Who was the tipster?

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CN2Souls said:
Please do not throw tomatoes, LOL


I think several people all contributed to the tips that lead to the search and LE statements
The FBI gentlemen who worked for CS for 10 months may have gotten info I am thinking form one small little person
The reason I state this is I have work with children who have been a victim of violent crimes for quit sometime. Given the right therapist and time to mature to a state where they can describe their thoughts better, I have had children younger than Jr. Come back years later and tell things they had seen or heard in detail and draw pictures that most people would think had no meaning but we were able to solve a crime with them.
Maybe not everything but a little piece here and there that started the ball rolling.
Then ToC stated singing his tune and what LE already had maybe made a complete puzzle.
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Your post made me think of something that I have never thought of before. I wonder if Law Enforcement also interviewed Tommy and Lyndsy's children about the afternoon of the 9th, they were supposedly brought over there to play with Haleigh and junior and were outside when the AC Man came over. One thing for sure, they would have had an absolute clear recollection of the events of that afternoon...instead of the clouded and fuzzy remembrances of every adult in their midst. JMO
 
elle1919 said:
Your post made me think of something that I have never thought of before. I wonder if Law Enforcement also interviewed Tommy and Lyndsy's children about the afternoon of the 9th, they were supposedly brought over there to play with Haleigh and junior and were outside when the AC Man came over. One thing for sure, they would have had an absolute clear recollection of the events of that afternoon...instead of the clouded and fuzzy remembrances of every adult in their midst. JMO
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So true, and children will most always tell the truth, when asked directly and maybe Haleigh would have stated something to them about what or how she was feeling.
 
oceanblueeyes said:
I think Lindsy already knew the story. He may have told her then told her he was just lying. But I think she has known for sometime the intricate details. Even Tommy said she knew.

What he didn't know imo is she told LE what she knew. Maybe afraid that she would be pulled in and implicated for keeping it a secret.

The only thing that is puzzling LE said way back in December 2009 that they knew what had happened to Haleigh the night she was taken.

And then when they held their PC about the river search both Bowling and Hardy stressed it was the [B]prior few weeks [/B]in their investigation that had brought them to where they were in April.

So I tend to believe there may be more than one who is talking now and both of these people's stories are lining up with each other as well as the ongoing investigation that has been done for 15 months now.

When Tommy spilled the beans LE knew that this time he was telling the truth because I think the details he gave lined up with the people who tipped off LE. LE seems to be guarding them closely and are vigilant that their identities are not revealed.

IMO
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I can't remember where I read it, but it was said that Tommy took Misty to the River in Dec. I wonder if it was the other way around? What if it was Ronald and Misty that took Tommy there?

Also, remember the weeks prior to the search Lindsey went up to MA to visit with Chelsea and Timmy. What if she went up there to dig up some info? Maybe even had the place tapped or she could of even been wired? LP seems to be helping Lindsey out and I wouldn't put it pass him to set something like that up.

As for how Misty and Tommy are getting there stories lined up, I feel that they are passing letters back and fourth through the jail and also through relatives. It was even said that Misty was writing Ronald and sending it to her mother for her to mail it back to Ronald. I would assume that LE keeps track of all the mail, but you never know, criminals have a way of getting things passed around with out getting caught all the time.
I still say, that Lindsey is the tipster...the way she was leading the conversations with Tommy at the jail always made me feel like she was trying to get him to say something.
 
What if cousin Joe spilled the beans and THAT is why he has not been arrested to date? Does his interviews fit into the timeline of the tipster?
 
MADJGNLAW said:
I can't remember where I read it, but it was said that Tommy took Misty to the River in Dec. I wonder if it was the other way around? What if it was Ronald and Misty that took Tommy there?

Also, remember the weeks prior to the search Lindsey went up to MA to visit with Chelsea and Timmy. What if she went up there to dig up some info? Maybe even had the place tapped or she could of even been wired? LP seems to be helping Lindsey out and I wouldn't put it pass him to set something like that up.

As for how Misty and Tommy are getting there stories lined up, I feel that they are passing letters back and fourth through the jail and also through relatives. It was even said that Misty was writing Ronald and sending it to her mother for her to mail it back to Ronald. I would assume that LE keeps track of all the mail, but you never know, criminals have a way of getting things passed around with out getting caught all the time.
I still say, that Lindsey is the tipster...the way she was leading the conversations with Tommy at the jail always made me feel like she was trying to get him to say something.
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I don't think the article was wrong. I think Tommy finally took Misty to the river and showed her where he and Joe disposed of Haleigh's body. That is why LE had both Misty and Tommy down at the boat ramp.

I remember what Nancy Grace said a few days ago and I tend to agree with her. I think LE has gone to a Judge and gotten wire taps on all the people connected to this case whether they are in Florida or Tennessee and have done so for quite awhile now.

