Never heard that from anyone. I thought it was the Silly String.If many women were honest they might admit it was her 36-DDD breast implants that dictated her guilt.
When I first heard of this case I would not believe she was guilty either. I could not believe a mother would so brutally murder her own children. Once I started to read though I started to sway to the other side. It was the 911 call that finally convinced me of her guilt. Especially when she drops the shouting to angrily declare to Darin someone came in there.Wow Emma, you summed up my feelings about this exactly! I think the reason why I spent so much time looking at the facts of this case and actually wanting to read everything I can about it, is because I really, really, really want to believe and find her innocent. I can only conclude that she is definitely guilty, but it is such a horrid, terrible, unimaginable crime for a mother to commit, that I really wish it had been an intruder.
Her injuries were minor compared to what her boys got.The pics of her injuries are actually pretty brutal, thats the one thing that keeps me from being 100% sure she did it. Those give me reasonable doubt at least. Google them they're worse than I thought, worse than they showed on tv.
The pics of her injuries are actually pretty brutal, thats the one thing that keeps me from being 100% sure she did it. Those give me reasonable doubt at least. Google them they're worse than I thought, worse than they showed on tv.
I think I knew about the vacuum and other staging before I knew about the blood drops on the back of her nightgown. The blood drops belong to one of the boys, are clearly drops downward, and can only have come to the back of her nightgown as she raised something bloody up high - which is the knife she stabbed her own sons with. I find those specific blood drops incontrovertible evidence of her Guilt.....RSBM for focus....
I don't know that I would pinpoint just one thing, but the items that convinced me of her guilt are as follows:
3. The cast-off blood on the back of her nightshirt, which has no other way to get there if she were lying on the couch when the boys were attacked.
7. Evidence that showed staging of the crime scene; such as the vacuum laid down on top of blood stains.
The pics of her injuries are actually pretty brutal, thats the one thing that keeps me from being 100% sure she did it. Those give me reasonable doubt at least. Google them they're worse than I thought, worse than they showed on tv.
Regarding the bruises on Darlie's right arm ( BTW, all IV's were inserted into her left arm so there's no question of the phlebotomist slipping while inserting the needle), she was disrobed and thoroughly examined when she was brought into the hospital on June 6. Online photos of her in the hospital show her with either no gown or short-sleeved gowns so any bruising would have been apparent within twenty four to forty eight hours of her hospital stay.JMO
I used to mainly think this way too and could not believe she could injure herself so badly but after studying so many brutal cases here on WS I have learned not to put it past anyone how bizarre and cruel a person can be.
And the one particular thing that I go to as an example to realize yeah she most likely did this and tried to get away with it is a movie of all things. LOL
The Dirty Harry movie when Scorpio pays someone to beat himself up.
I know its just a movie but I think she really could have inflicted her own damage on herself. She probably slipped a little too far and cut herself more badly than she realized she would.
Its horrific to think someone could do self harm like that but after she killed her own kids then she probably had it in her to do some bad self harm too.
All JMO of course
19 BY MR. DOUGLAS MULDER: 20 Q. There is a word in there, Darlie, that
21 they say is fighting and you said --
22 A. Frightened.
23 Q. Frightened? It sounds like --
24 A. I didn't say fighting.
...
13 Q. Well, do you have any recollection
14 of fighting with him, or struggling with him?
15 A. No.
...
23 Q. And, your interpretation of the 911
24 tape is that, you never used the word that "I was
25 fighting"; is that right?
1 A. No, sir. You can hear it.
2 Q. Your interpretation is you were 3 frightening?
4 A. I was frightened.
5 Q. Frightened.
...
23 Q. Of course our version was, "I was
24 fighting"?
25 A. Well, you can listen to it.
1 Q. Of course, if you said "I was
2 fighting," that would indicate that you remember what was
3 going on, right?
4 A. I'm not sure.
5 Q. Well, if you were able to say on the
6 911 tape, I was fighting him, that would mean you would
7 have a memory of that attack, wouldn't it?
8 A. Well, it does not necessarily mean 9 that.
More at link.
