WARNING:GRAPHIC PHOTOS Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #8

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Don't blame you one bit for not claiming that info... from one on the AK bandwagon.

I wish some posters would understand there is no bandwagon, that most of us are critical of ILE techniques because they are substandard, that we are aware of the phenomenon of coerced testimony because there is extensive data available on the subject, and--most importantly--that we have no emotional attachment to Amanda Knox. She means nothing to me except that she is one more victim of sloppy police and prosecution work.
 
I think you misunderstood... I was referring to Waterbury.
 
I didn't claim to be the author of that info for one reason: because I wasn't. I provided proper attribution to the person who did the testing and provided a link to the site.
 
I think you misunderstood... I was referring to Waterbury.

But you seemed to imply that Sleuthy was distancing herself from Waterbury's remarks because Waterbury was on the "bandwagon". As Sleuthy herself points out, she was merely following proper citation rules.

I realize AK's family has been very active in rounding up support for her and perhaps there are internet posters who are so emotionally involved with AK personally that it influences their views of the evidence.

But I've seen none of that sort of "virtual" attachment here. I'll say it again: I don't know Amanda Knox (or even much about her outside the details that seem relevant to this case) and I have no emotional investment in her guilt or evidence.

I will admit, however, that I am strongly opposed to convicting anyone for any crime without strong corroborating evidence
 
I didn't claim to be the author of that info for one reason: because I wasn't. I provided proper attribution to the person who did the testing and provided a link to the site.

Where it came from wasn't as important IMO as how wrong it was... as I noted on each point.
 
But you seemed to imply that Sleuthy was distancing herself from Waterbury's remarks because Waterbury was on the "bandwagon". As Sleuthy herself points out, she was merely following proper citation rules.

I realize AK's family has been very active in rounding up support for her and perhaps there are internet posters who are so emotionally involved with AK personally that it influences their views of the evidence.

But I've seen none of that sort of "virtual" attachment here. I'll say it again: I don't know Amanda Knox (or even much about her outside the details that seem relevant to this case) and I have no emotional investment in her guilt or evidence.

I will admit, however, that I am strongly opposed to convicting anyone for any crime without strong corroborating evidence

*No, I realized that SG was posting it to back her views. I just pointed out what IMO was wrong about his 'testing/views'.

*For sure.

*At no time have I noticed anyone accusing you of having any 'attachment'.

*IMO, and as I'm sure is quite redundant- there is plenty of 'corroborating' evidence. In fact that can be turned around: Is there ANY corroborating evidence (or any at all) that they were NOT involved in the murder of Meredith?


Here's a few corroborators:
-No alibi for AK or RS. (Computer does NOT show human activity)
-Luminal BARE footprints in hallway attributed to AK and RS.
-A BARE footprint on the bathroom mat attributed to RS.
-AK's dna mixed with Meredith's blood in at least 5 places. Several are AK's blood mixed in the bathroom.
-AK's dna and Meredith's on the knife. If the test is verified it will be a 'death blow' to her defense. If not, she still will have little chance at appeal IMO.
-RS's dna on the bra clasp. If verified... see above.
-An obvious staging of a break-in.
-Evidence of a clean-up.
-An admittance by AK of being at the crime scene at least twice.
-Both admitting being under the influence to such an extent that they 'lost' some of their memory.
-Repeated 'rubbish' told by both accused on what actually happened that night and the early morning.
-Another person convicted and all appeals failed. Found CONTRIBUTING and CO-RESPONSIBLE for Meredith's death.

These are facts IMO, no excuses or counterarguments are necessary. No mentions of weird or exotic behavior, no 'media' spins, no accusation, no added rumors, no added stories, no added anything. I could but it would go for pages and pages.

***What corroborating 'things' on the innocent side? :waitasec:
 
*No, I realized that SG was posting it to back her views. I just pointed out what IMO was wrong about his 'testing/views'.

*For sure.

*At no time have I noticed anyone accusing you of having any 'attachment'.

*IMO, and as I'm sure is quite redundant- there is plenty of 'corroborating' evidence. In fact that can be turned around: Is there ANY corroborating evidence (or any at all) that they were NOT involved in the murder of Meredith?


