Surely a phone would not be pinging now. The battery would be flat. Or do you think that it was in that area when it last pinged
Is there a cell tower in the area they are searching today?
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Surely a phone would not be pinging now. The battery would be flat. Or do you think that it was in that area when it last pinged
I do understand his logic. But I’m still confounded with the kidnapping of Jayme, and why this guy would have chosen to commit this crime, this way.He doesnt know why but he firmly believes Denise was the intended target because if she wasnt and James was there would be no need for the killer to enter the home.
Imo that does make more sense to me. They wouldnt have to risk even entering the home since James was shot right at his door if the intended target was James all along.
Jmo
This is very interesting insight, OBE. And it's info we can keep in mind in future cases. I certainly did not see the crime from this point of view. I still lean toward both parents being the target (to get Jayme), but will keep in mind that Denise could've been the primary target in all this.Okay I know some of you may not care for Mark Furhman at times including nyself but the thread was closed at the time he was being interviewed on Fox.
Since he spoke I can't get out of my mind what he said because it ALL made so much common sense and none of it I had ever even considered.
Anyway for those who may be interested I will try to post it in my own words for you.
He said he believes the evidence shows that Denise was the intended target. Here is the clear reason he gave. If James had been the intended target the mission would have been over right at the front door with no need to enter the home. They would have shot James and quickly left probably before Denise could have even seen who it was.
But he said they purposefully went inside to murder Denise. He also said the crime scene can reveal who may be the intended target. Such as if one victim suffered more gunshot wounds than another victim. Or if one victim had other type of injuries done by the killer beyond the gunshots themselves.
He said he does believe that Jayme has been killed and thinks the police know that too and know they are in recovery mode now.
He also said this which makes sense to me. He said the experts on the ground have the ability in less than a day's time to know if there are any vehicles in this county of 45000 that matches the 2 vehicles in question.
So he thinks the police already know the vehicles aren't from the county this happened in. He said they will go county by county searching the DMV data base looking for possible matches and interviewing anyone who may own the same type of vehicles crossing them off one by one.
So what do all of you think about this? I found all of it so facisinating. Jmo though
We all know Mark Furman has a lot of FBI and LE connections so maybe he's heard something leading him in that direction.He doesnt know why but he firmly believes Denise was the intended target because if she wasnt and James was there would be no need for the killer to enter the home.
Imo that does make more sense to me. They wouldnt have to risk even entering the home since James was shot right at his door if the intended target was James all along.
Jmo
She spoke out and gave an interview (i.e., identified herself). I'm also not sure if she's still a minor.GUILTY - NH - Abby Hernandez, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - #15
Didn't realize we're able to use her name now (that's why I used her initials)
Abigail Hernandez. Kidnapped, held for almost a year then returned home.
GUILTY - NH - Abby Hernandez, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - #15
Didn't realize we're able to use her name now (that's why I used her initials)
Revised:Does anyone know when the next news conference will be?
My 13 year old daughter isn't allowed social media - my almost 15 year old son was just allowed to get instagram (but only instagram) this year when he started 9th grade.Jumping off your post BeeGirl, is anyone else surprised that JC doesn't have more of an online presence? The only other things I've been able to find are a pinterest and instagram account in her name.
Has anyone else been able to find anything?
Wow! I had not given much thought to it being about Denise but I do have respect for Mark Furhman. If this is true I guess Jayme could have been taken because he just didn't need to kill her.....but then what? Where? and How Long?Okay I know some of you may not care for Mark Furhman at times including myself but the thread was closed at the time he was being interviewed on Fox.
Since he spoke I can't get out of my mind what he said because it ALL made so much common sense and none of it I had ever even considered.
Anyway for those who may be interested I will try to post it in my own words for you.
He said he believes the evidence shows that Denise was the intended target. Here is the clear reason he gave. If James had been the intended target the mission would have been over right at the front door with no need to enter the home. They would have shot James and quickly left probably before Denise could have even seen who it was.
