NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #2

[kirkassoc]

Very interesting new article "Who was Stephen Paddock?" Details I never heard anywhere else.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/21852/who-was-stephen-paddock-here-are-more-details-who-hank-berrien

 

[Amonet]

They basically say they have been receiving death threats because their father’s (GD) name was originally the name released as the shooter since people associated him with MD. Mention they were made aware of the situation from their step sister, MD’s daughter, by phone call. Wanted public to know that they have never met and have no idea who SP is - have never even heard his name. They are still cordial with MD, text on Mother’s Day etc. Say MD is a very sweet happy and kind woman who would never be associated with anything like this. Want ruthless people making hateful comments to understand there are real people at the other end of those comments.

Sadly there are people who want to lash out at someone and blame someone, and the relatives are going to encounter this. I disagree with it completely and I think it should be discouraged where we see it.

I can't imagine the wife/partner had any idea this would happen. I don't think anyone else was involved, not her or anyone else.

I feel sorry for the families of perps like this one. If none of us can understand it or know for a fact what the signs are, then how can we expect them to know? And then they face the abuse, the accusations, the sideways glances and people avoiding them.

 

[Betty P]

I don't know. All I can think is that a parent might make excuses for such a child and seek to protect them from being found out, or the child learns to hide the signs that they understand cause suspicion in others, and so the adults just have a suspicion that the child "isn't right" but they don't have proof, and maybe they want to blind themselves to it and hope the child will grow out of it?

It's not something I've researched, but I remember reading something about an empathy gene, and that most people would have either one or two copies of it, but those without any copies of it might be more likely to have this personality type? But there has to be more than that to it? I think nurture can play a role, yet I also think sometimes psychopaths are born to the nicest mothers (usually it seems to be the mother in the household and the father is either absent or always working or something? At least in my mind it's that way.) and that the mother simply can't cope with the child. Maybe sometimes the absence of the father part of it? Not in the sense that a child needs the father figure (though I do think that having healthy role models in parents is a good thing I also think that a single parent can provide the role model where that's the only or preferable option) but in the sense that maybe there could be a father to son genetic component and the father isn't good at forming relationships or tends to form abusive relationships so he either abandons the family (lack of empathy with their needs) or the mother leaves with the children? Or maybe the father ends up in prison and that causes the separation?

But I don't really know enough about it to have any more than these thoughts in my mind, I can't point to research to confirm or deny what I'm suggesting.

Not sure there's really any way to prevent people from turning into psychopaths. Providing universal access to affordable health care, including mental health, from cradle to grave will allow more families and people to manage psychological and organic mental illness. Even better to do all we can to ensure psychopaths have as little access as possible to weapons of mass murder.

 

[Cryptic]

Counting cards isn't illegal, but if you start to win too much, the casinos will notice and they have the right to kick you out. My husband sucks at it, though, so that's never going to happen to him.

Tell your husband not to feel too bad. My general impression is that it is currently near impossible to be truly skilled at counting cards.

Following a series of big losses from card counting teams- and even these teams needed to count / play near perfectly to keep their rather small counting advantage, casinos have started to use multiple decks and then to re-shuffle the decks constantly. This moved card counting from 'very difficult' to 'near impossible'.

Didn't the articles say he was more of a slot kind of guy? Idk, for some reason I don't think he was a card counter.

I dont think so either. He appears to have been a loner with limited social skills who though good at sports, was never a team player. My general impression is that after casinos put in counting counter measures, it takes a team to attempt successful counting- and even then it is near impossible to be consistently good at it.

 

[Inthedetails]

I don't know. All I can think is that a parent might make excuses for such a child and seek to protect them from being found out, or the child learns to hide the signs that they understand cause suspicion in others, and so the adults just have a suspicion that the child "isn't right" but they don't have proof, and maybe they want to blind themselves to it and hope the child will grow out of it?

It's not something I've researched, but I remember reading something about an empathy gene, and that most people would have either one or two copies of it, but those without any copies of it might be more likely to have this personality type? But there has to be more than that to it? I think nurture can play a role, yet I also think sometimes psychopaths are born to the nicest mothers (usually it seems to be the mother in the household and the father is either absent or always working or something? At least in my mind it's that way.) and that the mother simply can't cope with the child. Maybe sometimes the absence of the father part of it? Not in the sense that a child needs the father figure (though I do think that having healthy role models in parents is a good thing I also think that a single parent can provide the role model where that's the only or preferable option) but in the sense that maybe there could be a father to son genetic component and the father isn't good at forming relationships or tends to form abusive relationships so he either abandons the family (lack of empathy with their needs) or the mother leaves with the children? Or maybe the father ends up in prison and that causes the separation?

