TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #22

[ktrca]

BBM. Why do you believe that? If the car's plates were readable, they would have grilled the owner for hours on end to find out who might have been driving it if the owner wasn't. And I don't think they would have paraded that picture in the press conference if they at least knew for sure who owned the car. More likely, to me, is that a glare prevented readability, or else someone switched the plates. In which case they would have no clue about this car, which is certainly how it seems if you take their comments at face value.

I am surprised to read post after post after post on here in every thread, stating how LE knows sooo much more than we think they do, that they know exactly who the killer is and are just collecting evidence, etc. And I'm not sure why that opinion is so prevalent unless people just want to be optimistic and want to trust those in authority that they're making progress.

But given everything we've seen and heard (and what we have NOT seen and heard yet), I see no reason to take this investigation in any way differently than what LE has stated to us and to the media. They are stumped. They're not sure if the perp is male or female. They have the height narrowed down to a 6-inch range. They don't know motive. They're not sure what the reason was for all the movement they saw on video footage. They don't think the family or friends are involved, but after going thru over 1000 leads they don't have anything else other than an Altima that may or may not be involved at all and whose driver or owner is unknown to them.

If anyone has any reason other than your own guarded optimism to say that LE IS close to learning gender and motive, and identifying a prime suspect, let's hear it.

This
It happens all the time, in this case she was found dead in his driveway, they arrested him later after he stole a vehicle and crashed it, they arrested him on charges of having a firearm. He sat in jail until March when he was finally charged with her murder. They new it was him all along but they could not charge him or chose not to until they had all the evidence that will put him away for the rest of his life.
No double jeopardy, they don't want to screw it up.

http://www.vintoniowa.org/articles/News/article1016780.html

 

[mpnola]

They can use a prepaid though, so untraceable.

My hope is that they used a prepaid THINKING it is untraceable. Not many things are truly untraceable! In Beverly Carter's case, slick Arron bought a burner phone to use for the interaction. But, all things can be traced where they came from (Dollar General, in that case). Then, they went to Dollar General and got the video footage of the purchase. Even when the product isn't directly connected to the person, through some good detective work, it can be linked. (I think it was that case! So many cases, so little brain space)/

I def don't think this was a robbery. A robber comes in quickly searching and grabbing and stuffing stuff they want in their pants or whatever. This person didn't steal anything but weapons! Were the weapons placed there by them earlier to come back and use? Its probable. And when someone comes in on a robbery, the robber generally runs for the hills! They don't stick around, bludgeon someone in the head and still leave without anything of value. Doesn't at all seem like a robbery gig, to me. Seems very targeted. Seems very calculated. Seemed very at peace with this mission they were on. VERY scary, to me.

 

[TeaTime]

BBM. I just don't get this. Whether they're gathering evidence or waiting for a confession the perp has now had over 5 weeks to destroy evidence. Like, seriously? They might know who did it but still have to wait?! I assume if that's the case their suspect is under 24 hour surveillance? Please tell me this is so....

If not, let's hope they don't do it again, or kill themselves, or go AWOL. Crazy.

If, and that is a big, if , LE knows the ID of SWATPERP or even has a few persons who are on the radar, then rest assured that this person or these persons are under constant surveillance. Their movements, SM, behavior and electronics are being monitored - even their garbage is being examined.

As an aside, last week there was a murder trial here which resulted in a life without parole sentence. An illegal immigrant from Cuba murdered an American citizen at a Wal-Mart. His work vehicle's GPS put him at the scene while he denied having been there.

I believe that we will see that a GPS device, whether cell phone or vehicle, nails this person to the scene at the time of the murder.

Criminals always make mistakes and it is those mistakes which lead to their capture. Criminals always tell someone what they have done and often that confidante will come forward. While SP may not be moved by BB's plea to come forward, the confidante may be.

 

[lmntry]

This
It happens all the time, in this case she was found dead in his driveway, they arrested him later after he stole a vehicle and crashed it, they arrested him on charges of having a firearm. He sat in jail until March when he was finally charged with her murder. They new it was him all along but they could not charge him or chose not to until they had all the evidence that will put him away for the rest of his life.
No double jeopardy, they don't want to screw it up.

http://www.vintoniowa.org/articles/News/article1016780.html

To use your argument against you, If LE knows the perp why not arrest on B&E chargelock then up and then work on putting all the pieces together, interrogate, execute search warrants, etc...

 

[lily1020]

If the Altima is indeed the PERP'S car, then I'm wondering if PERP was at the gun shop just double checking for other people/security guards, making sure absolutely no one would be within a half-mile or so perimeter before the crime (screams/witnesses). It would also tie in with him checking the church out for other people as he was staging the burglary. The hour difference would be enough cushion time between checking and the actual crime, although PERP would need somewhere to go for an hour. The time difference has caused confusion, which seems to be what this PERP had in mind all along. Confusion. Of course, information that would help would be how often do cars pull into this gun shop at night...once a week? Once a month? Never? That information would also help to understand if this is just a coincidence or was driving into the gun lot part of PERP'S plan.

