Identified! IN - Lake Village, 'Brad' 1384UMIN, Eyler victim, Oct'83 - John Ingram Brandenburg, Jr.

[EffyElsewhere]

Has Raymond Hunley http://nampn.org/cases/hunley_raymond.html been suggested for UP # 6105?

I found several news article clippings from 1983 about the four bodies found. There's a reoccurring mention that there might be a relation to a string of unsolved homosexual killings in Indiana and Illinois that occured within a similiar time frame.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?...AIBAJ&sjid=5ocDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3516,1722147&hl=en

https://news.google.com/newspapers?...AIBAJ&sjid=fNYEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2655,3759335&hl=en

 

[CountEveryMoment]

What about Gerald Bradshaw? http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4362dmva.html

 

[CountEveryMoment]

I don't know if anyone had pointed it out yet, but Brads tattoo is similar to a Pachuco Cross, but this one has only 2 lines radiating instead of 3. I don't know the significance of it though. I thought I would just point it out.

 

[CarlK90245]

New article on Adam & Brad.

In October of 1983, two mushroom hunters discovered the bodies of four boys in a vacant lot in Lake Village, Indiana. Two of the boys were quickly identified and sent home.

But, the other two – still to this day, 33 years later – remain unidentified.

“These are somebody’s sons. Somebody’s brothers. I can’t imagine,” McCord emotionally stated. “I’ve had people tell me maybe they’re not being looked for. I just can’t imagine that.”

Read More:

http://wthitv.com/2016/08/11/they-g...ng-to-identify-victims-from-larry-eyler-case/

 

[HoaZi]

I'm currently researching Eyler's Doe victims. In addition to Adam, Brad, and the Jasper Doe, a John Doe in Hendricks county gets mentioned in some places but not in others, so I haven't been able to pin down if Hendricks is one of his, too. Is McCord still the coroner in Newton county? Their website lists someone else as a contact. I live in driving distance and would love to talk to someone about this case, but want to get in more research before I do so.

 

[CarlK90245]

Is McCord still the coroner in Newton county? Their website lists someone else as a contact. I live in driving distance and would love to talk to someone about this case, but want to get in more research before I do so.

Scott McCord is retired as the Newton County Coroner. He is now a councilman. But from what I understand, he is still working on these cases in his retirement.

 

[HoaZi]

Thank you, that will help a lot. I'm digging farther in, I've just been busy on other projects.

 

[WanABDetectiV]

I have what could be a potential match for Adam - The Doe Network: 999UMIN

Potential Match - Missing Person Case

In my opinion the height and weight are almost spot and there weren't any details about clothing or circumstances so it's possible hitchhiking could have gotten him from Washington State to Indiana within the two year period between when he went missing and when they think the victim may have died.

Let me know what you all think.

 

[WanABDetectiV]

I think I may also have a potential match for Brad -https://www.namus.gov/UnidentifiedPersons/Case#/6105

The match:
Missing Person Case

They both have a cross tattoo on the right forearm and the missing time fits.

What do you all think?

 

[AlwaysCoffee]

I have what could be a potential match for Adam - The Doe Network: 999UMIN

Potential Match - Missing Person Case

In my opinion the height and weight are almost spot and there weren't any details about clothing or circumstances so it's possible hitchhiking could have gotten him from Washington State to Indiana within the two year period between when he went missing and when they think the victim may have died.

Let me know what you all think.

I know I'm just a newbie (so what do I know?), but I think you may be onto something here. Did you report this?

 

[AlwaysCoffee]

I'm very new at sleuthing, but I'd like to help out with identifying these does in any way that I can. My dad was almost abducted by Eyler back in the early '80s. If he didn't run away, I wouldn't be here... I think I owe it to these young men to at least try to help give them their names back.

 

[AlwaysCoffee]

Let me try my hand at this...

