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Can't help wondering if his wanting to cancel that party was also part of any argument preceding this Coincidental timing.
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Can't help wondering if his wanting to cancel that party was also part of any argument preceding this Coincidental timing.
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I agree and she doesn’t seem thrilled in the video where she announced it. I think it was a necessity and not a thing she really wanted to do.
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True, it takes two to be in a relationship, but he committed the murders all by himself.
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we have to be open to all options
my sense is in a month and a half she thinks she found someone
we have to wait
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i do think she would talk to her female friends but not to her family or brother he would want to go kill him
imo the brother is a poignant
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A Relationship without Empathy...
So much time, energy and emotion is spent trying to understand why emotional manipulators do what they do. The answer has never been a secret. It’s always been in plain sight, but perhaps due to its simplicity and our inability to relate, we shrug it off and continue the search for some way where we can blame ourselves.
Why do Narcissists make such terrible partners? Why are they so hurtful? The answer is of course empathy, or rather a lack there of.
Empathy is defined as – the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings and thoughts of another, of either the past or present, without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner. – Webster
The DSM tells us that psychopaths lack empathy and that a Narcissist’s ability to feel empathy is impaired. This means that they cannot understand or have concern for the feelings of others.
Why are Narcissist’s so self-centered? – Because your feelings, your needs do not compute. It’s as if they are emotionally color blind, thus, missing colors in their emotional color palette.
What does a relationship look like with someone that lacks empathy?
Lack of Empathy Symptoms in a Romantic Relationship
Everything is always about them. Your thoughts, feelings, needs and wants are not considered, unless they serve a purpose.
Emotional Manipulators ruin the holidays, birthdays or any special event that is important to their partners. They do not like to share attention and therefore, do not care to be a part of anything that doesn’t thrust them in the spotlight. They have an expectation to receive and feel uncomfortable with the concept of giving. They will, on occasion give, but the gift will often be off somehow, usually not exactly what you wanted or asked for. They do the absolute minimum in terms of effort, when it comes to bestowing something that does not directly benefit them.
When their partners are ill or have some type of pain or injury, the Narcissist will view this as an inconvenience to them and either be bothered by it or ignore it. They are not caregivers. They don’t do nurturing – unless it’s to get praise by others – “Look at how great Tom is being while Anne gets over her appendicitis.”
They are never wrong, so don’t expect to get an apology. You will always be wrong, and they will always be the wronged party.
No issue is ever resolved. They thrive in ambiguity. When you can’t pin them down for a time or a decision they can never be held accountable when they disappoint. Disappointment is what they do. Don’t expect to be able to count or rely on them for much, unless there is a benefit to them.
They have a real problem discerning cause and effect. They cannot see a link between their behavior and your reaction. They will look at your reaction to what they’ve done as the problem, rather than their behavior. [CW will never see that what he did was wrong; his vicious act was, and will always be, somebody else's fault. Also, if CW perceived a narcissistic injury from either SW's or his family, (which is a perceived threat to a narcissist's self-esteem or self-worth), it would serve to fuel his fire, and justify his actions. Undoubtedly, CW suffers from more than a personality disorder, but omitting the definitions and discussion of psychopaths and sociopaths here is intentional. I believe it's very serious stuff, and I'm not qualified to present it. Providing link below. All MOO].
Because of their fear of abandonment, they will try to control you through emotional, psychological and sometimes physical abuse. They will not care how this abuse affects you. They will not care if they have traumatized you, hurt you or that they are grounding your self-esteem into dust. The effects of their abuse do not generally even register with them.
Even if a Narcissist targeted you because of your wealth, business, fame, talent or connections, they will quickly start to resent you for these things. They are not supporters. They don’t do the cheerleader role. They will try to assert their control and methodically try to take over and try to take credit for your success, by undermining, demeaning and manipulating.
They will attack you verbally, emotionally sometimes physically if they feel that their ego is being threatened. You will usually be their emotional punching bag when things go wrong for them.
They have no interest in your growth and expansion. They don’t care about what’s best for you, your happiness or success. They will try to suppress these things, to maintain your compliance and their control.
They will make it very unpleasant for you to maintain outside relationships with family and friends. They want you there, focusing and serving them. They don’t want you to get any ideas, any hint of a better life. They don’t want people that love you to reach out and give you options, so any time you want to go out and socialize without them there will be a problem.
They will think nothing of flirting, spending time with or giving attention to another in your presence. They seek to be revered and the center of attention, it will not compute that their behavior is inappropriate or upsetting you. In fact, they will thrive on pitting one against the other, a term called triangulation. They love the feelings and attention that your jealousy gives them.
