SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #10

[bettiepageturner]

If we're to assume for a second (as implied in the recent HC article) that her Tumblr posts were tampered with, do you guys think it would more likely be a matter of content manipulation (i.e., posts that indicated a depressed mind set and thus hinted at suicide) or just something to show internet activity at the time?

I'm torn because that ~2 AM posting time isn't exactly a time we were confused about due to roommate calls and drop-off time. But the posts themselves, IMO, were a bit too subtle to convey anything like that, and were similar to ones she posted in the past. I will say that when I was more active on Tumblr I'd reblog something seemingly depressing just because I found it aesthetically pleasing or part of a recurring theme or mood, as did many of my otherwise non-depressed friends. HE's tumblr could've been any of ours content wise, so IMO her activity on it was routine, relatively mindless, and at worst, only partially influenced by a wistful mood.

But I doubt this is something that will ever be confirmed either way. I'm trying to stay more optimistic about overall case resolution, though. lease:

 

[jkloc420]

I just imagined another scenario where OM calls HE while fighting with wife (wife is in background perhaps yelling at husband). OM tells HE he is leaving his wife and HE gets shaken by hearing what's going on and begins to cry and calls friend. Wife then somehow gets OM's phone, and pretending to be OM texts HE where to meet, or OM leaves, texts HE where to meet, but is followed.
Although, I think it is more likely wife put OM up to helping her make HE disappear.
JMO

I thought maybe a 24 hour place that serves food. Maybe even a hotel in the area is where they could have met. They said the calls took place at 6 am. Where would you meet someone at 6 am in the morning. Maybe your place of employment.

 

[Clemsongurl88]

Concerning whether HE had a purse/wallet ,my daughter carries what is called a "wristlet".Very popular for the young girls.Vera Bradley wristlet is the most popular ones among my daughter's peers.Very handy to carry money,DL,and will hold a smart phone securely.A very handy strap on the end to hang around your wrist,thus the wristlet.

 

[Quill]

I've been lurking here on this case since the beginning. I have two daughters about the same age (21 & 18). This case truly breaks my heart as a mother.

A few thoughts regarding girls this age and recent discussions of her date night:

Phones: my oldest almost always drives with her phone in her lap. She does this because she doesn't text while driving but will answer or make a call on speaker phone. My youngest puts hers in the cup holder and won't touch it until she stops. When I saw the pic of her driving, I thought nothing of the phone being in her lap. It's just typical of many her age.

Purses: Mine have so many purses it would be a nightmare trying to narrow down what's here, what's at college and what is missing! They also sometimes carry a typical purse, but other times its only a wristlet or pocketbook/wallet. Mine rarely leave the house without one or the other, though.

Just some of my opinions and thoughts.

 

[Foxfire]

I've been lurking here on this case since the beginning. I have two daughters about the same age (21 & 18). This case truly breaks my heart as a mother.

A few thoughts regarding girls this age and recent discussions of her date night:

Phones: my oldest almost always drives with her phone in her lap. She does this because she doesn't text while driving but will answer or make a call on speaker phone. My youngest puts hers in the cup holder and won't touch it until she stops. When I saw the pic of her driving, I thought nothing of the phone being in her lap. It's just typical of many her age.

Purses: Mine have so many purses it would be a nightmare trying to narrow down what's here, what's at college and what is missing! They also sometimes carry a typical purse, but other times its only a wristlet or pocketbook/wallet. Mine rarely leave the house without one or the other, though.

Just some of my opinions and thoughts.

Welcome to the thread, Quill..and thanx for the input..

:wagon:

 

[jillycat]

For whatever it's worth, I don't think it's a big deal necessarily that her phone was out and in her lap. Particularly if pics were being exchanged...it would make sense that her date forwarded the image by text to her phone, and TE probably responded to the picture, so that was some back and forth activity.

I have my iPhone with me at all times and often I have it out of my purse when I'm away from home. It often sits beside me at restaurants or other venues, I have friends who text me routinely, and I may scan or glance at those texts when I'm out, depending on where I am or what I'm doing, but not respond then. I've also driven with my phone in my lap. So I'm always aware of activity on my phone.

I've seen nurses at a long term care facility where a family member resides with their phones beside their computers and they're texting to family or other nurses, or showing pics to other staff. Smart phones are like appendages in our culture.

I can see how text/call activity from any number of people could occur alongside a date and in the midst of an evolving crime and Heather could be aware of those incomings but not be attending to them at that time. Where and how contacts from and to OM fit in to her activity and whereabouts is kind of up in the air right now, at least to us on the outside. Even the date did not notice anything remarkable.

