CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #9

[gngr~snap]

I haven't seen it posted anywhere. Was there by a tree at her residence?
Was she going to go with him to get his tree or...
If she owns a truck is his bigger?
I hope the tree has been checked for forensics and sniffed by canines- if a tree even exists.
And there are specialists for trees as well. They can tell if the tree came from his property or not.
FWIW.
MOO

 

[allboys]

I'm not sure she only had two parking spaces. Satellite images make it look like she could fit 4 cars there. She had more parking space than her neighbor she shared a wall with anyway:
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Google Maps

Not that I’m known to be the best car parker in the world...but from the satelitte view, it seems there would be better places to park than right behind her two vehicles, when considering ease of backing the vehicle out again. Especially if he truly was only there to pick the baby up. Fortunately, it will be an easy thing for LE to ask neighbors:Was the truck routinely parked like that, or was this unusual? MOO

 

[missy1974]

Yes exactly. Anyone who had my phone could see exactly who to text without any effort

Yep, they would even see patterns. I wish we knew what were in the text messages.

 

[gngr~snap]

Maybe she baked the cinnamon rolls and had them cooling on the counter when she went to Safeway and when she got back PF was already there and had eaten some of them and she was pissed because they were to take to the holiday dinner. Could have been the catalyst to a much larger fight. Maybe she was already mad at him because he wasn’t helping and she had to shop, cook, get ready and take care of the baby and that’s why he came to pick the baby up. And she came home from the store to find he’d eaten some of the cinnamon rolls and she blew up.

Cinnamon rolls on counter.
Hints of McStay case- bananas rotten...
As in mysteriously disappeared from a good job with no leads forever!
Perp was the last person a lot of people suspected.
Moo

 

[v0x]

Yes exactly. Anyone who had my phone could see exactly who to text without any effort

All of this is assuming the phone was unlocked, or someone had the ability to unlock it.

 

[Charlot123]

I have been reading the posts somewhat over the last few days and I have 2 questions that one of you could help me get the answer to.

1: The last date that CB talked to PF was 11/25 and then she waited until 12/02 to call police to say her daughter is missing. Do you know why she waited so long?
2: When PF told CB that KB went to visit her grandma, Do you know if CB started to dial her relatives to find out if any of them had seen or talked with CB, during those 7 days?

TYIA

When my relative did not answer calls for a couple of days, and later sent me pictures taken during hiking, I never doubted the story. True, the person was not living alone, but the pictures could have been taken anywhere. I noticed that if the text is accompanied by photos, it makes the situation more believable, although photos are easy to fake, time and place-wise.

Here is the thing. KB might have not locked the phone, or her password might have been predictable. And I wonder if one picture, taken whenever but posted on private IG during that day, the 25th, would have put her mom's mind at ease.

 

[BRRI]

Yep, they would even see patterns. I wish we knew what were in the text messages.

Yup. It would be extremely easy to mimic her way of writing.

 

[Lhughessk]

Oh I'm sure this cat turned his phone off when he did whatever he did.

He may indeed have turned it off. But as I mentioned in another post, that doesn’t put him in the clear. If his phone was on all morning, and then it stops pinging right before the time he went to her house, that’s suspicious in itself. So he’s in a tough spot if he turned it off, and he is in a tough spot if he left it on and with him. If he’s innocent, he could be very quickly cleared if the data shows that his phone traveled to Kelsey’s and then back home for the rest of the day.

Someone in his business, his cell phone is vitally important. It’s how customers reach him. So this guy’s phone - which he turned over voluntarily either out of innocence or arrogance - is going to be the key to clearing him or implicating him, IMHO.

 

[Celt1997]

Surprised to see how many people don't clear their text threads out.

I don't think anyone would know who is who if they got my phone (other than "Mom" and "Dad"). I constantly delete text threads.

 

[Charlot123]

All of this is assuming the phone was unlocked, or someone had the ability to unlock it.

My password is not something random people would guess, but my family would do it easily. Same might have been the case for KB. Not necessarily an easy password, but something used at other sites as well. Or maybe, there was none?

 

[Gardener1850]

Zooming in, I noticed there is a tree at the end of her driveway. Although it looks like there is enough room to park his truck behind another vehicle (depending on the size of her vehicle and how close she was parked to the home) it now makes more sense to me that he would park sideways with that tree there, especially if he came in from the east. Google Maps

Hard to tell if the tree would prevent him parking parallel to the other cars. It doesn't look like a very large tree to me, but satellite can be deceiving. Somewhere in one of the early threads a local who lives in the neighborhood posted photos of the front of her house. I wonder if those might give us a better idea of the location and size of the tree and the amount of parking? I'll try to find the posts but if you have them handy post and tag me.

 

[jaspermac]

His car was parked blocking hers in the driveway, which suggests that he was not at her house already when she arrived home.

 

[1wonderleads2another]

Not to be morbid but if her phone was locked by Touch ID , the perp most likely had access to her finger. (Even if perp was KB) JMO

As others have said you don’t have to know someone well to ID PF and her work # on a cell phone. And unfortunately in many abduction cases victims give the perp information when asked, because the victim thinks if they cooperate they’ll be let go.