 

[Cannonball3804]

This
It happens all the time, in this case she was found dead in his driveway, they arrested him later after he stole a vehicle and crashed it, they arrested him on charges of having a firearm. He sat in jail until March when he was finally charged with her murder. They new it was him all along but they could not charge him or chose not to until they had all the evidence that will put him away for the rest of his life.
No double jeopardy, they don't want to screw it up.

http://www.vintoniowa.org/articles/News/article1016780.html

For every case like the one you reference, how many cases are there in which LE truly doesn't have a suspect and the case goes unsolved?

So the fact that you've picked one case to fit your theory - while I HOPE you are right, I'm not persuaded that LE is holding a bunch of cards in their hand. JMO

 

[zoeneli]

To use your argument against you, If LE knows the perp why not arrest on B&E chargelock then up and then work on putting all the pieces together, interrogate, execute search warrants, etc...

My opinion on this, is one of two reasons. A, they don't even have enough to charge them with the B&E (probable because if they had enough to prove he broke in, then they have enough to prove they committed the murder). B. They want the perp to relax in hopes that they will slip up and lead LE to more evidence.

 

[interestedincases]

As far as what I think personally - and I know I differ from the majority - I think it is a young male. I don't think he personally knew MB, which also puts me at odds with the majority. Either it was a vandalism/robbery in which she caught him by surprise, or else it's a thrill-kill scenario where he became aware of her schedule but had no previous relationship to her. JMO.

I lean towards woman but....young male is also on my list and has been from the start. But I still think she was targeted...whether hit, jealousy or he was playing out something in his mind (like a video game).

I mentioned in the first thread or two that the Bever brothers case from OK has some similarities with this and that is what lead me to younger male. The Bever brothers were into video games, bought gear, clothing (like, protective clothing type things like SP), knives/axes (no guns), etc. without their parents knowledge, set up video cameras in their home and murdered their entire family (all except two siblings who managed to survive). MB's murder, the gear, the weapons (no gun that we know of), the video cameras. It's strangely familiar.....

So I don't rule out young male but I think there are too many coincidences for it to be random. Maybe it was a friend of the kids or someone else's teenage son in their social circle who knew to watch her and follow her.

But then another thing that has somewhat made me say nahhhh, this can't be, is that you would think a teenager would for SURE make a mistake that would have given them away right off the bat.

And someone over 18 could easily live away from home. Or if at home, parents could travel for business, be off on a vacation, lots of possibilities. The Bever brothers, mom was SAHM and dad worked at home but yet neither found any of the gear the kids were stashing (or, if they did, they disregarded it).

This is the first case I've really followed other than the Bever brothers but there isn't much on that case either than what initially came out. But with MB, I've been able to keep an open mind. I have to say I've never thought BB or RB did it, now, could they have hired a hit, sure, but overall, I lean towards jealous woman or teenage boy.

 

[lily1020]

There was a murder case solved in my town that had virtually no evidence. Fortunately, it was closer in town (at night also) when the crime happened and one or two stores caught the truck on camera and blasted it on the media. The perp in that situation freaked out, reported the truck stolen and burned it in another state. That drew some attention. Fortunately, someone distantly related to him figured it out (a few months later). Come to find out, it was not the guy's first murder, but if this Altima is PERP'S car, he is freaking out right now.

 

[lmntry]

Good Points, we just don't know enough about what LE does or doesn't know to draw conclusions. IMO

 

[ktrca]

To use your argument against you, If LE knows the perp why not arrest on B&E chargelock then up and then work on putting all the pieces together, interrogate, execute search warrants, etc...

In that case it took 2 months for them to get the lab work, even though he murdered her and left her in his own driveway, they held him on firearms charges until they had all the evidence. Can't just go willy nilly arresting people if they don't have all the evidence, if they don't confess, and do not have an existing warrant. Look how long it took them to arrest Drew Peterson, Casey Anthony the list goes on and on.

 

[AReese]

I think the police are sure of who committed the crime, but will never make an arrest unless there's a confession. I believe they are trying to pressure the perp by making s/he think they have more than they actually do have.

I don't think they have enough evidence for the DA to feel comfortable that the perp can be convicted; therefore, sadly no arrest. ~JMO

I hope this is the case. The more time that goes by, the more I am terrified that the case will go cold and this heinous person won't be caught and there will be no justice for MB and her family.

I'm trying to remain optimistic and am hopeful that the height and car information given at the presser last Friday were designed to put pressure on SP. Hopefully LE has an eye on SP and as pressure is applied they are watching to see if SP panics and discards evidence (be it the car, the costume, etc.) that they need to solidify the case.

My heart goes out to BB and his family. No family is perfect, no matter what people would like for others to believe. They have already been through this shocking, brutal, horrible experience and are having to deal with the loss of MB - more pain than I can even imagine. And then to have every detail of their marriage completely exposed, for him to be left having to have these difficult conversations with the girls, for every word he utters during an interview, every FB post he makes to be dissected and criticized . . . I just pray for closure to come soon for this family that has already been through so much.

 

[marybelle29]

Regarding the Altima - to me, the lights that appear to be inside the car are actually just a reflection of a streetlight(s) shining on the back window (and possibly through the car and off the passenger side mirror). Jmo.

