Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #30

[Bohemian]

enablers.
for whatever reason they can justify away in their own minds why they protect anti social behaviour is beyond me.
I dispise them in all forms they hide. more so than affenders.
without the enablers the affenders can't hide.
some enablers are scared sure but plenty just have their heads up their arses in denial.
imo

and if that's whats going on in Williams case......the protector/enabler should be equally prosecuted.

I agree, in principle. Personally, I would prefer to have a clear conscience than to carry the burden of anyone else’s guilt or have to pay for my silence with time spent in prison (not to mention the lifelong stigma which would be attached to my family and I) if I was charged as found guilty of concealing a serious offence.

An advantage for an enabler in this case is not only the peace associated with having a clear conscience but the ability to start a new life and, let’s not forget; the all-important reward of ONE MILLION DOLLARS.

I know which remedy I would want (no, beg) to take —the one that coincides with the (often painful) reality, provides safety and aids in my recovery from what must be a dysfunctional, if not extremely toxic, relationship.

 

[Cagney&Lacey]

Aww, Cagney. Biggest hugs. :grouphug:

And I agree, the damaging behaviour may have spread much further than is known to anyone else in the family. Now IS the time to speak up, if they haven't done so already.

As well, I have always thought that the 6 year old that Spedding (allegedly) assaulted was thrown off the bed/against the wall by him because she was trying to protect her little 3 year old sister. I have read about so many elder kids that take the abuse themselves, but when it spreads to their younger siblings they try to stop it.

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Thanks SA [emoji171]


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[papertrail]

My heart is with the girls facing court this week with regard to BS allegations. My concern is that other victims have not spoken out with regard to BS, TJ or any other of the named POI for not wanting to upset the apple cart.

As a child I was molested by an uncle and have never told a soul (not even my husband). At the time I did not want to upset my parents and make them feel guilty or cause drama. I hate conflict and always want to be the 'good guy'. ( I'm a Cancerian. It's in my makeup lol [emoji7]) I grew up in a Nice catholic family with an abundance of love so stuff like this just didn't happen in the 70's/80's and I loved my parents and didn't want to embarrass them or make waves. They have both passed so I hope to hell the can't access Websleuths from heaven lol. [emoji56]

I'm wondering if there are family members in this case who felt as I did and have not spoken up and think... I'm fine, I don't want to cause drama.

My message to them would be ... It's not about you now... ITS ABOUT WILLIAM and he may be still out there so SPEAK UP. Even if you do it anonymously [emoji171]


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💞 and a huge hug💖

 

[k-mac]

My heart is with the girls facing court this week with regard to BS allegations. My concern is that other victims have not spoken out with regard to BS, TJ or any other of the named POI for not wanting to upset the apple cart.

As a child I was molested by an uncle and have never told a soul (not even my husband). At the time I did not want to upset my parents and make them feel guilty or cause drama. I hate conflict and always want to be the 'good guy'. ( I'm a Cancerian. It's in my makeup lol [emoji7]) I grew up in a Nice catholic family with an abundance of love so stuff like this just didn't happen in the 70's/80's and I loved my parents and didn't want to embarrass them or make waves. They have both passed so I hope to hell the can't access Websleuths from heaven lol. [emoji56]

I'm wondering if there are family members in this case who felt as I did and have not spoken up and think... I'm fine, I don't want to cause drama.

My message to them would be ... It's not about you now... ITS ABOUT WILLIAM and he may be still out there so SPEAK UP. Even if you do it anonymously [emoji171]


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I'm sorry c & l that has happened to you.
you the victim never have to explain away why you did what you did or didn't do to cope. speaking out about abuse is probably the hardest challenge a person can face. god news the confusion for kids.
I hope you didn't feel compelled to reply to my comment. VICTIMS ARE NOT ENABLERS and owe nobody anything.
enablers are the friends , family members co workers etc who just don't wanna get involved. nothing to do with them mentalilty. I'm sorry but if you are thinking these thoughts....YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO TELL SOMEBODY!!

speak up. so what if you fallout with a child molesterer?? etc is it really a loss????

 

[purpleandgreen]

I wonder in a case like this, who would take the stand first. The victims, the witnesses or the accused? I also wonder if it’s a closed court because there appears to be a media ban so it could be to protect the victims.

 

[SouthAussie]

I wonder in a case like this, who would take the stand first. The victims, the witnesses or the accused? I also wonder if it’s a closed court because there appears to be a media ban so it could be to protect the victims.

