NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #7

[Spice]

Exactly, the obvious answer would be that he didn’t remove it, someone else did.

How is it obvious that "someone else" removed his laptop?

 

[mpnola]

Exactly, the obvious answer would be that he didn’t remove it, someone else did.

That is the same way I feel about the money in my bank account. I would prefer to think it was just removed by someone else. But the obvious answer is actually that I spent it.

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[Spice]

He explored other venues, including one in Chicago. I think LV was decided on for convenience (close to his home), as Nevada is a western state there is a lower risk of extensive inquiries if stopped travelling with alot of weapons, and SP was able to book a room over looking the event.

Yes. I agree. And comfortability and familiarity. He was comfortable there. He practically lived in casinos. MOO

 

[kittythehare]

There apparently is a lot of "idiot proof" instruction on the net about a variety of dangerous activities (homemade fire works, home made weapons modifications, home made bombs, submarines etc.)

At the end of the day, I bet "idiot proof" instructions for home made dangerous things such as explosives are best left to well.... idiots.

It is actually quite real and is of massive concern in CVE circles

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/CVE-JAN-2017.pdf

https://icct.nl/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/reeda_ingramh_instructionalmaterial.pdf
They may be idiots but they are dangerous 'idiots' and kill a lot of people.
It is unwise and foolhardy to dismiss these risks.

 

[Gone Girl]

Exactly, the obvious answer would be that he didn’t remove it, someone else did.

Bingo! Exactly!!!

 

[neesaki]

How is it obvious that "someone else" removed his laptop?

I was referencing the removal of the hard drive , not the laptop. I should have stated it’s just my opinion, as in obvious to me. I guess because this whole case seems off.... as in hinky. Again, in my opinion.

That is the same way I feel about the money in my bank account. I would prefer to think it was just removed by someone else. But the obvious answer is actually that I spent it.

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LOL, I don’t think I could say I’d be happy if someone took my money out of my bank account, though unfortunately it does happen.

 

[enelram]

Regarding SP's contact w/ his father. Articles from msm have stated that Benjamin Paddock did live in the family home
w/ his wife and at least young son Stephen. Stephen was 7 yrs. old when the neighbor came to take him swimming because his mother knew LE was coming to take the father to jail and they didn't want SP to witness that scene.
So for 7 yrs or so SP had regular contact w/ the father in Arizona. There have been rumors that young SP was beaten
regularly by his father.
MOO that SP's treatment in the family contributed to his lifelong problems. Also if his mother is not co-operating with
telling all about those years and is in denial plus having a psychopathic father, SP was a 'marked kid'. Of course he's
going to grow up and have problems.

 

[Gooddeeds]

I do as well, think he had planned on shooting for a long time but had to escalate his plan and the security guard appearance thwarted much of it..

But its possible that he had a 'ritual' planned in relation to his own death as well. Something that involved several minutes..I wonder at what it might have been?
I wonder when he shot himself and how much time had elapsed from when he ceased shooting the crowd?

-there should be an official report from ME on ‘estimated’ time of death.

 

[kittythehare]

Regarding SP's contact w/ his father. Articles from msm have stated that Benjamin Paddock did live in the family home
w/ his wife and at least young son Stephen. Stephen was 7 yrs. old when the neighbor came to take him swimming because his mother knew LE was coming to take the father to jail and they didn't want SP to witness that scene.
So for 7 yrs or so SP had regular contact w/ the father in Arizona. There have been rumors that young SP was beaten
regularly by his father.
MOO that SP's treatment in the family contributed to his lifelong problems. Also if his mother is not co-operating with
telling all about those years and is in denial plus having a psychopathic father, SP was a 'marked kid'. Of course he's
going to grow up and have problems.

I believe he believed he 'lost' his father in Las Vegas.. After that, even though he escaped from prison, he was never a free man.. It is possible the massacre was an act of revenge.
Its possible the loss weighed heavily on the boy SP. A burden he may have carried all his life.
I did not see any reports of child abuse or anything indicating he was a cruel father to his boys..

 

[kittythehare]

-there should be an official report from ME on ‘estimated’ time of death.

Its unlikely it will be pinpointed.
Remember the long silence before they breached the door?
Blood had time to pool and coagulate.
The body would have been cool by the time the forensic pathology people or even the paramedics reached him.
The officers that breached knew immediately he was dead.
I am not sure how they knew, it was not reported..
Its almost impossible to pinpoint in terms of minutes but hours can be estimated, okay..
I think its a question that will never be answered..

 

[Spice]

I was referencing the removal of the hard drive , not the laptop. I should have stated it’s just my opinion, as in obvious to me. I guess because this whole case seems off.... as in hinky. Again, in my opinion.





LOL, I don’t think I could say I’d be happy if someone took my money out of my bank account, though unfortunately it does happen.

Gotcha. Just curious why its obvious that someone else removed his hard drive?

 

[Manterro]

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[enelram]

I believe he believed he 'lost' his father in Las Vegas.. After that, even though he escaped from prison, he was never a free man.. It is possible the massacre was an act of revenge.
Its possible the loss weighed heavily on the boy SP. A burden he may have carried all his life.
I did not see any reports of child abuse or anything indicating he was a cruel father to his boys..

It was BBC that reported abuse of SP by father, weeks ago.
I agree w/ you about LV holding some special meaning to SP.
Every young boy wants a father in their life even if the father is a criminal or in jail or a bad person. They just do. And if that father is taken away, for whatever reason, it leaves a lifelong scar on the kid. Especially if there's no other
father figure to step in and teach young boys how to grow into being a man.
Also as mentioned by Kitty earlier, we don't know the family dynamics in the home. Was the father a wife beater?
II

 

[Gooddeeds]

Its unlikely it will be pinpointed.
Remember the long silence before they breached the door?
Blood had time to pool and coagulate.
The body would have been cool by the time the forensic pathology people or even the paramedics reached him.
The officers that breached knew immediately he was dead.
I am not sure how they knew, it was not reported..
Its almost impossible to pinpoint in terms of minutes but hours can be estimated, okay..
I think its a question that will never be answered..

-Yes, not pinpointed but an estimation. I wouldn’t be surprised if they say October 4th at 9:00am at this point.

 

[cujenn81]

Pyschopathy runs in DNA. Lots of studies about inherited behavior through DNA. In this case Nurture + Nature an unfortunate combo. Learned disdain of authority and the law by dear old Dad.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/210715

Heritable Variations in Gray Matter Concentration as a Potential Endophenotype for Psychopathic Traits

Context Genetic vulnerability to psychopathic traits is likely to also manifest at the neural level. We have recently reported increased gray matter concentration in several brain areas in boys with psychopathic traits.

Objective To explore whether these gray matter concentration differences can be regarded as endophenotypes for psychopathic traits by (1) assessing their heritability and (2) examining the etiology of the co-occurrence of psychopathic traits and increased gray matter concentration.

Conclusions These findings suggest that structural endophenotypes, in the form of variations in gray matter concentration, reflect genetic vulnerability for psychopathic traits. Specifically, gray matter concentration in the left posterior cingulate and right dorsal anterior cingulate, brain areas implicated in empathy, moral processing, and introspection, are potential candidate endophenotypes for psychopathic traits.


Apparently, previous studies suggest there is a clear link between psychopathology and an abnormally high presence of gray matter in certain areas of the brain -- namely, those associated with empathy and moral processing. Studies also suggest an unknown genetic marker may be responsible for this.






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[CARIIS]

Interesting --

I am so not good at this stuff but there is an LLC trail of stuff---- Phillipines come up --



https://www.corporationwiki.com/p/2bwnc0/stephen-paddock

IMO there are reasons for everything

Authorities put brakes on information flow in Las Vegas shooting


https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...es-on-information-flow-in-las-vegas-shooting/

Las Vegas shooter’s brother Bruce Paddock’s child *advertiser censored* arraignment delayed due to medical issue

http://www.dailynews.com/2017/10/26...in-la-on-child-*advertiser censored*-charges/

Search for SWAT Tactics Found on Las Vegas Shooter’s Computer


https://www.wsj.com/articles/brothe...essing-child-*advertiser censored*-1508953678

[FONT=&quot]authorities also estimated that the costs of police, fire and other emergency services related to the massacre were projected at about $4 million and climbing.

[/FONT]http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/las-vegas-shooting-stephen-paddock-internet-searches-history-motive-victims-a8021971.html

 

[CARIIS]

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/14143054/benjamin_paddock_arizona_republic/

Don Bishoff, a columnist for The Register-Guard of Eugene, wrote in 1998 that Paddock pleaded no contest to the charges, but he received no jail time

http://tucson.com/news/local/las-vegas-shooter-lived-in-tucson-as-young-boy-brother/article_6e4a1930-a7ae-11e7-a49f-1b300438b11f.html

 

[MistyWaters]

Interesting --

I am so not good at this stuff but there is an LLC trail of stuff---- Phillipines come up --



https://www.corporationwiki.com/p/2bwnc0/stephen-paddock

It appears there were numerous Paradise Ranch # registered by different parties back in 2004.

In Henderson there's a Paradise Ranch subdivision that appears to have been built around the same time. Rental units? It's not unusual that real estate investors have holdings under an incorporated company.
https://www.houses.com/community/Paradise-Ranch-Henderson-NV-89002-49174539

But just a guess. However if SP was into anything shady, considering his accounting and IRS background, I doubt it'd be run through a resistered company in his own name. JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

More on the father including speculation that at one time he may have been involved with some of the Chicago crime syndicates.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ooter-family-from-chicago-20171003-story.html

And this:
A 1998 obituary for Bingo Bruce explored some of the tall tales surrounding Benjamin Paddock.

"Bingo Bruce Ericksen moved to Texas. His supposed cancer disappeared, and he lived a supposedly con-free life for another decade. He died there last month at 77. Supposedly. In addition to illegal activities, he claimed that he'd been a Dixieland band singer, pilot, auto racing crew chief, Chicago Bears pro football player, survivor of the World War II mine sweeper sinking and a wrestler named 'Crybaby' ... some of that may have been true. With Bruce, you never knew. He was born Benjamin Hoskins Paddock II. Supposedly."

 

[human]

Regarding SP's contact w/ his father. Articles from msm have stated that Benjamin Paddock did live in the family home
w/ his wife and at least young son Stephen. Stephen was 7 yrs. old when the neighbor came to take him swimming because his mother knew LE was coming to take the father to jail and they didn't want SP to witness that scene.
So for 7 yrs or so SP had regular contact w/ the father in Arizona. There have been rumors that young SP was beaten
regularly by his father.
MOO that SP's treatment in the family contributed to his lifelong problems. Also if his mother is not co-operating with
telling all about those years and is in denial plus having a psychopathic father, SP was a 'marked kid'. Of course he's
going to grow up and have problems.

n

Before the robberies, he served prison time in Illinois for stealing a car, engaging in a confidence game and conspiring to pass bad checks. He was in prison for the first three years of his oldest son's life.