UK - Gaia Pope, 19, found deceased, Swanage, Dorset, 7 Nov 2017 #2

[Legally Bland]

This morning I was sure Gaia's passing was accidental / misadventure / natural causes.

I'm starting to change my mind again.

 

[flute4peace]

You're taking me back to my early days of training now Elainera!! [emoji16] Diazepam is a muscle relaxant. 2 decades ago, the most common use of Diazepam was in rectal administration form, to provide a quick muscle relaxant to people suffering an epileptic seizure. So in that sense, you are correct. However, as medicine has progressed, we are now providing preventative, rather than reactive, medicine for people with epilepsy. Regular prescriptions are for Kepra or Leveteracetam, with emergency supply of buccal midazolam which can only be administered by trained professionals

May I respectfully ask what your career is? It seems as if you have training in the police and medical fields and specialize in epilepsy management? Perhaps you could become a verified specialist?

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[Mersault]

Thanks for the map JohnSmith.

I don't think there's any foul play here anymore.

 

[Ironside]

Police have been very quiet today, I wonder what is going on. Surely if her death was not suspicious this would have been announced by now?


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[sarlou]

Police have been very quiet today, I wonder what is going on. Surely if her death was not suspicious this would have been announced by now?


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Maybe it's not obvious. She could have no marks on her at all and further investigations needed. She could also be covered in marks but that could also just be from her journey across the fields, rather than from the hands of others. Will most likely need an autopsy before they announce anything.

 

[Foxymona]

One minute I think death by misadventure and the next foul play.

If RD had no reason to lie- presume that for a minute. Just basic logic for my head right now.

We know Gaia was very distressed and anxious. We know she had medical conditions. She ups and leaves and starts running and gets to RD's which is familiar to her. She is let in and starts stripping (not hypothermia in MOO- anxiety, pre- seizure, reaction to medication- combo of all). She is told to get dressed again. She says she is leaving to go see a friend and the friend lives on Cow's Lane.

So she leaves. And if past behaviour is a good indication of future behaviour. She runs. I google mapped it and Cow's lane is in the direction of where she ended up. Say she doesn't stop at friend's house as they confirm they never saw her. She keeps going and gets to that field. Area is known to her. There is even a picture of her in a field with a stone wall and the sea in the background. Could be a place she likes to go. Gets there and slows down and the state of mind is still the same so starts to discard clothing with no regard about that (hence jacket left in RD).

THEN and only then do I believe hypothermia kicks in. Stopped running so stopped producing heat. Sweating as it is quite a journey and uphill. Cold night. Hypothermia can quickly set in. Dark, muddy, cold, no phone, poor mental state not good.

Unfortunate death by misadventure as nobody there to mind her...

And then I see Justice for Gaia hashtags and know the police know way more than we do and I swing back to why she was not found previously and the clothing and everything. PM will tell us more...

 

[Tortoise]

[FONT=&quot]A spokeswoman for Dorset Police said it would be wrong to speculate on the cause of Gaia’s death until a post mortem examination had been completed, when an update would be issued.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...fire-family-saw-members-arrested-girls-death/
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[johnsmith99]

From the 9th of November http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/ga...g_nightmare__as_hundreds_join_search_for_her/


John, would those search points cover where either the clothes or body was found?

The area she was found is between Anvil Point and Dancing Ledge so they did cover that section but if they followed the lower path they would have missed her and if they followed the top path and didn't bother to look over the walls into the fields behind the path then they would have missed her and the clothes. They may have looked in through the gate into where the clothes were but the grass is fairly long in that field so they may have just missed them.

 

[PaulR]

[FONT="]A spokeswoman for Dorset Police said it would be wrong to speculate on the cause of Gaia’s death until a post mortem examination had been completed, when an update would be issued.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...fire-family-saw-members-arrested-girls-death/
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I'm reading that as it wasn't completely obvious that Gaia was murdered - no knife wounds or something.

 

[johnsmith99]

Many thanks John, great map and local knowledge. It confirmed what I thought. Just to add some more details, the white cliffs can be seen in the background of the photo's of the forensics picking up the clothing items, this suggests the photo was taken facing eastwards - would that be correct? And therefore suggest the dry stone wall in the background of said photos was running north-south?

And therefore suggesting the clothes were dropped on route to the area GP was found, toward the sea?

That photo is looking east as the Isle of Wight is in the background. It could be the field where the clothes were found, in which case there would be a gate just to the right of the picture. It could also be the next field over where the footpath goes down to bell view farm. You can't see in the photo if they are collecting evidence or just walking along a path so it is difficult to know exactly which field they are in and what they are doing.

Based on the fact that the photographer was using a long telephoto lens I would guess that it is the field where the clothes were found and the photographer was a couple fields to the west.

 

[Tortoise]

I'm wondering if the chief running the investigation ever gets a day off under these circumstances.