But he said they purposefully went inside to murder Denise. He also said the crime scene can reveal who may be the intended target. Such as if one victim suffered more gunshot wounds than another victim. Or if one victim had other type of injuries done by the killer beyond the gunshots themselves.
He said he does believe that Jayme has been killed and thinks the police know that too and know they are in recovery mode now.
He also said this which makes sense to me. He said the experts on the ground have the ability in less than a day's time to know if there are any vehicles in this county of 45000 that matches the 2 vehicles in question.
So he thinks the police already know the vehicles aren't from the county this happened in. He said they will go county by county searching the DMV data base looking for possible matches and interviewing anyone who may own the same type of vehicles crossing them off one by one.
So what do all of you think about this? I found all of it so facisinating. Jmo though
" Wallow in tragedy" Geeze, how can one not feel for two parents and their child in the supposed safety of their home, being killed and the child taken in the middle of the night. I for one don't wallow, but I do everyday throughout the day-check to see if this 13 year old (now orphan) has been found. On Saturday two people taken down will have a double funeral. That's quite sad.This is very interesting insight, OBE. And it's info we can keep in mind in future cases. I certainly did not see the crime from this point of view. I still lean toward both parents being the target (to get Jayme), but will keep in mind that Denise could've been the primary target in all this.
It's important, imo, to learn something from each case. I'm not here to wallow in tragedy and violence, but to learn.
Thanks for sharing that.
jmo
eta: corrections
Jumping off your post BeeGirl, is anyone else surprised that JC doesn't have more of an online presence? The only other things I've been able to find are a pinterest and instagram account in her name.
Has anyone else been able to find anything?
I didn't hear him comment on why he thinks she was taken but I could have missed that part HM since my fur babies starting barking at the post lady for a few seconds or so.
Mark has many connections in law enforcement including FBI agents. Often he talks directly to those who are on the ground working the cases.
I got the impression this is what he is being told about the crime scene but that's just the impression I got since he usually does have contacts he has been speaking with that are there.
Jmo
Okay I know some of you may not care for Mark Furhman at times including myself but the thread was closed at the time he was being interviewed on Fox.
Since he spoke I can't get out of my mind what he said because it ALL made so much common sense and none of it I had ever even considered.
Anyway for those who may be interested I will try to post it in my own words for you.
He said he believes the evidence shows that Denise was the intended target. Here is the clear reason he gave. If James had been the intended target the mission would have been over right at the front door with no need to enter the home. They would have shot James and quickly left probably before Denise could have even seen who it was.
But he said they purposefully went inside to murder Denise. He also said the crime scene can reveal who may be the intended target. Such as if one victim suffered more gunshot wounds than another victim. Or if one victim had other type of injuries done by the killer beyond the gunshots themselves.
He said he does believe that Jayme has been killed and thinks the police know that too and know they are in recovery mode now.
He also said this which makes sense to me. He said the experts on the ground have the ability in less than a day's time to know if there are any vehicles in this county of 45000 that matches the 2 vehicles in question.
So he thinks the police already know the vehicles aren't from the county this happened in. He said they will go county by county searching the DMV data base looking for possible matches and interviewing anyone who may own the same type of vehicles crossing them off one by one.
So what do all of you think about this? I found all of it so facisinating. Jmo though
Okay I know some of you may not care for Mark Furhman at times including nyself but the thread was closed at the time he was being interviewed on Fox.
Since he spoke I can't get out of my mind what he said because it ALL made so much common sense and none of it I had ever even considered.
Anyway for those who may be interested I will try to post it in my own words for you.
He said he believes the evidence shows that Denise was the intended target. Here is the clear reason he gave. If James had been the intended target the mission would have been over right at the front door with no need to enter the home. They would have shot James and quickly left probably before Denise could have even seen who it was.