 

[SteveS]

after going thru over 1000 leads they don't have anything else other than an Altima that may or may not be involved at all and whose driver or owner is unknown to them.

Respectfully, what you said here is not even remotely close to accurate, in reflecting what LE said.

They said they have one lead OUT OF THE CAMERA SURVEILLANCE LEADS that they haven't finished chasing down. They also said that from the public, they started with over 1000 tips, and they still have hundreds of those left to sift through and track down. And they gave no hint whatsoever as to whether any of those I just mentioned have yielded anything, not any mention as to how many other leads and angles they have developed and feel might be valid.

We have no idea how much LE has. What we have been told is just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[SandyQLS]

It almost sounds like he knows who did it...

There is always a notable lack of raw fear, given the circumstances. My most cherished and vulnerable loved ones would be living under assumed names in CoverMeCagney's area 4600 miles away, at a gated and locked private place where the adults wear habits and pray a lot while I quickly sold the house, cars and everything - if I didn't have a clue what could possibly have happened to my spouse. Just me, though.

 

[finine]

I found it! :happydance: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?308543-TX-Terri-Missy-Bevers-45-murdered-in-church-person-in-SWAT-gear-18-Apr-2016-20&p=12577910&highlight=photo#post12577910

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Thanks for finding this. I don't see the brick wall or windows that SandyQLS is referring to, though. Originally I saw the brick wall but once I made out the lines on the highway I can't un-see them. And definitely don't see any windows. [emoji848]


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[lstiff]

Regarding the Altima - to me, the lights that appear to be inside the car are actually just a reflection of a streetlight(s) shining on the back window (and possibly through the car and off the passenger side mirror). Jmo.

IMO I think it's that big parking lot light in the post I liked above shining down. *shrug* Could be from the gun place too though?

 

[janesmith787]

I see the V shape - it's black? I'm not sure it's a letter 'V' though because it not equal or smooth. But good catch, I think there is some kind of sticker there. I can see the horizontal line across the top and right side line very clearly. Really clean straight lines like that are indicative of something there. That V-sticker is also along the same horizontal part of the bumper where the Oval sticker is, which is the only available bumper space for stickers to be visible looking at the stock photo - the bumper bends under where the dual exhaust pipes are located. A rectangle parking sticker of some kind, like a university or j.c. where everyone must have the sticker on the left bumper so the parking/security can always see it on every car in the same position when they patrol? Also, Steve S. - one reason people put bumper stickers on older cars is to hide the dents and scratches (not needed on new cars). JMO ETA: I checked all the other photos of the Altima I have, and I do not see it in any of them, lighter or darker versions, except in the right photo from the MPD FB page (I don't see it in their left photo). *shrug*

Altima's have the type...so it's probably "SV" which is the model of the car...I used to have a maxima and it had an SV.

 

[MsArk]

I am surprised to read post after post after post on here in every thread, stating how LE knows sooo much more than we think they do, that they know exactly who the killer is and are just collecting evidence, etc. And I'm not sure why that opinion is so prevalent unless people just want to be optimistic and want to trust those in authority that they're making progress.

But given everything we've seen and heard (and what we have NOT seen and heard yet), I see no reason to take this investigation in any way differently than what LE has stated to us and to the media. They are stumped.

If anyone has any reason other than your own guarded optimism to say that LE IS close to learning gender and motive, and identifying a prime suspect, let's hear it.

Snipped for space and BBM

Sadly, I tend to agree with you. I do believe LE has certain theories and possibly facts they are not sharing with the public. They may even have a hunch as to SP's identity but I tend to take what LE says at face value. I sincerely hope I am wrong and proved wrong soon. What a wonderful thing to be wrong about... but I don't think we are close to an arrest. That said, it is possible, maybe probable, IMO, there will eventually be a break or lead which will lead them to SP. I just don't think LE is playing mind games with him/her, waiting for a confession.
#Justice for Missy

 

[Justice2016]

Okay so we are up & running guys & dolls! Good to go! :blowkiss:

Personally, I think this case has been trickier for LE than most because of **motive**.
Juries like a good motive & I feel this case doesn't have an obvious/reasonable motive.

Moo only.

MOO - I think there's strong motive but obviously don't have details. It's just that it fits the classic cases of this type. I'm basing my opinion on a framework... meaning context of the case with certain classic factors involved - not any special knowledge.

I think the reason it's so tricky is because it seems like there's been a deliberate attempt on the perp/perps' part to hoodwink LE and everyone else by playing dress-up with cops and robbers gear. I haven't seen anyone say they think the perp is a cop.

Nobody can be absolutely certain except perhaps LE photography specialists what gender this bumbling, shuffling 'robocop' is.

In my latest opinion the strategy of robocop is a masculine one. Based on new points raised online by different people I've seen many in this forum shift in certainty about it being a man or a woman. There are some people on the internet with mind-blowing technical skills in regard to blowing photos up and discerning features. Thanks to them I'm now 99% sure it's a man with Schwarzenegger fantasies.

It's also interesting that a specific word used yesterday in the closed thread was mentioned in a recent interview. That gives me reason to think this forum is being read by interesting people. :escape: