesh...

Anyway, tired of arguing with myself over it and thought I'd throw it out there LOL

 

[laserdisc10]

It doesn't say whether he had a haircut from that snippet but his arrest wasn't until 8pm.

The buying-vodka cctv stills show he's had a hair cut AND removed the goatee. Who picked up on that? Not me - I only noticed the hair, not the missing goatee. So we're not so hot as 'sleuthers'

The discrepancy between the vodka-vid (shorn hair, no goatee) and the artist's rendering of SH at the mag court (longer hair and goatee?) as 'artistic licence' whereby the artist who provided sketches for the media is not allowed to sketch in court and must create the sketch from memory. If that's correct, the artist did one of 3 things: (1) drew the sketch prior to the court appearance (2) drew the sketch based on existing photos of SH which the public would recognise or (3) made SH look as dangerous and decrepit as possible to cater to alleged public outrage - or some other reason altogether

 

[laserdisc10]

That could equally be to prevent people attacking him, don't you think?

Point

 

[laserdisc10]

or it wasn't actually him in the Police car

I don't know. Media claimed it was. Witnesses around. Jacket matched the one worn in the vodka-cctv ? If it were the neighbour and the media was there to photograph him, wouldn't they have other photos in the set with more facial detail - to cater to public curiosity and increase circulation?

 

[India99]

still strange that there have been no pics of the 3rd man though

i say 3rd man as i'm still debating whether CS is actually a woman lol

 

[kaos]

Are the police allowed to take photographs of SH's body under arrest or would he have to be charged before they were allowed to take any?

He's had possibly 8 days for any bruising/scratches to fade.