At a big, huge guess, I would think that the prosecution will enter all the historical evidence first, to build their case. Medical reports presented by a specialist medical person/sexual assault unit, police evidence presented by a relevant officer. Get the case going. Then likely the witnesses, then victims. imo

The victims will have a lot of impact. Best to place them last, in the prosecution case, I would think.

The accused won't even have to take the stand, if his lawyer thinks it is not a smart idea.

Though, with a judge-only trial, it may be done a little differently, or a lot differently. :dunno:

Maybe going back and looking at Simon Gittany's judge-only trial will help. There was lots of daily media and tweets about that all throughout the trial.

 

[Wexford]

I wonder in a case like this, who would take the stand first. The victims, the witnesses or the accused? I also wonder if it’s a closed court because there appears to be a media ban so it could be to protect the victims.

I hope so. It would be ghastly enough to have to relive those experiences anyway with those who have to be present let alone having a huge audience. I am not at all surprised that people never go through with these sorts of cases.

 

[Bohemian]

My heart is with the girls facing court this week with regard to BS allegations. My concern is that other victims have not spoken out with regard to BS, TJ or any other of the named POI for not wanting to upset the apple cart.

As a child I was molested by an uncle and have never told a soul (not even my husband). At the time I did not want to upset my parents and make them feel guilty or cause drama. I hate conflict and always want to be the 'good guy'. ( I'm a Cancerian. It's in my makeup lol [emoji7]) I grew up in a Nice catholic family with an abundance of love so stuff like this just didn't happen in the 70's/80's and I loved my parents and didn't want to embarrass them or make waves. They have both passed so I hope to hell he can't access Websleuths from heaven lol. [emoji56]

I'm wondering if there are family members in this case who felt as I did and have not spoken up and think... I'm fine, I don't want to cause drama.

My message to them would be ... It's not about you now... ITS ABOUT WILLIAM and he may be still out there so SPEAK UP. Even if you do it anonymously [emoji171]


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Well said, C&G.

I am so sorry that your trust was broken by someone who had the responsibility to treat you as the precious child you were (and the strong and resilient adult you are now). You didn’t deserve to be abused. It wasn’t your fault. No child (or adult for that matter) deserves to be abused and carry the shame that rightly belongs to the perpetrator of a terrible crime such as that. Prayers of strength and comfort to you on your path to healing, C&G x

 

[frogwell]

At a big, huge guess, I would think that the prosecution will enter all the historical evidence first, to build their case. Medical reports presented by a specialist medical person/sexual assault unit, police evidence presented by a relevant officer. Get the case going. Then likely the witnesses, then victims. imo

The victims will have a lot of impact. Best to place them last, in the prosecution case, I would think.

The accused won't even have to take the stand, if his lawyer thinks it is not a smart idea.

Though, with a judge-only trial, it may be done a little differently, or a lot differently. :dunno:

Maybe going back and looking at Simon Gittany's judge-only trial will help. There was lots of daily media and tweets about that all throughout the trial.

and somewhere in there would be the right to cross examine all testimony by the prosecution and the defense.

 

[SouthAussie]

and somewhere in there would be the right to cross examine all testimony by the prosecution and the defense.

Yes. Also, the defence may put on its own witnesses and specialists, if there is anything that can be legitimately challenged or interpreted differently.

They would need to show strong reasonable doubt in a factual way, with a judge acting as judge and jury.

Neither side can rely on the emotions of a jury to bring them the result they are trying to achieve.

 

[SouthAussie]

Reading more about historical crimes and reforms in sexual assault reporting and prosecution .....


"The extent of false complaints of sexual assault is difficult to establish. However, the available evidence suggests that it is small. A Victorian study, which analysed 850 rapes reported to the police over the period 2000–03, found that only 2.1% of reports were designated as false by the police.

Despite these data, concern about lying and fabrication has been a central feature of the sexual assault trial. Research has indicated that many complainants are asked about lying in cross examination. In the Heroines of Fortitude study, for example, 84% of complainants were asked questions about lying, and one complainant was asked 98 questions about lying in cross examination.

In addition, women are questioned about their motives for reporting, seeking revenge, and whether they made a report simply to access victims’ compensation—one-third of complainants in the Heroines study were asked about this."

https://www.alrc.gov.au/publication...ly Violence/history-activism-and-legal-change

 

[SouthAussie]

My apologies if trial-talk bores the pants off some people. I went back to the Cherish Perrywinkle thread today, now that the trial is in the penalty phase.