Nothing is ever equal. On matters that they care about they will insist on complete domination. In matters that don’t, they will not lift a finger to help or compromise.
They will not love you for you. They will constantly be trying to change you. They will criticize you and never let you feel comfortable in your own skin.
Their presence and energy will dominate your space. You won’t be able to work or focus on your own projects.
You will never be able to trust them. You will walk on egg shells because you will never know what’s coming or when the next shoe will drop. There is no relaxing, only high stress and anxiety.
You will never feel truly loved. You will never feel comfortable. You will never feel safe.
Why didn’t your relationship work? Stop searching. Stop looking for a way to make it your fault. If your relationship resembled many of the above behaviors, it’s time to stop obsessing. Stop the FBI analysis and start accepting the truth. Your relationship didn’t work out because you were involved with someone who has a Personality Disorder. It never had a chance.
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Psychopaths versus sociopaths: what is the difference?
So much time, energy and emotion is spent trying to understand why emotional manipulators do what they do. The answer has never been a secret. It’s always been in plain sight, but perhaps due to its simplicity and our inability to relate, we shrug it off and continue the search for some way where we can blame ourselves.
Why do Narcissists make such terrible partners? Why are they so hurtful? The answer is of course empathy, or rather a lack there of.
Empathy is defined as – the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings and thoughts of another, of either the past or present, without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner. – Webster
The DSM tells us that psychopaths lack empathy and that a Narcissist’s ability to feel empathy is impaired. This means that they cannot understand or have concern for the feelings of others.
Why are Narcissist’s so self-centered? – Because your feelings, your needs do not compute. It’s as if they are emotionally color blind, thus, missing colors in their emotional color palette.
What does a relationship look like with someone that lacks empathy?
Lack of Empathy Symptoms in a Romantic Relationship
Everything is always about them. Your thoughts, feelings, needs and wants are not considered, unless they serve a purpose.
Emotional Manipulators ruin the holidays, birthdays or any special event that is important to their partners. They do not like to share attention and therefore, do not care to be a part of anything that doesn’t thrust them in the spotlight. They have an expectation to receive and feel uncomfortable with the concept of giving. They will, on occasion give, but the gift will often be off somehow, usually not exactly what you wanted or asked for. They do the absolute minimum in terms of effort, when it comes to bestowing something that does not directly benefit them.
When their partners are ill or have some type of pain or injury, the Narcissist will view this as an inconvenience to them and either be bothered by it or ignore it. They are not caregivers. They don’t do nurturing – unless it’s to get praise by others – “Look at how great Tom is being while Anne gets over her appendicitis.”
They are never wrong, so don’t expect to get an apology. You will always be wrong, and they will always be the wronged party.
No issue is ever resolved. They thrive in ambiguity. When you can’t pin them down for a time or a decision they can never be held accountable when they disappoint. Disappointment is what they do. Don’t expect to be able to count or rely on them for much, unless there is a benefit to them.
They have a real problem discerning cause and effect. They cannot see a link between their behavior and your reaction. They will look at your reaction to what they’ve done as the problem, rather than their behavior. [CW will never see that what he did was wrong; his vicious act was, and will always be, somebody else's fault. Also, if CW perceived a narcissistic injury from either SW's or his family, (which is a perceived threat to a narcissist's self-esteem or self-worth), it would serve to fuel his fire, and justify his actions. Undoubtedly, CW suffers from more than a personality disorder, but omitting the definitions and discussion of psychopaths and sociopaths here is intentional. I believe it's very serious stuff, and I'm not qualified to present it. Providing link below. All MOO].
Because of their fear of abandonment, they will try to control you through emotional, psychological and sometimes physical abuse. They will not care how this abuse affects you. They will not care if they have traumatized you, hurt you or that they are grounding your self-esteem into dust. The effects of their abuse do not generally even register with them.
Even if a Narcissist targeted you because of your wealth, business, fame, talent or connections, they will quickly start to resent you for these things. They are not supporters. They don’t do the cheerleader role. They will try to assert their control and methodically try to take over and try to take credit for your success, by undermining, demeaning and manipulating.
They will attack you verbally, emotionally sometimes physically if they feel that their ego is being threatened. You will usually be their emotional punching bag when things go wrong for them.
They have no interest in your growth and expansion. They don’t care about what’s best for you, your happiness or success. They will try to suppress these things, to maintain your compliance and their control.
They will make it very unpleasant for you to maintain outside relationships with family and friends. They want you there, focusing and serving them. They don’t want you to get any ideas, any hint of a better life. They don’t want people that love you to reach out and give you options, so any time you want to go out and socialize without them there will be a problem.