It's a smartphone world and I have a friend whose iPhone might as well be an accessory given its ever-changing colorful cases and bling and the fact that it's all but glued to her person everywhere she goes.

 

[Hatfield]

Oh, I agree and I've done the same. My point was, though, that Trackergd asked if space was rented there to dock boats and had the registrations of those boats been checked. I believe, and the locals on here can correct me if I'm wrong, but the landing has no docks or space for rent. It's used on a first-come basis. And as far as a log book goes, if it anything like some of the small landings I've used in the past, there isn't likely to be one. I haven't heard if one of the nearby trailers had any sort of administration of the landing with a log book. If so, there would be a source for LE to pinpoint when the car was first seen there by interviewing those who entered in the log book.

Im sorry. I didnt read back far enough.

Thanks for explaining.

 

[passionflower]

Do any articles mention dogs being used around OM boat and camper???
In Pittsburgh, there has been a case of an X boyfriend kidnapping his gal, driving her around for HOURS begging her to renew their relationship. She is lucky he left her go,
but somehow it reminded me of HE & OM.
wpxi.com/news

 

[lovinlife83]

I believe Heather was with the date she and the date said she was with. I don't believe she had any reason to further convolute her life with an unnecessary fabrication that served no purpose. She made her own choices, worked where she wanted to work, took a new job she wanted to take, paid her own bills, and had relationships as she chose to have them.

It would be a lot of work to come up with the date who isn't really the date story and advance it through sending phony pictures etc., when in reality, I don't think anyone in her life was or would have been that focused on what she was doing on a Tuesday night in December.

Do we have verified proof that she has paid all of her own bills up to this point? I haven't read it anywhere (I'm really asking and not being mean). When I was in college and in my own apartment, my parents still helped me a lot with extra money for food, electric, some rent, car insurance, etc. We know she had medical debt earlier in the year of $5k and I don't see any judgements against her in that amount so I would think (again no proof) they have been paid by somebody? On a hostess and server salary I don't think she could have paid it her self. Do we know?

 

[PeterThomasFan]

BBM:But you can backdate an existing post. (You have to post, then backdate.)
http://www.tumblr.com/docs/en/advanced_post_options#backdate-can
If someone had HE's phone, they could have done this with the last posts since no one was looking for her until the 19th, unless someone actually SAW those posts at the time they were posted. Or if they had her password, they could also do this.

In addition, as I mentioned previously, you can change your time zone in Tumblr, any posts you make will be at that time zone. Then you can change back to your current time zone and the new posts will be at the current time zone. The older posts don't change time with the time zone change. Someone would have to be thinking about this, but it can be done with minimal effort.

As to whether HE might have had any posts in her queue, that's anyone's guess. I know several people that randomly queue things depending on their mood. (maybe finds several things they like, but don't want to repost them all one one day, or has several thoughts at once and want to space them out)

But, as I said before, I don't trust Tumblr.


ETA: Nice SM activity list, BTW

I stand corrected @Ghostwheel. Thanks!

Looks like it can't be done when you make a new post but, you can after the fact or with a published post.

Can I backdate new posts?
No. You can only create a new post and backdate it after it's been published.

If HE's last 10 posts were "scheduled", why are the times so random? You'd think one would just post in succession by the minute (i.e., 1:00, 1:02, 1:03, 1:04, etc.) Why then: 1:53, 1:57, 1:58, 1:58, 1:59, 2:00, 2:00, 2:08, 2:09, 2:09?

 

[PeterThomasFan]

BBM ~ I think she knew her sm was being stalked by OMW. She quit posting. Didn't I read somewhere that she may have another twitter account that's private?

That is correct: https://twitter.com/holaimheather

 

[hockeymom4]

For whatever it's worth, I don't think it's a big deal necessarily that her phone was out and in her lap. Particularly if pics were being exchanged...it would make sense that her date forwarded the image by text to her phone, and TE probably responded to the picture, so that was some back and forth activity.

I have my iPhone with me at all times and often I have it out of my purse when I'm away from home. It often sits beside me at restaurants or other venues, I have friends who text me routinely, and I may scan or glance at those texts when I'm out, depending on where I am or what I'm doing, but not respond then. I've also driven with my phone in my lap. So I'm always aware of activity on my phone.

I've seen nurses at a long term care facility where a family member resides with their phones beside their computers and they're texting to family or other nurses, or showing pics to other staff. Smart phones are like appendages in our culture.