I find that illogical. Police have been breathing down Misty and Tommy's neck from the get go. Anyone coming into see them while they have been incarcerated in jail would have their purses and pockets searched on the way out. It has even been said that LE has a copy of the letter that Misty supposedly wrote to a family member when she told what happened. If it was someone else in jail maybe so but with these people, I dont think so but even if they thought they could fool the jailers that is not the case. Imo, they are watching their every move. LE knows which inmates they talked to in jail. I would say that LE does continuous cell searches and watches the surveillance tapes inside the holding areas continuously.

I don't think they have gotten their stories together. Even Werter said somethings both remember in a different way but of course that seems more like the truth being told as one person can see the same event yet remember it differently.

I do agree though I think Lindsy may be the tipster but I am not sure if she is the only one. If she is then he has not told her what happened while he has been in jail. I think he confided in her sometime between when it happened and before he got arrested.

I think that is why she asked 'was it you?" so he wouldnt know she had already been talking with LE about what he had already told her that he said she already knew. She was protecting herself and doesn't want him to know she is the tipster.

IMO
 
oceanblueeyes said:
I don't think the article was wrong. I think Tommy finally took Misty to the river and showed her where he and Joe disposed of Haleigh's body. That is why LE had both Misty and Tommy down at the boat ramp.

I remember what Nancy Grace said a few days ago and I tend to agree with her. I think LE has gone to a Judge and gotten wire taps on all the people connected to this case whether they are in Florida or Tennessee and have done so for quite awhile now.

I find that illogical. Police have been breathing down Misty and Tommy's neck from the get go. Anyone coming into see them while they have been incarcerated in jail would have their purses and pockets searched on the way out. It has even been said that LE has a copy of the letter that Misty supposedly wrote to a family member when she told what happened. If it was someone else in jail maybe so but with these people, I dont think so but even if they thought they could fool the jailers that is not the case. Imo, they are watching their every move. LE knows which inmates they talked to in jail. I would say that LE does continuous cell searches and watches the surveillance tapes inside the holding areas continuously.

I don't think they have gotten their stories together. Even Werter said somethings both remember in a different way but of course that seems more like the truth being told as one person can see the same event yet remember it differently.

I do agree though I think Lindsy may be the tipster but I am not sure if she is the only one. If she is then he has not told her what happened while he has been in jail. I think he confided in her sometime between when it happened and before he got arrested.

I think that is why she asked 'was it you?" so he wouldnt know she had already been talking with LE about what he had already told her that he said she already knew. She was protecting herself and doesn't want him to know she is the tipster.

IMO
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Hi there! A question about the statement I bolded, do you know if a wire tap can be placed on a throw away phone? A pay as you go phone or whatever those are? Because that is what the Croslin family seems to use most regularly and I think they do that purposely so their conversations cannot be heard.

I have been pretty quiet today doing a lot of reading back through articles and stuff, and I am really starting to see how pointed LE were towards the Croslin family from the very beginning.
 
elle1919 said:
Hi there! A question about the statement I bolded, do you know if a wire tap can be placed on a throw away phone? A pay as you go phone or whatever those are? Because that is what the Croslin family seems to use most regularly and I think they do that purposely so their conversations cannot be heard.

I have been pretty quiet today doing a lot of reading back through articles and stuff, and I am really starting to see how pointed LE were towards the Croslin family from the very beginning.
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Hi there, ellie. Nice to "see" you.

You know I honestly dont know ellie. I wish I did know the answer.

I agree. When we piece it all together now there is no doubt they were always going in the direction of Joe, Misty and Tommy.

IMO
 
oceanblueeyes said:
Somehow that stuck me funny.

I don't think Joe is tipping nuttin unless it is a bottle of whiskey or beer maybe. lol

I doubt the tipster would lawyer up.

IMO
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As you've pointed out, however, Joe has had that attorney for various reasons for 3 years or so. Regardless of his attorney's presence, necessary as it appears to be, Joe could still be the tipster. And frankly, I believe he is, as well.
 
Maybe the title of the thread should be changed to "Who Was the 'Source-ster'?"

The sheriff said the search at the Shell Harbor Boat Ramp was the result of information obtained during interviews. In an e-mail Friday from the attorney for Hank Croslin Jr., Misty Cummings' brother, the attorney said Croslin took a polygraph test last week and met with investigators Monday to discuss the events of the night of Haleigh's disappearance. The attorney said Croslin took investigators to the Shell Harbor Boat Ramp, where the search began the next morning.

Overstreet and Cummings' grandmother, Flora Hollars, who also lives in Antioch, said it was her tip that led investigators to search the St. Johns River. Though Hardy said the tip did not come from Tennessee, but from a source.
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http://www.news4jax.com/news/23160821/detail.html

I vote Tommy.
 
Who knows, maybe there wasn't an actual tipster. Didn't LE claim a 95% surety of what happened? With those odds, they didn't need a tipster. They lock up the guilty parties, let them stew, & then 'work' on Tommy, (the obvious weak link), for location details, etc... I think it's very telling that Joe is free,but the other 3 aren't. I could never believe they'd risk, (considering the brutality of the accusations against Joe), allowing him to roam the streets. If they're 95% sure, & Joe is the perp, they'd have enough evidence in that 95% to get him locked up. So, I don't know where Steve Brown fits in, but I don't think there's an actual tipster.
 
elle1919 said:
Hi there! A question about the statement I bolded, do you know if a wire tap can be placed on a throw away phone? A pay as you go phone or whatever those are? Because that is what the Croslin family seems to use most regularly and I think they do that purposely so their conversations cannot be heard.

