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I believe the killer of these young men is a long haul trucker. I also believe that he grew up in a dysfuntional, uneducated, unnurturing family. No love, just existance.

His intelligence is probably at a higher level than most. However, because of his background and low self esteem, he is killing these young men who are high achievers.

It appears to me that since he IS NOT capable of achieving his desires in life because of low self esteem, he is killing these young people who are achieving.

I believe he's bi-sexual, nice looking, charming, early thirties and is able to adapt in any situation because of his intelligence and ability to disguise himself intellectually. Probably a master in deception?

I don't believe he has formal education.
 
I do agree with much of what you stated. I just think it is so fishy how this person is able to abduct these young men without detection and knows that icy water will kill the men in minutes and not leave a trace of evidence. What's the draw? Committing the perfect crime, watching the victim drown, or stalking? I haven't really heard anything about sexual abuse of the victims. I don't know... maybe the water washes away any evidence of that too.
 
Nearly everyone of these men were involved in sports. Basketball, football, hockey, soccer, baseball, wrestling and track. One retired from the military and another in looking into it. None of these men were "light weights" in terms of health and activity.

They were stalked. A person perhaps a little older, but not much. Possibly engages them in talking about sports/games. Learns were they go to school and what they do for extracurricular activities. Nearly all are last seen at some bar/pub. 99% are all during the academic year.

It could be a person that may not have a B.S/B.A. degree, but perhaps a guy that has gone to school many times over the years. Maybe an associates degree that he does nothing with.

All about power, control, and taking out someone to possibly feel empowered and better than the victim. To "feel" stronger than the victim.

IMHO
 
Like I said I'm on board with this trucker theory. The detectives did mention; however, that there seem to be several men being found at the same time in different states and that is why I think they believe it is some kind of gang activity because the locations are so far apart. It cannot yet unequivocally be stated that both men died and were placed in the river at the same time though.

I believe the detectives use the word gang in the loosest sense of the word, as in: two or more people.

Now I'm tending toward thinking that Sisinewa does not hold a cultural meaning in terms of these crimes--it is the location of another murder and that is it.
 
I think they just left "Sinsinewa" tagged so that LE would connect the murders and they could get some credit. All the victims have similar backgrounds; i do think women may be involved in some of the killings. These killers are very clean; no knives, guns involved. They don't want to deal with any extra mess that could identify them. I don't think it's Native American gangs or any other known organized gangs. Most likely a cult type of satanists and or a group similar to the movie "fight club" in which they kill instead.
 
MeoW333 said:
I think they just left "Sinsinewa" tagged so that LE would connect the murders and they could get some credit. All the victims have similar backgrounds; i do think women may be involved in some of the killings. These killers are very clean; no knives, guns involved. They don't want to deal with any extra mess that could identify them. I don't think it's Native American gangs or any other known organized gangs. Most likely a cult type of satanists and or a group similar to the movie "fight club" in which they kill instead.
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I agree with you on that. I like the fight club analogy,too. There are too many deaths to have just one person, or even two people responsible. And geographically it would be exhausting to cover that much territory. The trouble with that, though, is the larger the group you get, the more difficult it becomes to keep everyone quiet.
Does anyone know if the deaths in the Upper Midwest have stopped? I haven't heard much lately and I was wondering if things became too obvious for any more activity.
 
Okay, I am rethinking my theory. I do believe there are multiple people involved, some of which are educated in forensics or police sciences. I would hope the authorities are investigating the bartenders as possible people who are involved. Many victims go back to retrieve their coats from the bar or are found to have left the bar without their jackets during winter months.( are the bartenders "holding" their jackets behind the bar for them) I noted that quite a few victims have also been noted to have been last seen talking to two girls before they went missing (but I do realize this is common in a bar ... just something to keep note of).

Here's maybe a scenario: The bartender marks a victim by offering to hold the persons jacket behind the bar. The others begin the routine. Make conversation , find out who he is with, where he is from,how he got there. Later the bartender drugs the victim and the (possibly two girls) head him off at the bathroom. Escort him out the back door to the awaiting van where others take care of the rest.

In another instance maybe the girls, or boys are in attendance of a college party and they mark the victim by taking his coat . (Nick Garza did not have his coat with him when he left his friends dorm to walk back to his own dorm) It would be easy to slip something into his drink, and others just wait outside until someone incoherent and without a jacket walks outside. "Hey you need a ride? It's freezing out here and I could drop you off at your dorm." They may even impersonate security patrol men... police officers or taxi drivers .
 
I double checked and Nichoas Garza's winter coat was in his dorm room,so he didn't have it with him at all when he went missing.
 
Rudolf said:
I agree with you on that. I like the fight club analogy,too. There are too many deaths to have just one person, or even two people responsible. And geographically it would be exhausting to cover that much territory. The trouble with that, though, is the larger the group you get, the more difficult it becomes to keep everyone quiet.
Does anyone know if the deaths in the Upper Midwest have stopped? I haven't heard much lately and I was wondering if things became too obvious for any more activity.
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There's quite often no new cases between May and September. Things should start picking up here in a month to six weeks, judging from recent years. :(

JMHO
fran
 
My theory is that these killings are done by people who have made it their vocation, with their real job being secondary. They move into a targeted town, get a job on campus or in a bar, blend-in, maybe take a class, pick victims, and then begin their real work. When school is out, they leave with the general population of students. It would answer the question of why so many students died in the same area, yet have disappeared across the country too. It would answer the question about what they did for a living, (unless they are independently wealthy!). It's how they hide, because they have no personal ties to the victim. They live like all the other students, except for this one thing. And because of the mobility of students, being new in town isn't questioned. I think they might have some tie to the bars, either bartender, server, musician, some sort of service person. Although, who knows about that part, maybe just a friendly regular customer(s). And they keep in touch by computer. I think the way a lot of you seem to think, that its just some anonymous friendly guy. Maybe he sets it up and when the victim is targeted, he calls for a secondary team that comes in to "help".
 