I can see how text/call activity from any number of people could occur alongside a date and in the midst of an evolving crime and Heather could be aware of those incomings but not be attending to them at that time. Where and how contacts from and to OM fit in to her activity and whereabouts is kind of up in the air right now, at least to us on the outside. Even the date did not notice anything remarkable.

It's a smartphone world and I have a friend whose iPhone might as well be an accessory given its ever-changing colorful cases and bling and the fact that it's all but glued to her person everywhere she goes.

I always have my phone out and near me when I am in my car, in my house, actually everywhere with me. In my opinion, while learning stick shift it is in her lap, face down so no one can see who texts or calls. Many people would put the phone face up or next to them. I don't think she wanted him to see who was calling or texting her.

 

[Londonrraine]

Does anyone here have a 20 y/old daughter?

What 20 yr/old sends a pic to her father from a "first date"?

Is anyone disturbed by HE having supposedly sent this picture? I sure am.

Date dismissed,..really? I'm starting to learn towards HE having possibly been set up. The OM and his wife are very convenient, but what if that's all they are?
This picture sent to TE, or to anyone from the date, on THAT NIGHT, bugs the Hell out of me.

 

[jillycat]

Do we have verified proof that she has paid all of her own bills up to this point? I haven't read it anywhere (I'm really asking and not being mean). When I was in college and in my own apartment, my parents still helped me a lot with extra money for food, electric, some rent, car insurance, etc. We know she had medical debt earlier in the year of $5k and I don't see any judgements against her in that amount so I would think (again no proof) they have been paid by somebody? On a hostess and server salary I don't think she could have paid it her self. Do we know?

I believe her father remarked on this. And if you look at her Twitter, she references how much she works, and that her second job would provide her with sufficient money.

And even if we take her finances out of the equation, she was making her own choices. She was not in constant contact with her family if TE's remark that he really didn't know her work schedule is any indication. He was not alarmed until the police arrived and he saw her car sitting abandoned, even thought some time had passed since he last heard from her.

I'm just saying I don't think she had a reason to concoct a story about being on a date if she wasn't on a date with that person. Trying to hide another date by drawing attention to your evening makes no sense to me.

I suspect we will find at some point that Heather was as surprised by some of the events that began to unfold as anyone else.

 

[Aeronomy]

For those of you who keep your phone in your lap, do you drive a stick shift?

 

[stillwatersc]

I stand corrected @Ghostwheel. Thanks!

Looks like it can't be done when you make a new post but, you can after the fact or with a published post.

Can I backdate new posts?
No. You can only create a new post and backdate it after it's been published.

If HE's last 10 posts were "scheduled", why are the times so random? You'd think one would just post in succession by the minute (i.e., 1:00, 1:02, 1:03, 1:04, etc.) Why then: 1:53, 1:57, 1:58, 1:58, 1:59, 2:00, 2:00, 2:08, 2:09, 2:09?

That seems like really quick to be browsing/sharing. Does Heather's other posts show a similar pattern? If she never posted like that before, I would be suspicious.

 

[rpgman]

For those of you who keep your phone in your lap, do you drive a stick shift?

I keep my phone in my lap sometimes but don't drive a stick.

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[lovinlife83]

BBM ~ I think she knew her sm was being stalked by OMW. She quit posting. Didn't I read somewhere that she may have another twitter account that's private?

She also may have her privacy settings set in a way that we can't see all of her posts. The regular person or even "friend" on my SM sites can only see certain posts. Other ones that include private things (gripes about work or cute pics of my kids that I don't want the world to see) are only seen by a specific list I created called custom friends. If you looked at my SM it would appear to have huge time gaps and not really all that interesting, but to my custom friends, I post multiple times each day/week. I also believe her accounts may have been hacked. If TE said she was getting a laptop for Christmas, what was she using before? Just her phone? If that is the case, the pornographic images on her tumbler site may have been the result of ANYONE (not just a perp) hacking her account and posting those and she might not have even known about it because she was just reposting things from her phone and never really viewing her home page.

 

[NewYork625]

That is correct: https://twitter.com/holaimheather

I entered "holaimheather" in search and found some things I hadn't seen before including https://myspace.com/holaimheather
I wonder where and when that photo of a trailer was taken? Looks like California to me (Santa Barbara area?). Giggle Rae?
ETA Main photo is now a large rock in the water/beach scene.

 

[Hatfield]

For those of you who keep your phone in your lap, do you drive a stick shift?

Its a good point because if I was learning to drive a stick, i wouldnt do it because your left leg keeps moving for the clutch and right leg for the gas, so it would be very annoying to have phone there. But maybe she was used to doing it with her car and did not realize how bad it would be.