I have been pretty quiet today doing a lot of reading back through articles and stuff, and I am really starting to see how pointed LE were towards the Croslin family from the very beginning.
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Yes. Virtually any cell phone can be tapped. The difficulty with prepaid phones is tying the number to the owner since prepaid phones can be purchased anonymously and discarded frequently (burners). If the number and the owner are known, the technology is relatively simple once a LE agency obtains authorization.
http://reportingproject.net/new/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=402&Itemid=43

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/05/times-square-bombing-suspect-used-a-burner-phone.ars

To get back on topic, Hardy said the information that led them to the St Johns River search came from interviews. See the link at my post below (or above) depending on your user settings.
 
debs said:
As you've pointed out, however, Joe has had that attorney for various reasons for 3 years or so. Regardless of his attorney's presence, necessary as it appears to be, Joe could still be the tipster. And frankly, I believe he is, as well.
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Above BBM. I respectfully could not disagree more. Regardless of whether you believe he's involved in haleigh's murder or not. Joe's lifestyle along with his blatant "" like persona waving&pointing guns on public sites such as MS is one that wants to stay as far away from any LE radar as he possibly can. So, I frankly find Joe willingly contacting ANY LE,especially PCSO, about as likely as his cousin Misty telling the truth(slim to none)

... As are most posts here, Above is MOO ...
 
jessigirl said:
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Above BBM. I respectfully could not disagree more. Regardless of whether you believe he's involved in haleigh's murder or not. Joe's lifestyle along with his blatant "" like persona waving&pointing guns on public sites such as MS is one that wants to stay as far away from any LE radar as he possibly can. So, I frankly find Joe willingly contacting ANY LE,especially PCSO, about as likely as his cousin Misty telling the truth(slim to none)

... As are most posts here, Above is MOO ...
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I didn't say willingly. I don't think anything that has come from Joe was because he rushed into the waiting arms of LE. I think he was given a lesser of two evils choice, and seeing as how everyone in his family and everyone they're connected with wants to pin something onto him, and tons of strangers who've never seen him and only know him from his punk MS page wants to pin a murder onto him........well, like I said, I for one believe it was him.
 
I vote Tommy. I think Joe is a patsy in all of this, and Tommy needed to tell LE something because Misty is throwing them both under the bus and driving away. Tommy stated in one jail house conversation that he would make up something to tell the police if it got him out of jail. I don't know which one, but he was talking to his dad. Tommy is desperate and he is letting some of what Misty told him or what he knows first hand out to see if it will get him a less sentence. I still don't think anyone knows what happened to Haleigh but Misty. Others only know what she told them happened and she is playing them all against each other. JMO
 
I just had a thought...what if the source is Lindsy??? ToC gave her the details as he stated in the call with Nana, FH...maybe Lindsy, after ToC was arrested finally came through with the details to LE.

IIRC, (no links handy, going by memory) At the end of the year, 12/31/09, Greenwood had stated he received new information and now knows what happened the night HaLeigh was taken..then, April 2010 both Hardy/Bowling came out in PCs and said that it was the prior few weeks investigation that led them to believe Haleigh is now deceased and a homicide case.

Whatever happened might have scared ToC enough to finally come clean. Could definately be the divorce Lindsy had threatened him with... ToC stated he told Lindsy what happened, LE may have pressured her, telling her she will loose her children if she has information on what happened and didn't come forward and be arrested herself for knowledge after the fact? Then they get ToC to take this final LDT which proves he did know and escorted the police to the St. John's river..Just my thoughts..I do feel there was credible information given to move this case along, and it wasn't one of the three stooges....:waitasec:
 
LiveLaughLuv said:
I just had a thought...what if the source is Lindsy??? ToC gave her the details as he stated in the call with Nana, FH...maybe Lindsy, after ToC was arrested finally came through with the details to LE.

IIRC, (no links handy, going by memory) At the end of the year, 12/31/09, Greenwood had stated he received new information and now knows what happened the night HaLeigh was taken..then, April 2010 both Hardy/Bowling came out in PCs and said that it was the prior few weeks investigation that led them to believe Haleigh is now deceased and a homicide case.

Whatever happened might have scared ToC enough to finally come clean. Could definitely be the divorce Lindsy had threatened him with... ToC stated he told Lindsy what happened, LE may have pressured her, telling her she will loose her children if she has information on what happened and didn't come forward and be arrested herself for knowledge after the fact? Then they get ToC to take this final LDT which proves he did know and escorted the police to the St. John's river..Just my thoughts..I do feel there was credible information given to move this case along, and it wasn't one of the three stooges....:waitasec:
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I totally agree with this post!

All Tommy did was finally give them the exact location. They already had a tipster or tipsters giving them information on what had gone down and who was involved way before Tommy finally fessed up and took them to the boat ramp.

IMOO
 
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