May 3 1996
I hope that one day you will forgive me for what I am about to do. My life has been such a hard fight for a long time, and I just cannot find the strength to keep fighting anymore. I love you three more than anything else in this world…I don’t want you to see a miserable person every time you look at me. Your dad loves you all very much and I know in my heart he will take care of my babies. Please do not hate me or think in any way that this is your fault. It’s just that I…”
Yes, during her testimony the prosecution asked her about several letters she wrote in which she told the recipients that she "knew" who did it. The letters cited Glen M and Gary A.Along with many points others have already mentioned, it was also the lie filled letters Darlie wrote to multiple family members and her accusation that it was a male acquaintance (I forget his name) that murdered Devon and Damon. Yet when the prosecution confronted Darlie with copies of these letters and brought the man in she accused of murdering Devon and Damon, Darlie crumbled on the stand. She thought she had outsmarted her family, the public, the jury and the prosecution. Epic failure on her part.
RIP peace Devon and Damon
For me it was the blood evidence (drops on the back of her gown, plus evidence that someone had tried to wash blood off in the sink---a thing a perp wouldn't do if a hysterical mom was chasing him). The staging of the scene was amateurish too. And the knife coming from her own house. If a maniac decides to bust into a house to kill two boys, wouldn't he bring his own knife?
For me it was the blood evidence (drops on the back of her gown, plus evidence that someone had tried to wash blood off in the sink---a thing a perp wouldn't do if a hysterical mom was chasing him). The staging of the scene was amateurish too. And the knife coming from her own house. If a maniac decides to bust into a house to kill two boys, wouldn't he bring his own knife?
No he will not testify about blood spatter i.e. cast off blood on Darlie's nightshirt in a new trial but Tom Bevel will since it was Bevel who testified about the cast off blood and not Linch. It was Bevel who did the demonstrations for the jury, not Linch. It was Bevel who testified about blood spatter not Linch.Do you mean the blood spatter evidence that was provided by Charles Linch? Maybe you should consider the following facts:
FACT: The forensic "expert" Charles Linch questioned his abilities in areas that he testified on.
Two years after providing the scientific evidence that helped send accused child killer Darlie Routier to death row, a Dallas forensic expert questioned his abilities in areas in which he testified. A series of memos attached to a job grievance filed against the Southwestern Institute of Forensic Sciences shows that Charles Linch questioned his qualifications in hair and fiber analysis and blood-spatter interpretation - all areas in which he testified against Ms. Routier, who was accused of fatally stabbing sons Devon and Damon in 1996.
FACT: Psychiatric issues and alcoholism plagued Charles Linch
Mr. Linch's psychiatric treatment in 1994 for drinking and depression, raise significant questions about the credibility of his findings. Those questions could become pivotal should Ms. Routier win the new trial she is seeking and could affect several other high-profile cases in which the forensic expert has testified. Mr. Linch provided the single most critical evidence against Darlie because it went to the heart of the defense that there was an intruder. This evidence that would attack his credibility should be a basis for appeal motions.
FACT: Charles Linch was never tested in the area of blood spatter
Records and interviews show that Mr. Linch never took a proficiency test in blood spatters and that, shortly thereafter, supervisors substituted another analyst to testify in a pending trial.
FACT: The Routier case was the FIRST case that Charles Linch testified on in the area of "Blood Spatter"
According to Mr. Linch, he testified only twice about blood spatters - the first time was during Ms. Routier's bond hearing.
FACT: Charles Linch was hospitalized for mental health issues along with alcohol problems and released in order to testify in cases and return to the hospital. (NOTE THIS WAS NOT DURING THE ROUTIER TRIAL)
Mr. Linch said he was embittered and felt more pressure after his treatment for depression and drinking, After first agreeing to seek treatment at Methodist Medical Center at his supervisors' request, he said he later was handcuffed and involuntarily committed at Doctors Hospital for about two weeks - a scenario he said was "unnecessary and humiliating." Twice during that time - and while he was taking prescribed anti-depressants - he was released from the hospital to testify in capital-murder trials in Texas and Arkansas.
FACT: If Routier was to get a new trial Charles Linch WILL NOT TESTIFY on blood spatter evidence.
Mr. Linch said he would refuse to testify about blood evidence should Ms. Routier win a new trial. "If there's a retrial, the word 'blood' won't come out of my mouth," he said.
FACT: Although he was not the primary blood spatter expert witness, he had done most of the "blood work" in the Routier case.