They will think nothing of flirting, spending time with or giving attention to another in your presence. They seek to be revered and the center of attention, it will not compute that their behavior is inappropriate or upsetting you. In fact, they will thrive on pitting one against the other, a term called triangulation. They love the feelings and attention that your jealousy gives them.
Nothing is ever equal. On matters that they care about they will insist on complete domination. In matters that don’t, they will not lift a finger to help or compromise.
They will not love you for you. They will constantly be trying to change you. They will criticize you and never let you feel comfortable in your own skin.
Their presence and energy will dominate your space. You won’t be able to work or focus on your own projects.
You will never be able to trust them. You will walk on egg shells because you will never know what’s coming or when the next shoe will drop. There is no relaxing, only high stress and anxiety.
You will never feel truly loved. You will never feel comfortable. You will never feel safe.
Why didn’t your relationship work? Stop searching. Stop looking for a way to make it your fault. If your relationship resembled many of the above behaviors, it’s time to stop obsessing. Stop the FBI analysis and start accepting the truth. Your relationship didn’t work out because you were involved with someone who has a Personality Disorder. It never had a chance.
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www.esteemology.com, a website dedicated to educating and healing survivors of abusive relationships.
Psychopaths versus sociopaths: what is the difference?
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Could it possibly be that maybe he wanted to leave her and not the other way around? Maybe she didn't want to go because she wasn't actually making much money and raising 3 children alone is a hefty task. Just a thought.
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maybe there could be a good month or two
but when living in $ troulbe what is needed is predictable income
to manage
he provided that
but for some reason i think he had not employed for while
makes no sense to me either
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Yes. I think he's actually pretty good at using present tense for most of the interviews. I think he's nervous and feeling somewhat guilty and scared of being caught. But his affect is pretty emotionless for a person in his position.
I've said before that I don't think he's full psycho because he betrays some emotion that evidences nervousness about being caught, which true psychopaths don't have, and I sense emotion, some remorse about his kids (not his wife, BTW), but he managed to hold it together pretty well.
I think he has a history of lying and people believing him.
But as others have said he's not that smart. What gets me more than a couple past tense slip ups is his seeming surety that his kids would not be home the night. That struck me right away. As someone who has been through having family missing for several days and likely dead, you hold onto hope for a long time, coming up with improbable scenarios to explain how they're going to reappear, safe.
Every phone call is going to be them or news that they're safe. The hope that comes from love.
But he couldn't spend another night without them. That was a big red flag for me.
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There are many articles online about Neil Entwhistle. Here is one:
Dr. Keith: Inside The Mind of Neil Entwistle
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NA said she became immediately concerned about Watts when she didn't hear from her on the day she went missing. She said Watts had plans to see her doctor that day and missed the appointment.
She said she drove to the Watts' family home that day just as Chris Watts was pulling into the driveway.
I thought she called CW, who said he saw her on the doorbell camera, then he raced home...I guess I just assumed that she waited for him there. Is anyone else confused, or is it just me?
This is exactly what I thought - she was killing two birds with one stone, visiting her family and maybe helping her mom with the salon, but also growing her business there.
Her brother said, "She's the hardest working person I know."
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Where was it said he wanted to cancel the party?
I apologize in advance if this was already discussed as I have not been able to go thru every post. After rewatching the interview in front of the house the female interviewer starts talking then stops and asks CW about his t-shirt. The natural reflex from him was to release his arms and look down. He then goes on to comment about the shirt. I believe the interviewer does this on purpose to see if she can detect any type of injury to his right arm as he is holding is quite awkardly throughout the interview. MOO. Any thoughts?
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I don't know. He's smooth. But I saw something. He swallows hard after saying and spelling his kids' names. And he had a kind of shadow pass over his face a couple times.
No emotion like a normal human. But there was something that made me think he was feeling something as likely to confess soon. And he did.
A full psycho would never do so unless taunting people with a confession.
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It is absolutely standard. In every criminal case pretty much.
I'm glad her friends aren't talking to the media. Talk to the police. That's all they need to do. And maybe a psychologist.
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According to several articles, including this one, CW was employed, seeing as to how he was fired last week by Andarko.
Chris Watts case: Everything we know so far about the alleged murders of his wife, daughters
I am sure they reacted because her friend Nicole knew she was in deadly peril and told LE why.
EOE is not Eosinophilic Asthma. I actually work for a Pulmonologist and we treat that. It's Eosinophilic Esophagitis.
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