 

[Reallyodd]

I think one particular telling thing as regards what her cousin has said about justice, is that the family identified the clothing, and perhaps the shoes looked far to clean. They certainly looked way too clean in the photos, as did other items and if they had been there for that length of time, I wouldn't expect them to be so. Add in what JohnSmith has said about tyre tracks and add in that searches had already taken place from Durlston to Dancing Ledge and nothing was found and then she was found yesterday in the same area. Adding to all that, she had been wearing what looks like a warm jacket in the cctv of the petrol station, so it wouldn't surprise me if she was hot, especially with running after that before she got to RD's.

 

[tallmansix]

That photo is looking east as the Isle of Wight is in the background. It could be the field where the clothes were found, in which case there would be a gate just to the right of the picture. It could also be the next field over where the footpath goes down to bell view farm. You can't see in the photo if they are collecting evidence or just walking along a path so it is difficult to know exactly which field they are in and what they are doing.

Based on the fact that the photographer was using a long telephoto lens I would guess that it is the field where the clothes were found and the photographer was a couple fields to the west.

Many thanks again, great to have local knowledge added into this mystery. There are a few photos with clothes being picked up and the cliffs in the background, in this case the blue shirt. I've followed the sequence of photos and some distinctive parts of the dry stone wall and the clothes appear to be some distance apart - would GP carry on walking whilst taking clothes off rather than stand in one spot - does this mean anything to anyone?

 

[clockness]

I think the justice comments may be referring to the offenders in prison for abusing her that are soon to be released, who the family blame for her mental state

 

[Shiressleuth]

We have the CCTV footage of her running up the road to RDs front door.

I'm still catching up here. Is there also cctv footage of her leaving as well then?

 

[ColourPurple]

Long time no see.

I've been following the case, fearing the worst but hoping for the best. I'm finding GE's behaviour incredibly annoying. Of course nobody likes the idea of their family being questioned by police on suspicion of murder but FGS their home was the last place Gaia was seen by anybody. She's not been seen alive since CCTV capturing her running to their flat so OF COURSE police need to question the people who live there! And one of those people went AWOL after she disappeared and her clothes and body weren't found until after they returned to the area, so again OF COURSE police are going to want to speak to them. The police would be mad not to. And yes they might be totally unconnected to whatever happened to Gaia but surely GE can see WHY police need to speak to them, if only to rule them out?

 

[johnsmith99]

I think one particular telling thing as regards what her cousin has said about justice, is that the family identified the clothing, and perhaps the shoes looked far to clean. They certainly looked way too clean in the photos, as did other items and if they had been there for that length of time, I wouldn't expect them to be so. Add in what JohnSmith has said about tyre tracks and add in that searches had already taken place from Durlston to Dancing Ledge and nothing was found and then she was found yesterday in the same area. Adding to all that, she had been wearing what looks like a warm jacket in the cctv of the petrol station, so it wouldn't surprise me if she was hot, especially with running after that before she got to RD's.

Clean looking shoes doesn't necessarily mean anything. The shoes look like flat soled trainers which would only have a fine tread pattern which means they don't collect a lot of soil. The track up to the cliff is very light coloured clay which doesn't stick that well to shoes plus light clay on a white shoe wouldn't show up that well at a distance in a photo. The last two fields before where the clothes were found are not very muddy but did have long wet grass which has a tendency to clean the sides and bottom of your shoes as you walk through it.

There were tyre tracks on the track but as there is an active quarry at the top of the hill and farm vehicles go up there all the time it probably doesn't mean anything.

Only the police will know the truth as they will be able to check the soil in between the treads to compare it to the clay on the track. We will have to wait for the forensic report to see what really happened.

 

[Ironside]

I think the justice comments may be referring to the offenders in prison for abusing her that are soon to be released, who the family blame for her mental state

They were already jailed so it's not possible for them to get justice again for that.

 

[PaulR]

Long time no see.

I've been following the case, fearing the worst but hoping for the best. I'm finding GE's behaviour incredibly annoying. Of course nobody likes the idea of their family being questioned by police on suspicion of murder but FGS their home was the last place Gaia was seen by anybody. She's not been seen alive since CCTV capturing her running to their flat so OF COURSE police need to question the people who live there! And one of those people went AWOL after she disappeared and her clothes and body weren't found until after they returned to the area, so again OF COURSE police are going to want to speak to them. The police would be mad not to. And yes they might be totally unconnected to whatever happened to Gaia but surely GE can see WHY police need to speak to them, if only to rule them out?

And why would the police need to arrest them for murder?

 

[johnsmith99]

Many thanks again, great to have local knowledge added into this mystery. There are a few photos with clothes being picked up and the cliffs in the background, in this case the blue shirt. I've followed the sequence of photos and some distinctive parts of the dry stone wall and the clothes appear to be some distance apart - would GP carry on walking whilst taking clothes off rather than stand in one spot - does this mean anything to anyone?

It does look like the clothes were down the east wall then based on the photos. That could mean that they were put there or it could mean that she wasn't thinking straight when she took her clothes off and didn't follow the quickest route across the field.