CA CA - Hannah, 16, Devonte, 15, & Sierra Hart, 12, Mendocino County, 26 March 2018 #1

[Spellbound]

Thanks so much for posting. Is there anyway you can take a screenshot of this and markup where the suv went over and where found. I don’t see vehicle in the video.

I think it may be from after the vehicle the vehicle was removed... I don’t see it either. I don’t know that I could pinpoint the exact place it went over, but perhaps someone else can..?

 

[mrsu]

Can someone confirm for me...were the kids that were found in the vehicle or ejected from it?

It’s also curious that it seems the 3 missing kids were the ones who had reached out to neighbors/teacher.

 

[Spellbound]

Photo from Mendocino Sheriff’s Office ... tow rope in place.
http://www.kptv.com/story/37852994/...r-pinned-at-90-mph-in-deadly-california-crash

 

[Spellbound]

Interesting video re the search of home, what investigators will look at regarding the car’s rpm’s, speed, braking, etc. (you’ll have to copy/paste for video or go to the article)

http://www.kgw.com/video/news/deputies-search-home-of-family-in-fatal-crash/283-8061739

http://www.kgw.com/article/news/loc...uv-pinned-at-90-mph-report-says/283-533859540

 

[everybodhi]

I asked hubby about where the suv landed, speedometer stuck at 90. He pointed out if the driver had there foot on the gas AFTER the car went over the edge of the cliff the speedometer would jump up quickly. ( wheels in the air, no drag ). Hope that makes sense.

Several engineers and mechanics have said the same on the CHP FB Page.

 

[Zelda1010]

Can someone confirm for me...were the kids that were found in the vehicle or ejected from it?

It’s also curious that it seems the 3 missing kids were the ones who had reached out to neighbors/teacher.

"The bodies of three siblings — Markis Hart, 19, Jeremiah Hart, and Abigail Hart, both 14 — lay scattered on the rocks and in the rising surf, emergency responders said. Their mothers were in the wreckage of the GMC Yukon"
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/8...continue-search-for-three?artslide=13&sba=AAS

The 6 year old abuse victim from 2010/2011 is AH, the 16 year old girl who made the most recent contact with neighbor's was HH, and, of course, DH requesting the food.

DH, HH and SH (for whom I can find no documented recent abuse, just the 2010 allegations that all of them, except one boy, was physically punished) are currently missing.

 

[everybodhi]

Can someone confirm for me...were the kids that were found in the vehicle or ejected from it?

It’s also curious that it seems the 3 missing kids were the ones who had reached out to neighbors/teacher.

No children were found in the vehicle, three children were on the rocks, the mothers were the only ones in their seatbelts in the car.

 

[everybodhi]

I think it may be from after the vehicle the vehicle was removed... I don’t see it either. I don’t know that I could pinpoint the exact place it went over, but perhaps someone else can..?

When watching the drone video, there are deep tire marks left behind from when they pulled the car back up the cliff.

 

[Spellbound]

Video here shows a different angle and dry land with car at the very beginning:

http://time.com/5219875/devonte-hart-family-california-suv-crash/

 

[cybervampira]

Can someone identify the car debris seen at 0:20 in this video? What car part could that be?
https://youtu.be/L-QuOZEqivM

 

[everybodhi]

Can someone identify the car debris seen at 0:20 in this video? What car part could that be?
https://youtu.be/L-QuOZEqivM

No, but I wonder whose size seven and half adidas shoe that belongs to that the couple found on the beach in your link.
A little off topic, but..
I guess y’all have heard about the feet in athletic shoes that routinely wash ashore? Never sandals or heels, only athletic shoes.

The human feet that routinely wash ashore in the Pacific Northwest, explained

 

[gitana1]

http://www.crimeonline.com/2018/03/...lunge-that-may-have-killed-the-entire-family/

More insights into their home life from Nancy Grace

The home does not look like a home where 6 kids grew up. It was obsessively clean.

http://www.crimeonline.com/2018/03/...d-bath-because-she-had-a-penny-in-her-pocket/


If Jen responded so harshly to such a little thing, like finding a penny in a pocket, the kids must have been trained to behave, without question, and act like circus performers.

I don't see any photos of the home?

This article talks about the homeschooling. They never notified school authorities or registered the kids when they moved to their new home.

Which they were renting. There are some quotes from the realtor they were using. The usual praise, and he considered them “close” even only working with them for four months. What is it about these women that convinces people they are so wonderful and that they know them so well?

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...f/2018/03/mystery_only_deepens_of_what_l.html

They were above reproach as a loving, diverse LGBTQ family who promoted peace and love and resistance. Etc.

It's just like how families like the Duggars were viewed as super religious and thus incredibly moral and to be looked up to. People who identify with them religiously and politically could not believe anything bad was going on in their home. People still defend them passionately and make all sorts of excuses for their behavior.

I bet it's the flip side here. Super liberal people would view them as heroic and it would be hard to get past that veneer and admit that anything could be wrong. Because "they believe like me and live even better than I do".

I think I even saw a bit of that in one post here. Sort of like well all my friends know them and say they're great so I don't think I can have an opinion here, kind of thing.

I'm a pretty hardcore liberal myself so I understand a little. But I'm also a skeptic and the facts reported so far are what impress me- not who these people were and/or pretended to be.

If this article has been posted I apologize. Seems like there was abuse going on. It infuriates me that these children basically sought out help from neighbors who didn't report any of what they saw.

http://www.crimeonline.com/2018/03/...s-seemed-like-they-had-been-told-not-to-talk/

Echoes of the Turpins. Very sweet, loving, smiling kids who weren't really allowed to communicate with others. Children of narcissists often become super sweet and loving people pleasers who are highly sensitive, especially to the needs and feelings of others.