Although he was not the state's primary expert on blood-spatter evidence at trial, Mr. Linch said he did much of the "blood work" in Ms. Routier's case. In what he described as an embarrassing meeting before the trial, Mr. Linch said Mr. Davis instructed him to recount for Mr. Bevel how Mr. Linch had taken samples and reached his conclusions about blood in the Routier home and the only reason he was not the primary expert witness, the only reason that Bevel was the one to testify as primary was due to the fact that "Bevel had a book" on this subject.
Taking this even a step further......
Welcome to the real world of forensics, where the wizardry lionized by the “CSI” television empire turns out to have serious flaws. The science of bite-mark comparisons, ballistic comparisons, fingerprint matching, blood-spatter analysis, arson investigation and other common forensic techniques has been tainted by systematic error, cognitive bias (sometimes called “tunnel vision”) and little or no research or data to support it. There is, in short, very little science behind some of the forensic “sciences” used in court to imprison and sometimes execute people.
Popular culture also loves to promote bloodstain pattern analysis as being foolproof, but it’s anything but. Even experts with years of training at times disagree on the conclusions from this evidence.
To be exact, false or misleading forensic science is responsible for 24 percent of the 2,258 exonerations that have occurred in this country since 1989, according to the National Registry of Exonerations.
The incestuous relationship between police, investigators, lab personnel, and prosecutors has an awful lot to do with it. All part of one big happy team to “get those perps!”
Some of the methods, including blood-spatter analysis, are now considered by many researchers to be scientifically dubious, responsible for dozens of wrongful convictions and deserving no place in the criminal justice system.
The discipline is so complicated, though, that even those who put in the hours don’t always have what it takes.
So, if your opinion relies on this "junk science" of blood-spatter analysis, you may wish to rethink that opinion. There is a women here, Routier, who is on death row based on this fact and this fact alone, that should give anyone pause. This is not forensic science it is junk science.
THERE IS NOT ONE PIECE OF DIRECT EVIDENCE TO CONVICT ROUTIER!
Keep this in mind......
This could happen to any one of us and that is not justice.
R
Another reason (or two) I believe she is guilty....while watching the Werner Herzog On Death Row documentary of Darlie Routier, at the 33:09 mark Werner shows snippets of the graveside birthday celebration for Damon, commonly referred to as the Silly String party, which was a mere EIGHT days after Damon and Devon were murdered. I saw NO bruises on Darlies exposed arms....ZERO! Begs the question: are the photos circulating the internet of darlie having severely bruised arms 'doctored' to make it look worse than what they actually were? Is this a duplicitous attempt from people who believe she is innocent to garner sympathy for this murderous monster?
Secondly, prior to the graveside festivities the family attended what had been described as a solemn tearful memorial for Devon and Damon. Oddly enough, Darlies complexion does not reflect someone who had been crying. No puffy bloodshot crying eyes, no mottled skin or red nose....nothing that leads me to believe she was mourning for her sons that were viciously murdered just eight days before. Plus, who invites the local media to film what should be an utterly tragic loss? Even as I type this out I can't help but shake my head in disbelief.
There's so much more that could be said and am certain has already been said, so I'll just leave the link to the Werner Herzog video and let others decide.
Totally guilty followed trial when she was on trial " Oh I picked up the knife, it probably have my prints on it now", vacuum cleaner and glass , blood evidence Wish she would be put to death already. Too many appeals in death penalty and then you HBO doing specials making all these murders look good. Makes me sickI have started reading over the transcripts and I noticed that many of those that deem her guilty usually respond to those with doubts with "just READ the transcripts!!" So, what is it in the transcripts (for you) that makes you think guilty and if you read them and still think innocent, what makes you think that?
Just curious here (I, for one, think she is absolutely guilty, and I haven't finished reading the transcripts yet.)
Darlie is Guilty. The reasons I believe she is guilty:
- The 911 call. I first thought she was serious but as the call went on I noticed she wasn't crying but just yelling. Another thing about that 911 call was when the dispatcher kept asking Darlie to let the cops in and she just continued to yell "Oh my God" as if she was trying to stall for time.
- I can understand not thinking and picking up a murder weapon but since when does a killer break into a home with the intent of killing people and forget a weapon. On top of that she claims that the killer accidentally drops the weapon in the garage as he is leaving.
- Devon crawling away from his mother after he was stabbed.
- The lies that Darlie got caught in after the murders. Grieving mothers don't lie to investigators leading them away from the truth. They will tell the truth so that the murderer of their children will be brought to justice.