But I don't really know enough about it to have any more than these thoughts in my mind, I can't point to research to confirm or deny what I'm suggesting.

I am in agreement, though only as a causal observer. Of course, an absent father doesn't mean the children will be problem children - we all know plenty of people raised by single mothers who are strong, healthy, wonderful people. But a combination of "born" with a tendency toward psychopath personality and with an absent (or distant) father does seem to be a pattern. I wonder if SP's bank-robber had an absent father himself??

We have a neighbor kid (now a man) who was troubled as a child. I didn't notice it until later when problems were bad enough that the family couldn't hide them, but my husband noticed when the boy was about 3 years old. I clearly remember my husband asking about the kid's dad - and when he discovered who the dad was (present, but barely....very emotionally distant and weak), he told me to watch out for that kid. I was angry at the time with my DH about predicting a "bad seed" when the kid was only 3....but the boy turned out to be a bad seed. He would be mean, especially to his mother, just to see what it was like to inflict pain (emotional and physical) on someone. Bad. Also doesn't live up to his potential - like he sabbotages opportunities given to him. (For what it's worth, this neighborhood bad seed is very intelligent but looks like a slob, which is also how his father looks.)

Anyway, I know my example does not make a rule for every situation. I'm not judging slobby dressers or families with absent fathers!!! Just mulling about the "bad seed" idea in my head and contributing factors.

jmopinion which might differ from others

 

[bears10]

Reported that he was a mail carrier early in his work life in Ca. So USPS is federal.

It could also be since Lockheed Martin is a federal government contractor.

 

[enelram]

Amonet, a former neighbor of the mom/children in Texas said the Mom said Stephen was the "bad boy" in the family.
Interesting comment, wonder if the Mom still feels this way.? Also wonder how transparent the Mom was when law enforcement interviewed her yesterday in Fl. ?
Speaking of forming and maintaining relationships, SP was married and divorced twice, each marriage lasting only 6 yrs. or so. those are pretty short marriages so my guess would be he was not good at forming long term relationships.
found out his second wife was also of Asian descent. I still maintain there's another clue, as Asian women are typically
described as submissive in their relationships. So was SP a dominating man or just unattractive to American born women. My guess would be he liked to dominate women.

 

[Tawny]

I will be shocked to find out the allegedly Hispanic woman/women who were telling people they were going to die are actually connected. I feel this kind of behavior is common at large events, there's always that one weirdo, and it only becomes significant and ominous if something actually does happen. I could be waaaaaaaaaay off, but the fact that the woman was present at the event she claimed everyone was going to die at tells me she was likely talking in more... Biblical terms, like, we're all going to die because we're all sinners etc.

Like I said, I could be wrong, I'll just be quite surprised.

 

[enelram]

It could also be since Lockheed Martin is a federal government contractor.

He was not employed by Lockheed, it was a previous company which Lockheed eventually bought.

 

[Gardenista]

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[Gardenista]

Another gun

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[Footwarrior]

Just read a NYTimes article on the web where Paddock's brother states his brother gambled and played video poker for a living, lived in hotel rooms and went on cruises. I know it was reported his career was that of an accountant. There is something very strange about his life as a retiree. I'm going to bank on card counting with someone else close to him.

Card counting works with blackjack, not video poker.

Video poker has only a small house advantage if you find the right machine and play the optimum strategy.

 

[Betty P]

Sadly there are people who want to lash out at someone and blame someone, and the relatives are going to encounter this. I disagree with it completely and I think it should be discouraged where we see it.

I can't imagine the wife/partner had any idea this would happen. I don't think anyone else was involved, not her or anyone else.

I feel sorry for the families of perps like this one. If none of us can understand it or know for a fact what the signs are, then how can we expect them to know? And then they face the abuse, the accusations, the sideways glances and people avoiding them.

Agree. Families aren't to blame in these situations, unless they've witnessed some obvious, dangerous criminal activity prior to the crime. Most criminals are secretive about their planning. OTOH, I'm not sure how Paddock's significant other could have missed seeing him acquire massive amounts of ammo and explosives. Perhaps, but it doesn't seem likely. Instead of running away to another country, she should have reported it. Not saying she's to blame, but it's possible she could have prevented it.

 

[Cryptic]

Isabelle, can you elaborate on your comment about 'card counting' for us non-gamblers? thanks

Certain games like black jack can be mathematically played to where the player, and not the casino has the advantage.

