When will we see the Evidence?

[Janis396]

Cindy has said nothing will convince her that Casey harmed Caylee. A body being found will just be blamed on the nanny/kidnapper and mostly placed on LE's fixation with her persecuted daughter. Had they just followed up on those tips she keeps yelling about they could have found her before her untimely death.

There is no point in hoping for Casey taking any responsibility, or Cindy EVER acknowledging that Casey did anything wrong. This is the dynamic they will play out for life. Casey wrongfully convicted and Cindy, misunderstood and the victim of two tragedies.

I wish that the media would quit granting her interviews. Seriously, what does she have to say that has any real relevance? Nothing. She's proven that again and again. She's on the blame game train, and I'm sick of having to listen to it. Wouldn't it take the wind out of her self-righteous sails if none of the media came around or agreed to interview her anymore?

 

[liltigress]

I may be mistaken but I thought it was ruled early on when Jose tried to seal documents, that LE and SA are to decide if any information turned over was to be released to the public... So I take that to mean, just because Jose is entitled to discovery, the public still will not be if LE doesn't want it publicized. That really would be best in the interest of the case, though I'm nosy enough that I wanna see it all!!! lol.

The only reason Jose had any of the document dump this far is because LE released it to the public. They left plenty out. The chloroform searches and such.

I believe we will hear the evidence when it is presented at trial.

Funny though that Jose didn't ask for a speedy trial. I'm sure it was in his client's best interest since he's got lots of reading and preparing to do.

 

[Terilee]

I may be mistaken but I thought it was ruled early on when Jose tried to seal documents, that LE and SA are to decide if any information turned over was to be released to the public... So I take that to mean, just because Jose is entitled to discovery, the public still will not be if LE doesn't want it publicized. That really would be best in the interest of the case, though I'm nosy enough that I wanna see it all!!! lol.

The only reason Jose had any of the document dump this far is because LE released it to the public. They left plenty out. The chloroform searches and such.

I believe we will hear the evidence when it is presented at trial.

Funny though that Jose didn't ask for a speedy trial. I'm sure it was in his client's best interest since he's got lots of reading and preparing to do.

Although I would like to see eveything, I agree its safer to wait until the trial. And Baez seems to do alot of things that are not in the best interests of his client, Casey.

 

[elfie]

Although I would like to see eveything, I agree its safer to wait until the trial. And Baez seems to do alot of things that are not in the best interests of his client, Casey.

I don't think we will see anything significant that we have not already seen until the trial either.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Common sense dictates when we will see the actual evidence...it will be at trial as it is being presented to the Jury in this case.

Shouldn't this just be on the questions thread? Maybe a mod can merge it, please!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72412

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Somewhere down the line, when baby Caylee is found or when mom is found guilty, I believe JB may be vilified in the legal community. If he had advised his client in the beginning to deal for manslaughter.accidental death, Casey would have served jail time and been out to wreak havoc again in the future, By NOT dealing before the GJ ruled, I "believe" he can now only deal to take the DP off the table. :waitasec:

Would love to lnow what a more experienced lawyer would have advised..... this was quite a gamble.

That was a gamble which KC lost. The only explanation I can see is Baez actually believed KC's lies. If that is the case, she was represented to the best of his ability, but I do believe he should have advised her to take a manslaughter deal "IF" it was offered.

With all the charges she has now, she is going to get life no matter how they play it. If they can get the state to take the death penalty off the table, they better grab it.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

In Florida, Autopsy photos are not allowed to be published - by law. This law came about when media tried to get the pictures/details of Dale Earnhardt's death. Now, I don't know how it will work when remains are found - if it is considered 'an autopsy' when they are examined. Autopsy photos can be used at a trial, just can't be published elsewhere - I may not have stated that exactly, we may need someone with more expertise than I have about Florida law - but I do know that basically, autopsy photos can not be published.

I believe that is without the permission of the family, which won't happen. I don't want to see them anyway when they find her. I do believe she had head injuries though and that is why they don't want the body found. Even if the body is just bones, they can prove the head injuries.

 

[MiraclesHappen]

That was a gamble which KC lost. The only explanation I can see is Baez actually believed KC's lies. If that is the case, she was represented to the best of his ability, but I do believe he should have advised her to take a manslaughter deal "IF" it was offered.