That’s why many experts recommend if someone tries to abduct you (whether you know them or not) make them kill you on the spot of the abductuon. 99% of perps don’t want to kill you where they take you or for there to a scene (that nosy neighbor may see) ...they want to take a victim where they can control the environment. Going with an abductor just because they put a gun to your head /knife to your throat doesn’t work out well in vast majority of cases. (Well unless you are Sherri Papini) JMO

 

[BRRI]

All of this is assuming the phone was unlocked, or someone had the ability to unlock it.

If they had her body, they could unlock with her fingerprint, then shut that feature off...unless you have to input your password to make that change. Off to try

ETA it requires the password to be typed in to change it, at least on iPhone XS

 

[Curiousobserver]

All of this is assuming the phone was unlocked, or someone had the ability to unlock it.

You really have to get lucky on a number of items for this to turn out he way it did and not be KB or closely related. Lucky the phone was not locked, lucky you could tell who to send texts to, lucky you sent them at the right time, lucky you drove in a plausible direction... All of those things are possible but I don't feel they are likely all at once.

 

[Esma]

While they may have been “loving” as her mother described, it obviously was not without problems. I’m seeing a theme emerge of their struggles. I think KB was the breadwinner and had dreams of being married to PF and having their own home. He was letting her down and not actively participating in the same goal. He wasn’t making money, and didn’t appear to be changing his strategy. She was working and he was babysitting and they were stuck in this rut. I’m sure she must have been unhappy about the situation. Enough so, she decided to buy her own home in May. Moving forward, but still leaving him an open to take action and become a better provider and family man. This must have been threatening to him, somewhat of an ultimatum. And when men feel threatened, they can become angry. I think they had this tension in their relationship and she was angry she had to do all the work and care for the baby in preparation for Thanksgiving. More of the same issue she had with him. If he ate some of the cinnamon rolls for the dinner she had made, it may have been the last straw for her. The theme being, she does everything to make the relationship work, and he is inconsiderate and careless. It likely brought up a huge fight about the relationship problems.

 

[BRRI]

Surprised to see how many people don't clear their text threads out.

I don't think anyone would know who is who if they got my phone (other than "Mom" and "Dad"). I constantly delete text threads.

Really? I never delete!

 

[Lhughessk]

Not to be morbid but if her phone was locked by Touch ID , the perp most likely had access to her finger. (Even if perp was KB) JMO

As others have said you don’t have to know someone well to ID PF and her work # on a cell phone. And unfortunately in many abduction cases victims give the perp information when asked, because the victim thinks if they cooperate they’ll be let go.

That’s why many experts recommend if someone tries to abduct you (whether you know them or not) make them kill you on the spot of the abductuon. 99% of perps don’t want to kill you where they take you or for there to a scene (that nosy neighbor may see) ...they want to take a victim where they can control the environment. Going with an abductor just because they put a gun to your head /knife to your throat doesn’t work out well in vast majority of cases. (Well unless you are Sherri Papini) JMO

I’m chuckling a bit at your “make them kill you” but I understand what you mean. The intent is certainly not to die but to make your stand, right there, and fight like hell. It’s something I tell my teen daughter constantly.

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

For whatever reason, I delayed listening to Kelsey’s mother’s interviews until now. I was surprised at some of her comments because they fly directly in the face of what many on here are saying. Unless mom is totally in the dark or else lying her tail off, the relationship has been “good” and “strong”. At one point she says Kelsey “had no issues in her life.”

That really doesn’t sound like the relationship was done, or even on the rocks. At least, not from Kelsey’s family point of view.

Exactly. The mother has nothing to gain in this instance by lying about her conversation with KB. Additionally, all evidence, (the way KB’s day) prior to her disappearance was playing out supports her mother’s version of events. The deviation comes in PF’s story.

KB disappears....PF have you heard from her? Answer...we broke up.
She’s not home, I can’t find her....PF....she said she was going to visit her grandma in Soap Lake.
Surprise....texts from KB to employer don’t look for me, and one to PF...big secret.....
Still missing? Lawyer. Lawyer. Lawyer. Silence.

This is my rendition of course. But you see where the discrepancy lies, imho.

 

[PrairieWind]

Woa. Crackpot?
Many of us have seen the video with PF having dogs chained to fence, biting cows face, him saying he would be better cutting his hand off than keeping the dog, poor dog scared to pieces. also it's not just one person that came forward to mention he's abusive to animals.

Border collies are used as cattle dogs because it is their instinct to herd animals. In that video he has an experienced dog and 4 pups that are just learning. They already know how to herd instinctively and want to do it. The training is largely about learning the commands from the rancher as to what he wants done with the animals. The pups are chained to the fence because if they aren't they will charge in to herd the cows. He doesn't want that yet. They are on very short leashes so that they cant start to run and get snapped back, but enough leash so they can go under to the other side of the fence to get out of the arena if necessary. He comment about his hand is that he would rather cut off his right hand that be without the dog. ie, the dog is THAT important to him. None of those dogs are scared. Herding dogs nip the back of the legs of animals to get them to move, its what they do, there is nothing abusive about it. Honestly, I think people are just starting to make stuff up now.