VA - Hannah Elizabeth Graham, 18, Charlottesville, 13 Sept 2014 - #7

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When I first saw the video ,I thought she was not drunk but on mushrooms. I also thought she was just running because it is darker in that area, she stops when she gets to the lighter area.
Where she was running on Preston Ave. across the street from Shell there is a overpass she had to run under which was probably dark and a little scary at that time.

Here's where she was running. She was running the same direction the cars are driving.
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Not seeing any victim blaming, and haven't! What I have seen in way earlier threads was talk about the domino effect. Cause and effect. How a split second decision can have dangerous consequences, etc. No, we can't go back in time and change situations, circumstances, decisions, we can however LEARN from them!!! To completely overlook the actions and lack of actions that lead to Hannah's disappearance is missing part of the investigation. To start an investigation at the last known location, without anything further to go on, including someone's mental health, physical health, emotional well being, etc., is simply ignoring a large portion of the background of the investigation that lead to where is the missing person!

That's all! Educate, educate, and educate some more!!! Remind young adults away from the safety net of parents of the dangers that exist, the type of people that are coexisting among us all with intentions that aren't good, drill the buddy system and drill it some more!!! YES, we can ALL agree that IF someone harmed Hannah, that perp is to blame!!! From being on this board since 2008, I think I safely say that Hannah did NOT DESERVE anything harmful to happen to her now matter the circumstances! Rarely have I seen a poster even claim such, and if it happens, mods will remove that post pronto! I know, I've alerted to posts for them to check out before. Our mods do a darn good job!! Likewise, our members are compassionate, and hard working sleuthers! We want to go get to the bottom of the case, follow through with the trial, and hopeful convictions if there is foul play. We rejoice when someone is found! We worry when we know a person is missing with a history of depression/a marital problem/pregnancy/college student missing after drinking/etc. etc. etc. MANY participate in local search teams for our missing. Many have devoted YEARS to a case that might still be unsolved. No, victim blaming isn't our thing, and won't be tolerated. But circumstances leading up to that disappearance is a completely different thing!!!


We don't BLAME a depressed person for being a missing case. Instead we use our collective knowledge of prior cases, and the history behind the missing person to hopefully help decide if the person has sought out help for their depression, has taken a sebatical to clear their minds, could have wrecked while having their mind preoccupied with mental thoughts, could have placed themselves in an unsafe situation, or could have harmed themselves.

In most cases there's a list of questions that immediately pop into our minds as we read the first media releases that someone is missing. For instance, a child is missing, who was the last person outside of family that saw that child? Are we blaming the child?? NO! Are we blaming the parents? NO! We're simply trying to establish a timeline, a background, etc.

JMO..as always..

This case reminds me of the Natalie Holloway case. The circumstances are very similar. She was out with friends, drinking, having fun, a stranger invited her into a car, she willingly got into that car, and she was never seen again.
 
Where she was running on Preston Ave. across the street from Shell there is a overpass she had to run under which was probably dark and a little scary at that time.

Here's where she was running. She was running the same direction the cars are driving.

Excellent - so the idea is this shows a good deal of awareness. In the middle of the night this stretch of road is dark - run through it.
 
Where she was running on Preston Ave. across the street from Shell there is a overpass she had to run under which was probably dark and a little scary at that time.

Here's where she was running. She was running the same direction the cars are driving.
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Under the train tracks

 
I think we are clinging to it because it was really strange in the video, and because he admitted to following her. Yes, that would also make sense if he were a cop.

Except...if he were a cop, why didn't he follow through for longer? And why haven't police officially cleared him?

Very good question which I hope LE asked of this man.
 
I skipped thread #6 because it's taking me too long to catch up, I'll try to backtrack.

I would like to see a more recent picture of POI because he looks like a baby faced 20 something year old in the pics I saw. He certainly doesn't look scary, quite the opposite in fact. I don't see a resemblance to the sketches from a past crime. The cab driver has the same hairline, though the nose seems wrong. As to the cab driver's name, I know someone named Jesse and to me it should be pronounced Jess, however, this guy I know pronounces it Jessie. Maybe cab driver just spelled it the way it sounds. Is it possible that he's POI's father? He looks older to me.

I'm wondering if POI dropped Hannah off and something happened to her after that by some other perp. There were other crimes committed nearby the next 2 nights. Or, POI didn't give her a ride and WG was still following her and did something. Although that doesn't really work for me because I believe Hannah did not text that she was lost at 14th and Wertland. I believe she attempted to text that she was Almost at 14th and Wertland.

I don't know if Hannah had an iPhone, but I do. And for the heck of it I opened a text box and typed in lmost, as if I missed the A, and it autocorrected it to Lost. For her to Almost be at 14th and Wertland at 1:20-ish would she have had to get a ride there or is it possible she could have jogged from the mall after leaving Tempo?

Also, iPhones are notorious for losing charge fairly quickly, some models more than others. Depending on how many apps you have running in the background, it may not last long at all. She had been out since 9:30, right? I could see her phone dying 4 hours later. There is no removable battery in an iPhone.

They go flat SO MUCH MORE QUICKLY if you are using google maps.
 
Maybe Hannah asked Jesse to be her escort into Tango. Says she looking for someone and could he walk in with her so she doesn't get carded. She'll buy him a drink for his trouble.

She just seems so intent on finding someone. moo

It's called Tempo and isn't it a restaurant with a bar? Can't she go in if she is under 21 just not buy drinks?
 
Again just for the sake of keeping focus - a woman was beaten unconscious and raped less than a block from HG's apartment. Why is her story any less important and why do you think Longo wants to keep these incidences separate?