I definately think its a group.
Very probably some splinter group of the Process or some other like inspired cult.
 
kline said:
I definately think its a group.
Very probably some splinter group of the Process or some other like inspired cult.
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Agreed, but maybe more than 1 group, and with an element of "fringe"
 
Blink34 said:
Agreed, but maybe more than 1 group, and with an element of "fringe"
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I couldnt agree more. I think your right on the money.
As with the Sam group they dont have to be card carrying members of some order.
They could be a fraternity of very eclectic sickos drawing from a variety of bent philosophies but Id bet the Process is somewhere in the recipe.
*advertiser censored* production and drugs will also be in the mix no doubt.
 
I found a very interesting site (a conspiracy forum). There is a theory on this board that the killer (or killers) could be a technician with TRANE.

http://www./forum1/message542174/pg1

According to this site (a lot of posts, but I've read through them all!), people have suggested that the killings are taking place in many areas where Trane is known to have training facilities. The person is abducted and perhaps driven around in a van. The technicians have use of R-22 refrigerant, which wouldn't be out of place for their job.. and could be used to knock people out (and if/when found, there doesn't seem to be any evidence of foul play). Also, check out the HVAC they use.. it has a smiley face on it. http://www.refcoswiss.com/nordamerika/kapitel/vacuumpumpen_e.htm (maybe somehow they're sucking the breath out of victims).

There is another theory mentioned in the same thread, which is about a cult killing people.. using women to lure the men away from their friends. The women either drug them - as in many cases in Latin America, where this type of this is actually taking place-or give them over to the actual killer(s).
 
Some other information, which I posted on the conspiracy forum..

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/may/27/italy.internationalcrime

The case of the California man who was drugged while on vacation in Italy, and was hit by a train... The detective being interviewed said this is a huge problem in Europe, Latin America, the Philippines.. There is a gang in Mexico (I think they said "Las Coterras")- prostitutes luring men, giving them sleeping pills, or things like Ativan, so they can steal their things. They might be knocked out for a short period of time.. sometimes days. But the men are often "accidentally" given lethal doses (by the women).

"Gangs using narcotic spray to carry out train robberies are also on the rise in Italy, police said. The gangs board sleeper trains and drug passengers in couchettes before hopping off at stations with valuables."
 
Ativan is a benzo that is used to treat anxiety. However with people's chemistry varying by the individual, it may knock some out, especially if combined with other chemicals/alchohol.
There are so many drugs/chemicals that could be potentially be used for these murders.
Whatever the group is who is responsible for the killings, they are using some kind of control over their members, as they all keep mum about it. It's either brainwashing (which i would think hard to do with members outside of a compound or isolated setting) or some form of blackmail so that the members are scared to speak about the murders.
 
i doubt they have a death pact.they might swear a oath of secrecy and silence and nthe punishment might be death so i guess that might be a deathpact.
 
The Trane Theory.
Glen Leadly and Jessiah Jameson

Two similar cases that can be linked to both The Trane Corporation and a cab that was said to be called but the drivers never located. Was there even a real cab?

Glen leadly took a job with a company in Chicago called Anixter

*Scott Javins was last seen in his silver Honda Civic in Terra Haute ,Indiana.

He worked at Paitson Brothers Hardware

*Wade Steffy,a Purdue student in West Lafayette ,Indiana was last seen alive January 13,07. Wade was last seen at a party on Donald Ross Road.He was carrying a silver verizon cell phone. Police are confident Steffy was not intoxicated when he left the party.

He was found dead in a utility room at Owen Hall

Benjamin Collen in Chicago died of Aspyxiation

Brian Carrick in Johnsburg ,Illinois abducted from a supermarket.There were signs of a struggle in the walk in cooler.The ac unit leaked a pool of water on the floor which would have destroyed any evidence of the struggle below should fingerprints were left . A body of someone that looked identical was found in California,but there was a height difference reported.I will get back to that but first the Trane Theory video.This case is very complex.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXxg5GjWbGw

See link below for info about what the company Glen Leadly went to work for does
http://contractingbusiness.com/business_bits/cb_imp_75997/

It seems to me one of the things the killers do is mock the police.This may be why Brandon Swansons car was found in a ditch near Taunton among other things .I will get back to that later as I said this is very complex and looks like organized murder .

Back to Brian Carrick- He disappeared before the following people....

Joshua Haight went missing July 13 -05
Benjamin Lund went missing from Harkin Heights Texas June 13 2005.

Foul play is suspected

Brian Carrick’s Date Of Birth: September 13, 1985.

On top of all that Joshua Haight was wearing a hat with a big C on it-see link below

http://www.kristenfoundation.org/cgi-bin/datacgi/database.cgi?file=hw&report=sp&ID=053

Ok now back to Brandon Swanson but first consider the case of Soumakis and Campbell.The dates of disappearances added together would be 12 or 13 depending on the time of actual abduction. Swanson is a BRAND made by Campbell's and he disappeared the 13th.13 repeats itself over and over .It repeats itself with birthdays,dates of disappearances.It repeats itself backwards-31

ok thats all for now ..bye
 
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