With all the charges she has now, she is going to get life no matter how they play it. If they can get the state to take the death penalty off the table, they better grab it.

I sooo agree. I do not think Baez was consciously wheeling and dealing with a clear cut strategy in mind. I think a bit of it is flying by the seat of his pants, and seeing where he lands next. I have no idea how many cases he has handled. I don't necessarily use "number of years in practice" as an accurate gauge of experience.
One can be a lawyer for a relatively short period of time and end up doing more trials than many attys do in their whole career. But it seems that the way Baez has a tendency to short-circuit his own abilities to wheel and deal in this case...he does not have the necessary negotiating experiences and skills to accomplish much for his own cause.
He continuously burns bridges when it would be more favorable to the client to leave avenues open. I honestly believe he has negatively affected his abilities to bargain for future clients as well.
jmhumbleo

 

[Themis]

I sooo agree. I do not think Baez was consciously wheeling and dealing with a clear cut strategy in mind. I think a bit of it is flying by the seat of his pants, and seeing where he lands next. I have no idea how many cases he has handled. I don't necessarily use "number of years in practice" as an accurate gauge of experience.
One can be a lawyer for a relatively short period of time and end up doing more trials than many attys do in their whole career. But it seems that the way Baez has a tendency to short-circuit his own abilities to wheel and deal in this case...he does not have the necessary negotiating experiences and skills to accomplish much for his own cause.
He continuously burns bridges when it would be more favorable to the client to leave avenues open. I honestly believe he has negatively affected his abilities to bargain for future clients as well.
jmhumbleo

Well said, Miracles! Very well said. JB should have taken the initiative and opened the negotiations early on when the prosecution and LE badly wanted something; the location of the body. That was his best time to do it and he lost it. If he had defended based on unintentional accident and KC's fear of an overly controlling mother, she may have gotten a term of years. His problem -- KC and CA wouldn't back off their ludacris position that the Nanny stole her. CA is worried about disloyalty now? Wait until she realizes her daughter could have made a plea bargain for life or better. I'm afraid CA's world is going to have an 8 point earthquake when she realizes that.

 

[MiraclesHappen]

Well said, Miracles! Very well said. JB should have taken the initiative and opened the negotiations early on when the prosecution and LE badly wanted something; the location of the body. That was his best time to do it and he lost it. If he had defended based on unintentional accident and KC's fear of an overly controlling mother, she may have gotten a term of years. His problem -- KC and CA wouldn't back off their ludacris position that the Nanny stole her. CA is worried about disloyalty now? Wait until she realizes her daughter could have made a plea bargain for life or better. I'm afraid CA's world is going to have an 8 point earthquake when she realizes that.

Thanks Themis. :blowkiss:

Do you think JB has an inkling that Cindy may very well become an enemy, or is he too deeply immersed in the case?

That earthquake is going to separate Florida from the continental US. I hope I end up with beach access.:crazy:

 

[Gaia713]

really? when does Baez get to see the evidence the state has against his client?

He gets it before the trial and you can bet he will not leak it - I say that because most likely it is very damning to Casey. We will hear him whine and cry about not getting Discovery, but that is a charge that is very hard to prove. Every defense atty uses that line. I think it's page one in thee Defending a Guilty Party book. moo

 

[Gaia713]

I was wondering about this too. I was also wondering how long it will take to take her to trial. Now that she's been indicted, the clock is ticking and JB can ask for and receive a speedy trial. Thinking back on the SP case, it took like 6 months I think before his trial started.

Geragos was in delay delay delay mode throughout. Scott had to waive his right to a speedy trial. Stanislaus County had to hire a court clerk JUST to handle all of the paper that MG threw at the court. When not filing his motions, she sat and read a book. I don't think Baez is smart enough to bury the prosecution in paperwork considering he wasn't even able to file his first motion properly and does not give any case law in any of his motions - of course, Geragos rarely gave any case law in his either.

 

[Themis]

Thanks Themis. :blowkiss:

Do you think JB has an inkling that Cindy may very well become an enemy, or is he too deeply immersed in the case?