This involves assigning various cards values and then keeping track of how many have been played and how many remain in the deck. The "count" of the deck is then given a number of something like -5 to +5. If the cards are counted accurately, the player is guaranteed to win over the long term.

The mathematics are pretty simple, but the key words are "accurately" and "long term". Even before casinos implemented counter measures, the cards had to be counted near perfectly, the counter had to have alot of seed money and play a long time to realize the mathematical advantage. This was very hard, but not impossible.

Despite it being hard to do accurately (and also physically and mentally exhausting), early counters experienced some pretty big successes. Casinos have since implemented counter measures. With casino countermeasures, accurately counting cards probably takes a team (more profit splits) and has moved to 'near impossible'.

 

[bears10]

He was not employed by Lockheed, it was a previous company which Lockheed eventually bought.

Yes you're correct. I should have stated it better. He was employed by a predecessor company, but it wasn't disclosed which one. So I am thinking that could be why the reported asked if he was a federal employee. Lockheed Corp was also a defense contractor. I do not think Martin Marietta was but I am not sure.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/las-vegas-shooter-worked-predecessor-160800662.html

 

[wildebeest]

Mandalay Bay is home to the top rated, Michael Jackson show. Was there late last year.

 

[Amonet]

This video poker, I thought with those stakes and the description of him as being fairly known in the field, meant that it was playing other players long-distance rather than in the same room as opposed to an AI game like slots? Not that slots is AI, but I know what I mean...a computer opponent rather than people opponents.

I can imagine someone being a pro player and having a tendency to winning if they're playing against people, but surely AI games are those where the house always wins, so any wins will be countered by slightly greater losses if you play for long enough?

Or are you saying that playing against humans requires comprehension of human emotions/behaviour and that understanding the computer algorithm is easier for a mathematical mind than reading a human?

But either way, someone might attempt to break down people into algorithms, and to an extent it can work, for instance with crowd behaviour?

 

[SAHI]

Gun collectors can amass a lot of guns. I've known one, who has close 500. 47 seems like a lower number, an average avid collector, not an extreme RABID collection, especially considering this attack was in the West, where in some places almost everybody has at least one gun. Also Nevada is home to the world's largest munitions storage facilty . There may be more guns and ammunition found in his other properties in other states. What is compelling is his proficient use of fully automatic weapons. All of his guns were legit, legally obtained (at least that's what is now being said)

Also, I see this as an act of domestic terror. This man may have had no beliefs, no agenda, no point other than to create chaos and bring death. This man has terrorized our whole country, paralyzed many with fear. Why? Will we ever really know?

But my question/theory/possible M.O is, what if Paddock was an SK and this final act was just his last big "hunt"?

I searched the threads but didn't see where anyone had posted about the potential that Paddock is a serial killer, as well as a mass murderer?

Will we ever know or understand what just happened in Las Vegas?

I pray for the injured that they live, and for the families that lost their loved ones to this senseless violence against humanity.

 

[enelram]

Yes you're correct. I should have stated it better. He was employed by a predecessor company, but it wasn't disclosed which one. So I am thinking that could be why the reported asked if he was a federal employee. Lockheed Corp was also a defense contractor. I do not think Martin Marietta was but I am not sure.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/las-vegas-shooter-worked-predecessor-160800662.html

I believe Martin Marietta was a pretty strong co. in the aerospace industry, at least in Florida.

 

[Cryptic]

but surely AI games are those where the house always wins, so any wins will be countered by slightly greater losses if you play for long enough?

Yes, no and maybe.... .

Gambling software generates random events for use in the games (say, cards dealt out). But.... truly random events are de facto impossible to computer generate. Rather, the software often uses algorithims based on permutations of the numbers pi or 'e' as the basis for "random" events.

Evidently it is possible for a perceptive person who plays mind numbing amounts of hours on specific video poker machines to discern parts of the algorithms behind the "random" events and then gain a small advantage over the house in the long term.

Some of these people may research "random" algorithms and then watch for certain things when playing, others probably have no ideal what pi 'e' or an algorithm is. Rather, they just slowly get to know "something" about the machine. Once enough of the algorithm is discerned, they are guaranteed to win- well until the algorithm is changed.

But.... the key words are "near perfect play" over a period of time in an environment that would turn your mind and my mind into cold tomato soup.

Card counting works with blackjack, not video poker.

It potentially works with video poker as well.

The difference is that the player is not really counting cards, but trying to discern how the algorithm behind the "random" deals works. The bad news is that it takes a perceptive person a long time to figure out enough of the algorithm to get the small advantage, the machine must be played near perfectly and... the algorithms used can be changed.