But he said they purposefully went inside to murder Denise. He also said the crime scene can reveal who may be the intended target. Such as if one victim suffered more gunshot wounds than another victim. Or if one victim had other type of injuries done by the killer beyond the gunshots themselves.
He said he does believe that Jayme has been killed and thinks the police know that too and know they are in recovery mode now.
He also said this which makes sense to me. He said the experts on the ground have the ability in less than a day's time to know if there are any vehicles in this county of 45000 that matches the 2 vehicles in question.
So he thinks the police already know the vehicles aren't from the county this happened in. He said they will go county by county searching the DMV data base looking for possible matches and interviewing anyone who may own the same type of vehicles crossing them off one by one.
So what do all of you think about this? I found all of it so facisinating. Jmo though
I am beginning to get the feeling that Jayme had no phone of her own yet, and that she shared a home computer with her parents....MOOI've spent way too much time thinking about Jayme's (admittedly theoretical) phone. In the Ashleigh Banfield interview, the sheriff said:
BANFIELD: Ok. So often times when a young person goes missing, the digital trail is almost like a popcorn trail, which leads me to the question about Jamie`s social media. 13-year-old girls are almost always on their phones or on some form of social media, I`m guessing, and I think it`s a good guess. You have been blanketing that angle. Have you found any information from her social media? Is it possible she has a phone with her?To me, this says many possible things:
FITZGERALD: I do not know the answer to the second part of the question, if she had the phone with her. I can tell you that we are looking at the social media platform. Again, that is why our partners in the FBI are so key in this, because they have the experts for smaller agencies like mine in a county of 44,000 people.
1) Jayme had a phone that was issued by her parents and it is possible she has it in her possession.
2) Jayme had a phone that was issued by her parents and it is possible she does not have it in her possession.
3) Jayme was not issued a phone by her parents and he does not know if she was given one by someone else.
4) He does not know if anyone has ever given Jayme a phone or if she has one.
My understanding is that pings can solve a lot of questions. If she's ever logged into social media (or even email), that IP address was logged, and they'd know if it was from her home computer or a cell she was given. If it was a cell, they could use that data to then help ping.
But there are just so very many 'ifs'.
Just want that sweet girl to be safe. Whoever said it above is correct; she no longer has parents and we all need to rise up and take care of her. Whether that means searching, donating to find her or donating so she has a simpler life when she comes home.
ETA: Banfield Link
I've spent way too much time thinking about Jayme's (admittedly theoretical) phone. In the Ashleigh Banfield interview, the sheriff said:
BANFIELD: Ok. So often times when a young person goes missing, the digital trail is almost like a popcorn trail, which leads me to the question about Jamie`s social media. 13-year-old girls are almost always on their phones or on some form of social media, I`m guessing, and I think it`s a good guess. You have been blanketing that angle. Have you found any information from her social media? Is it possible she has a phone with her?To me, this says many possible things:
FITZGERALD: I do not know the answer to the second part of the question, if she had the phone with her. I can tell you that we are looking at the social media platform. Again, that is why our partners in the FBI are so key in this, because they have the experts for smaller agencies like mine in a county of 44,000 people.
1) Jayme had a phone that was issued by her parents and it is possible she has it in her possession.
2) Jayme had a phone that was issued by her parents and it is possible she does not have it in her possession.
3) Jayme was not issued a phone by her parents and he does not know if she was given one by someone else.
4) He does not know if anyone has ever given Jayme a phone or if she has one.
My understanding is that pings can solve a lot of questions. If she's ever logged into social media (or even email), that IP address was logged, and they'd know if it was from her home computer or a cell she was given. If it was a cell, they could use that data to then help ping.
But there are just so very many 'ifs'.
Just want that sweet girl to be safe. Whoever said it above is correct; she no longer has parents and we all need to rise up and take care of her. Whether that means searching, donating to find her or donating so she has a simpler life when she comes home.
ETA: Banfield Link