Relman M. Goolsby is a little old and heavy for a potential match to Adam, but I find him to be strikingly similar, so I think he's worth mentioning. Plus, based on his fashion tastes, he seems like the kind of guy who would like wearing a devil belt.
Relman M. Goolsby – The Charley Project

William Christopher Delk may be a stretch, but has he been considered as a match for Adam?
William Christopher Delk – The Charley Project

As for Brad, I think he resembles Frank Lamont Fox...
Frank Lamont Fox – The Charley Project

...and David Robert Gionet.
David Robert Gionet – The Charley Project

 

[b741ma]

I think there is pretty good chance that Brad or Adam may have not been reported missing. According to Eyler he paid Adam to perform a sex act before he murdered him. This leads me to believe that Brad or Adam may have been LGBT youth who were disowned by the parents. The 1970s and 80s were not the best times to be gay or bisexual and back then (and sadly even today) a lot of homeless LGBT youth take up prostitution in order to survive. It's very possible that they were not reported missing by their families because they were ashamed of their sexual orientation. Some have theorized that Adam was from St. Louis which makes sense as the St. Louis area has a large African-American community and Terre Haute, Indiana is on the way from St. Louis to New York City, which back in the 1980s had a thriving gay scene. It's very possible Adam was hitchhiking to New York from St. Louis when he crossed paths with Eyler.

This makes it certainly more difficult to identify Brad and Adam but not impossible. This case may be able to be solved with forensic genealogy but it's not definite.

 

[MadMcGoo]

Any chance that Brad and Adam could be Chipley and James?? A lot would have to be wrong with the Kentucky boys’ MP reports, but from the little I’ve read, it seems like there’s a chance that could be the case. (JMO) I noticed Kentucky mentioned upthread pertaining to another MP/possible Eyler victim...I thought it worth posting here in case someone more familiar with this SK might take a look...

“Adam” - black male, 15-18

NamUs UP6011
The Doe Network 999UMIN

1 Missing Person Exclusion:
MP6134 Raymond Green 11/06/1978 Fulton GA

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“Brad” - white male, 17-23

NamUs UP6105
The Doe Network 1384UMIN

31 Missing Person Exclusions:
MP8722 Calvin Anderson 06/17/1974 Iron MI
MP20441 Carl Holland 06/10/1983 Wayne IN
MP12980 Chris Freeman 05/08/1977 Dakota MN
MP997 David Waggoner 10/01/1971 Harris TX
MP7624 Gerald Bradshaw 1982 Virginia Beach VA
MP5650 Gregory Mitchell 11/16/1981 Polk FL
MP2723 James Norris 10/02/1974 Levy FL
MP4392 James Charapko 1975 Miami-Dade FL
MP5629 James Kinskey 03/27/1982 Fayette KY
MP7000 Jesse Work 02/06/1959 Riverside CA
MP1058 John Kinsora 02/26/1982 Maricopa AZ
MP1760 John Troha 10/14/1981 Oakland MI
MP4387 John Wagner 02/17/1968 Monroe MO
MP20957 Joseph Spears 07/31/1973 Harrison MS
MP4217 Keith Tindale 06/01/1983 Bossier LA
MP9227 Kenneth Stott 1983 Montgomery TX
MP2591 Lyndal Ashby 10/23/1960 Ohio KY
MP12546 Mark Collman 04/03/1979 Kendall IL
MP5595 Maxwell Graham 08/24/1978 Sumter SC
MP5895 Michael Burnett 03/17/1971 Butte CA
MP9697 Perry Stokes 08/24/1982 Todd KY
MP995 Ramon Vasquez 06/25/1982 Jim Wells TX
MP1712 Randy Sellers 08/16/1980 Kenton KY (x2)
MP69 Raymond Harris 11/26/1971 Douglas NE
MP9222 Robert Coe 03/12/1978 Travis TX
MP4391 Rogelio Cerda 06/29/1975 Matagorda TX
MP4548 Ronald Cole 05/01/1965 Ventura CA
MP3117 Steven Anderson 1975 Burlington NJ
MP5938 Steven Chait 03/13/1972 New York NY
MP2677 William Arnold 07/15/1967 Lancaster NE

 

[MadMcGoo]

Photos of Chipley and James, for comparison....

 

[victoriarobinson642]

They'd have to have gotten the years wrong for it to be them, I imagine

 

[JovanSrna]

There was an update on Doe Network regarding these two. Not sure what exactly but this sentence is interesting:
''Investigators are seeking forensic genetic genealogy in effort to identify the victim.''

 

[MadMcGoo]

There was an update on Doe Network regarding these two. Not sure what exactly but this sentence is interesting:
''Investigators are seeking forensic genetic genealogy in effort to identify the victim.''

This seems like potentially good news! Maybe. Fingers crossed for the boys!

 

[JovanSrna]

Any Indianans willing to check with the Newton County Coroner's Office and/or Newton County Sheriff's Department ?

 

[AlwaysCoffee]

I contacted Newton County PD a few weeks ago, but haven't heard anything back. It's possible that the message didn't go through on their website, so I'll try again.