Perhaps victim / LE knows who was responsible for the rape and it's not related?

Perhaps at least a description of that perp completely does not match anyone seen on video when Hannah was out and they are confident they would have to have been based on Hannah's movements?

Perhaps the timeline doesn't work and he couldn't be in multiple places and have been responsible for both?
 
The videos were not very clear to me, lol. And WM said she seemed "distressed" but not seeing a lot of others saying that. If he is honest, he had a much better view. The breaking into a run was a bit odd to me. Jmo most people don't just break into a run and then drop back to walking, as a rule, unless exercising. Especially if lost...you would think she would be busy checking for landmarks, harder to do when running. But I could not tell much of anything from what I saw.
Well, right before you see a figure running by, there are a few cars that wiz right by the shell station. Maybe she recognized one but the light changed and they took off before she could catch up to one. I keep meaning to go back and look at those cars. I have a vague memory of one that looked like a reddish sedan.
 
Perhaps victim / LE knows who was responsible for the rape and it's not related?

Perhaps at least a description of that perp completely does not match anyone seen on video when Hannah was out and they are confident they would have to have been based on Hannah's movements?

Perhaps the timeline doesn't work and he couldn't be in multiple places and have been responsible for both?

Perhaps JM dropped HG off near her apartment - BOOM
 
Has anyone mentioned or considered that if 2 other women and a man were attacked near the same intersection as her text, that maybe she was actually dropped off there by LJM, sent the text, and was somehow incapacitated at that point?
 
Without doubt, the fact that she was intoxicated interfered with her ability to make good decisions. Instead of going home after the first party, she went looking for another party. She did that alone. She didn't know where she was going, and became lost, or disoriented. At some point, JM befriended her and she apparently, willingly, went to a restaurant/bar with him. It seems that he was a complete stranger, yet she made the decision to go with him. Police believe that she willingly got into his vehicle, which was another very bad decision. Had she been sober, it is unlikely that any of that would have happened.

How she was dressed would be a factor in drawing attention, possibly unwanted attention. However, that said, predators don't usually care how someone is dressed. I think they are more likely to look for vulnerability, such as intoxication, than how someone is dressed.

While I do not think clothing is a deciding factor for a predator, I do believe some clothing is certainly more eye-catching than others. A short, sparkly top is eye-catching, Imo, and that could lead to peaking an interest in a person that may have blended into the crowd, in a sweatshirt or even a t-shirt, Imo. But to me, her being alone would be the main factor. Yes, we should be free to be alone on the streets at night, but facts tell us it is often not safe. So,you have to weigh your right to do so, versus your personal safety. I just watched such a sad case tonight, a young social worker from Kansas who moved to NYC to work. She was attacked by a stranger on a quiet but dark street, murdered with a knife right there, walking alone coming home from a grocery store. And we know how many countless others have been abducted, attacked or killed.

I do feel Hannah would have thought twice about her outing that night, if not for alcohol or a substance of some kind. So sad that she may never have a second chance.
 
:eek:fftobed: Also, in most of the cases I follow, I usually have an opinion as to how LE is handling it. I just can't decide how to feel this time. Very odd.
 
If she thought that she was on Main, heading towards her apartment, when she was actually on Preston, heading towards the mall and Tempo, she was completely disoriented. If she told JM, or the wrong person, that she was lost and looking for a party, she was in trouble.

"Police detective James Mooney said that in her text messages to friends, Graham indicated that she was lost and disoriented, at one point saying she was on Main Street when she actually was on Preston Avenue. Graham also indicated that she believed she was walking back toward her home when she was actually headed the opposite way, authorities said. She also texted friends asking for someone to come find her after she realized she was lost."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...25aab8-4001-11e4-b03f-de718edeb92f_story.html
 
Has anyone mentioned or considered that if 2 other women and a man were attacked near the same intersection as her text, that maybe she was actually dropped off there by LJM, sent the text, and was somehow incapacitated at that point?

If he dropped her off at the intersection near her apartment, why wouldn't he simply say so. She is missing, and it would be tremendously helpful of he would simply provide all the information he has about their interactions that night. Police can then focus on that area during a search.
 
Maybe Hannah asked Jesse to be her escort into Tango. Says she looking for someone and could he walk in with her so she doesn't get carded. She'll buy him a drink for his trouble.

She just seems so intent on finding someone. moo

I do have a feeling that she was possibly suppose to meet some friends at a BAR (but why would her and her friends go to a bar if they are underage? Maybe they have fake ID's). That could explain why she is walking on main roads. If she was suppose to be going to a house party she would be walking on the side streets. On the McGrady's surveillance tape it looks like she could be looking for someone there. Maybe she asked JM if there is a bar in the area and he took her there and since he doesn't know how to mind hs personal space he put his arm around her. Police say they were at Tempo for up to 15 minutes so a very short time maybe because she didn't see her friend(s) there.
 
Under the train tracks


The video is from the Shell station and from that perspective she is crossing right to left, which would be left to right in this photo.. meaning the sprint is after passing under the rail bridge.
 
If he dropped her off at the intersection near her apartment, why wouldn't he simply say so. She is missing, and it would be tremendously helpful of he would simply provide all the information he has about their interactions that night. Police can then focus on that area during a search.

Maybe he is scared to talk to police because he is a black man thought to have done something wrong to a white girl and fears that the system may screw him.
 
The video is from the Shell station and from that perspective she is crossing right to left, which would be left to right in this photo.. meaning the sprint is after passing under the rail bridge.

She sprinted for a few seconds after passing under the bridge
 
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