That earthquake is going to separate Florida from the continental US. I hope I end up with beach access.:crazy:

See, I think that's exactly where the problem lies. JB can't seem to see KC as his client as opposed to the A family as his client. The family is not his client! KC is his client. He acts like he's her babysitter. He comments that KC is somebody's child and she cries. He slathers after a "high profile" case, but doesn't do the things that would be done for KC's defense as an individual. If he had cast her as a perhaps neglectful very young mother who made a mistake of -- say falling asleep and didn't notice the pool ladder was up and found a dead baby, hid her etc because of the already tenuous conditions and extremely overbearing mother who had made her keep the baby, which she grew to love, then he would have been defending against the child neglect charge and a term of years. JB let this go on because he confused the roles of the A family and his client. IMHO, of course.

 

[Themis]

Geragos was in delay delay delay mode throughout. Scott had to waive his right to a speedy trial. Stanislaus County had to hire a court clerk JUST to handle all of the paper that MG threw at the court. When not filing his motions, she sat and read a book. I don't think Baez is smart enough to bury the prosecution in paperwork considering he wasn't even able to file his first motion properly and does not give any case law in any of his motions - of course, Geragos rarely gave any case law in his either.

Here, if no law is cited to support the motions; even if they are trying to advance the law, the judges are prone to refuse to hear it because it is frivolous. He could have been sanctioned for that.

 

[CaliKid]

I'm fine with waiting for the trial, especially if it means releasing information about the evidence jeopardizes KC's right to a fair trial.

 

[Themis]

I suppose we need a new thread on JB's representation.

 

[MiraclesHappen]

See, I think that's exactly where the problem lies. JB can't seem to see KC as his client as opposed to the A family as his client. The family is not his client! KC is his client. He acts like he's her babysitter. He comments that KC is somebody's child and she cries. He slathers after a "high profile" case, but doesn't do the things that would be done for KC's defense as an individual. If he had cast her as a perhaps neglectful very young mother who made a mistake of -- say falling asleep and didn't notice the pool ladder was up and found a dead baby, hid her etc because of the already tenuous conditions and extremely overbearing mother who had made her keep the baby, which she grew to love, then he would have been defending against the child neglect charge and a term of years. JB let this go on because he confused the roles of the A family and his client. IMHO, of course.

:clap:
Unless he gets himself some substantial help with the actual legal issues, there is going to be a rude awakening down the line for JB. Actually it will be awakenings on multiple front line battlegrounds.
I don't understand the necessity of these press conferences, the client escorts etc.
He would be better suited by burning the midnight oil with reference materials and uttering "No Comment" for the press.
jmhumbleo

 

[Gaia713]

LOL Laney - ITA with you re Cindy!. I know this sounds horrible, but to end their denials, I hope they have to identify whatever remains are found. Don't know if even THAT would shut Cindy up. Someone in that family should have enough sense to get George and Cindy into therapy. As many parents do, they can continue to support their daughter, even though NOT what she may have done. For their own meantal health, they have to come to terms with reality at some point - and the sooner the better. JMHO

Supporting their daughter is one thing. Interferring with the investigation and lying are something else. The Peterson Family set up their own tip line and they shared ZERO tips with LE. Then they had the gall to ask the Find Laci group to pay them for the phone. The didn't get it, of course. n Oh, the PEterson tip line ran at the same time as the police tip line. Thankfully, most people called the police, not the Petersons.

 

[MiraclesHappen]

Here, if no law is cited to support the motions; even if they are trying to advance the law, the judges are prone to refuse to hear it because it is frivolous. He could have been sanctioned for that.

Ya know,


I could forgive the lack of cites with the boilerplate stuff. Although, you really can't toss out too much expertise when a capital felony is looming on the horizon
But the idea of filing motions which are admittedly in "unknown" territory, and the concept of doing more "cutting edge" type work without attaching a memorandum of law and an affidavit. :nono:.
I am still shocked by it. Oh well...to each his own.

jmhumbleo

 

[Gaia713]

I believe that is without the permission of the family, which won't happen. I don't want to see them anyway when they find her. I do believe she had head injuries though and that is why they don't want the body found. Even if the body is just bones, they can prove the head injuries.

Autopsy photos of Laci and Conner Peterson are still sealed; however, court artist's drawings of them were released to the public.