I dropped off the thread a long time ago, not long after Cherish was found raped, murdered, and dumped. I was so disgusted with her Aussie mother, and her blind 'trust' in a stranger due to money.

I see now on that thread that only a few people are there, participating in the trial talk. The many, many others that were there have moved on.

However, I do think trial-talk can be significant here, as I think a successful verdict(s) for these historical cases against Spedding may be pivotal to finding William, and/or finding out what has happened to him, and/or prosecuting the offender.

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[Hbayne]

Why is the media so quiet on all of this trial, totally understand the sake of the women involved kept under wraps but why is he afforded this

 

[Hbayne]

Why is the media so quiet on all of this trial, totally understand the sake of the women involved kept under wraps but why is he afforded this

Sorry iPad glitching and the rest of my post gone

 

[frogwell]

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/02/22/17/29/wa-man-charged-with-murder-of-missing-perth-teen

WA man charged with murder of missing Perth teen

Detectives were looking for a 1992 white Toyota Camry station wagon with the vehicle identification number (VIN) of 6T172SV2109318479, which they believe could help with the investigation, he said.

B U BM

Very long shot here, but you never know, it might tie in with the search for vehicles in WT's investigation. Because GJ has described the investigation as dynamic with hundreds of POI's, and when some are crossed off they are replaced by others, I got the impression it was about locating cars. MOO

 

[Karo]

Why is the media so quiet on all of this trial, totally understand the sake of the women involved kept under wraps but why is he afforded this

Supression orders apparently but it was a crime against children so I think it's probable the court is closed

 

[SouthAussie]

TGY ... you're back! Did you bring us presents??

 

[SouthAussie]

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/02/22/17/29/wa-man-charged-with-murder-of-missing-perth-teen

WA man charged with murder of missing Perth teen

Detectives were looking for a 1992 white Toyota Camry station wagon with the vehicle identification number (VIN) of 6T172SV2109318479, which they believe could help with the investigation, he said.

B U BM

Very long shot here, but you never know, it might tie in with the search for vehicles in WT's investigation. Because GJ has described the investigation as dynamic with hundreds of POI's, and when some are crossed off they are replaced by others, I got the impression it was about locating cars. MOO

Very old car. I wish them all the luck in the world finding that. Hopefully it hasn't been crushed and shredded. Presumably they have inquired at all the scrap metal yards, to see if that VIN is in their records ... and now are looking further afield.

Doesn't sound as if the car would be on the road, with no rego number provided. I wonder when it was last registered.

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[SouthAussie]

Why is the media so quiet on all of this trial, totally understand the sake of the women involved kept under wraps but why is he afforded this

Makes me angry that we can't hear about this right now. But Spedding is under sub judice due to the Victorian charges that are still to be heard.

Hence, no-one can hear about any of his previous (now current) criminal matters until that Victorian case is over.

They have done all they can do, which is publish a silent-ish video of him leaving court, just to let everyone know the NSW matter is happening now.


In criminal proceedings, the sub judice period begins at the time of arrest or charge, whichever occurs first.
https://www.vgso.vic.gov.au/content/refresher-sub-judice-contempt-publish-or-not-publish

“It’s appropriate this matter follows the conclusion of the matter in New South Wales,” the barrister said.
Magistrate Ronald Saines said it was unusual, but he would adjourn the case to further committal mention at a date to be fixed.

Court documents show Victoria Police charged Spedding with multiple child sexual abuse offences, including various counts of indecent assault and sexual intercourse with children between 1983 and 1985.

The offences alleged to have occurred in Clarendon, near Ballarat, and other regional locations.

https://donaldelley.wordpress.com/2...uld-avoid-court-for-rest-of-year-6-july-2017/

 

[they'll get you]

The main media players are there waiting for him (see the reflection in the glass). They definitely want comment - during a supposed sub judice period - something is going on. :thinking:

I wonder if we will hear from Channels 7 & 9? Though he is still under sub judice for the Victorian matter.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...-court/video/b999c2841c6e05f21e96b598bb7b296e

I got hooked on Valium milkshakes during my stint. Do ya want to share, two straws ready.

OK....

That’s definitely the (old) Downing Centre and not John Maddison Tower. I can see them walking into The Museum Station which is under the Downing Centre Court.
The Downing centre has the steps out front and John Maddison. Has none.

Margarets smart attitude left me gobsmacked as she walked down into the station.

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