Here's a few corroborators:
-No alibi for AK or RS. (Computer does NOT show human activity)
-Luminal BARE footprints in hallway attributed to AK and RS.
-A BARE footprint on the bathroom mat attributed to RS.
-AK's dna mixed with Meredith's blood in at least 5 places. Several are AK's blood mixed in the bathroom.
-AK's dna and Meredith's on the knife. If the test is verified it will be a 'death blow' to her defense. If not, she still will have little chance at appeal IMO.
-RS's dna on the bra clasp. If verified... see above.
-An obvious staging of a break-in.
-Evidence of a clean-up.
-An admittance by AK of being at the crime scene at least twice.
-Both admitting being under the influence to such an extent that they 'lost' some of their memory.
-Repeated 'rubbish' told by both accused on what actually happened that night and the early morning.
-Another person convicted and all appeals failed. Found CONTRIBUTING and CO-RESPONSIBLE for Meredith's death.

These are facts IMO, no excuses or counterarguments are necessary. No mentions of weird or exotic behavior, no 'media' spins, no accusation, no added rumors, no added stories, no added anything. I could but it would go for pages and pages.

***What corroborating 'things' on the innocent side? :waitasec:

fred, you are correct about this much: to my knowledge, nobody has accused me personally of being blinded by AK's magical charisma. But the notion that those of us who believe the evidence fails to prove her guilty beyond a reasonable doubt have been somehow blinded by the Knox PR machine is often implied.

As for your list of supposed evidence, I don't see the point in going through it again. The bra clasp is obviously contaminated; we've all seen the video. If you choose to believe it holds conclusive evidence, there's not much I can say.

Likewise, even IF--big IF--the kitchen knife has what ILE claims it has, it's more likely random contamination than evidence that it was the murder weapon.

The conviction of RG ought to give you pause. For there is indeed an "abundance" (I'm using otto's word here) of evidence against him. Comparing the case against RG to the case against AK and RS should give us all pause.

Etc. and so forth.
 
Wasn't asking to go thru it. Just wanted something from your side of the fence.
Contamination has to be proven. It has not been so far.
 
Wasn't asking to go thru it. Just wanted something from your side of the fence.
Contamination has to be proven. It has not been so far.

BBM.

Wrong. Acceptable evidence collection and analysis practices have to be followed; if they are not, then any results obtained through said analyses are questionable, at best. We have documented video proof that proper practices were not followed.

That aside, I feel the fact that non-blood DNA could be found on the supposed murder weapon without any blood cells being found on the weapon *is* proof of contamination.

(Or else maybe it's additional proof of that elusive magic cleaning solution that AK and RS have to selectively remove only certain DNA profiles from surfaces and materials! :D)
 
Wasn't asking to go thru it. Just wanted something from your side of the fence.
Contamination has to be proven. It has not been so far.

I think this is one area where we differ greatly. It is my belief that if a prosecutor wants to use evidence (such as DNA) in a criminal case, they must show that contamination is not likely -- that is, that the evidence (DNA) is connected to the crime.

That's why you often see policemen or technicians on the stand, testifying to collection methods, chain of custody, etc.

If the defense can show improper collection or storage, that is enough to get a piece of evidence thrown out. Or at least it should be.
 
But: Although y'all think there is 'proof' of contamination, the defense wasn't able to show it or prove it. The evidence collection and testing has been verified as legit by the top forensic specialist in Italy.
 
But: Although y'all think there is 'proof' of contamination, the defense wasn't able to show it or prove it. The evidence collection and testing has been verified as legit by the top forensic specialist in Italy.

Then the "top forensic specialist in Italy" is an idiot.
 
Well ok then. :floorlaugh:

Laugh all you like. You've seen the same video we all have of the bra clasp being passed around and then placed back on the floor. If you trust someone who deems that to be "legit" collection of evidence, I don't know else to say on the subject.
 
Do happen to know the sq footage of her room?
- Your link directs us back to this thread..

Per this site:

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/C309/




2.91 x 3.36 meters (roughly 9.5 x 11 feet). Very small room.

(Note: The above was surprisingly difficult to find. The numbers in meters are taken from a Power Point tour of the cottage that you can find at the above link.)
 
Laugh all you like. You've seen the same video we all have of the bra clasp being passed around and then placed back on the floor. If you trust someone who deems that to be "legit" collection of evidence, I don't know else to say on the subject.

'don't know what else to say on the subject' all you like.
 
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