To outsiders, your dad is a larger-than-life social magnet who attracts people from all walks of life. Or your mom is the perfect woman, always looking to please and juggling everything with ease.
But behind closed doors, all pretense falls away. Only you, their child, knows what it’s like to endure their cold shoulders for days on end over a minor infraction, or bear the brunt of constant, age-inappropriate demands for perfection and strength. You know what it’s like to be parented by a narcissist.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5616b091e4b0082030a18f72

Being raised by a narcissist gives rise to a belief throughout our lives that we are just not “good enough” despite everything we try and bending over backwards to please others.

And it damages your boundaries, which are the invisible barriers between you and your outside systems that regulate the flow of information and input between you and these systems.

• Very attuned (to an almost uncanny degree) to what everyone around them is feeling, because they have a hyper-sensitivity to what others are experiencing (they had to have this in order to survive being raised by a narcissist). This can lead to their inability to protect themselves from others' emotions.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kathyc...mages-your-life-and-self-esteem/#1874892b2c67

 

[everybodhi]

Video here shows a different angle and dry land with car at the very beginning:

http://time.com/5219875/devonte-hart-family-california-suv-crash/

Spellbound, there’s something wrong there, Time made a booboo.

That is not the Juan Creek location, that is another car from two days ago that went over a cliff in Pacifica, south of SF.
They have different, sandy cliffs, not rocky, and big sandy beaches.

You can see photos here.

18-year-old woman’s vehicle plunges 300 feet off cliff near Pacifica

 

[everybodhi]

I don't see any photos of the home?

>snip

The video on the Crimeonline link where Devonte is dancing in his underwear shows a good view of inside the house, the living and dining area anyway, at Christmas, the tree is reflecting in the window.

 

[Breezie]

The link from Nancy Grace has videos, not photos, of the kids, in the home. It did not look like a home that had 6 kids living in it.

 

[everybodhi]

Video here shows a different angle and dry land with car at the very beginning:

http://time.com/5219875/devonte-hart-family-california-suv-crash/

They have removed the video of Pacifica and replaced it with a Juan Creek video.

 

[gitana1]

If they are in the ocean, they sank.
They may never resurface, if that is the case.




Warning: Graphic


What Happens To A Dead Body In The Ocean?


How long do dead bodies remain intact in the ocean?

I have to read the link. But unless bodies are weighed down don't dead bodies bloat up from gas and surface?

http://www.kptv.com/story/37852994/court-docs-speedometer-in-woodland-familys-car-pinned-at-90-mph-in-deadly-california-crash
The speedometer in the car of a Woodland family who died in a crash on the California coastline was “pinned” at 90 mph, indicating to officers the vehicle was running and in motion just prior to hitting the rocks below, according to court documents.
Court documents state California Highway Patrol investigators found no “acceleration marks, tire friction marks or braking furrow marks” at the scene.
Investigators said there was no evidence the car collided with the embankment as it “traversed towards the tidal zone below.”


http://www.kgw.com/article/news/loc...uv-pinned-at-90-mph-report-says/283-533859540
“It was a very confusing scene because there were no skid marks, there were no brake marks," Mendocino County Sheriff Tom Allman said on March 28. "There was no indication of why this vehicle traversed approximately over 75 feet of a dirt pullout and went into the Pacific Ocean.”


KPTV says it obtained the 12-page document after a search warrant was served at the Hart family home in Woodland, Wash.


Animal control seized one cat, several chickens and ducks from the home, the Clark County Animal Control told KGW. The arriving officer said it appeared two dogs also lived at the home but were not present.

What happened to the dogs?

"The bodies of three siblings — Markis Hart, 19, Jeremiah Hart, and Abigail Hart, both 14 — lay scattered on the rocks and in the rising surf, emergency responders said. Their mothers were in the wreckage of the GMC Yukon"
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/8...continue-search-for-three?artslide=13&sba=AAS


The 6 year old abuse victim from 2010/2011 is AH, the 16 year old girl who made the most recent contact with neighbor's was HH, and, of course, DH requesting the food.


DH, HH and SH (for whom I can find no documented recent abuse, just the 2010 allegations that all of them, except one boy, was physically punished) are currently missing.

Could that be because they became more isolated since then?

 

[everybodhi]

I have to read the link. But unless bodies are weighed down don't dead bodies bloat up from gas and surface?

Not in the cold Pacific Ocean. Read the link.
Or, read the link about feet in athletic shoes washing ashore, that covers it, too.

What happened to the dogs?

Washed into the sea?

 

[everybodhi]

I wonder if there were signs of alcohol or drugs suggesting a felony?

 

[Oregonsleuther]

"The bodies of three siblings — Markis Hart, 19, Jeremiah Hart, and Abigail Hart, both 14 — lay scattered on the rocks and in the rising surf, emergency responders said. Their mothers were in the wreckage of the GMC Yukon"
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/8...continue-search-for-three?artslide=13&sba=AAS

The 6 year old abuse victim from 2010/2011 is AH, the 16 year old girl who made the most recent contact with neighbor's was HH, and, of course, DH requesting the food.

DH, HH and SH (for whom I can find no documented recent abuse, just the 2010 allegations that all of them, except one boy, was physically punished) are currently missing.

DH sought help from neighbors as recent as last week and HH has shown up as well. They say she was missing front teeth but I’ve wondered if HH and SH have been confused by neighbors. SH seems to smile in photos not showing teeth.

At any rate, it appears those that are missing were the ones showing signs of most recent abuse.