CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #37 *ARREST*

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KRDO News 13 motion to unseal the court file is brilliant -- right down to citing DA Dan May's televised interview from inside the courthouse as support for their motion. KOAA News 5 motion was more generic. Both motions were filed on Friday, Feb 8, 2019.

Hope defense answers tomorrow! It would be great is Court grants motion by Monday-- that we can see record day before hearing.
Seattle, yep, I read both of them today, and I was really impressed, too!
I think we're going to see something before the 19th.
 
Like KB's friend said, "He was always mad about something."
which is a common tactic people use to get their way. Others want to avoid the powderkeg's explosion of rage.
imo

Her comment backed up the other person who talked about his anger (flipping the horse trailer over being mad about losing). He is probably a very controlling but charming sociopath who's a ball of rage inside.
 
I am starting the "What We Want To Know" list. Please add the things that you want to know.

What we want to know:

When exactly does LE think the murder of KB occurred?

What evidence did LE find at the Fs ranchette?

What evidence did LE find at KB’s townhome?

What evidence did LE find in PF’s truck?

Where and with whom did PF dine on Thanksgiving day?

When did KK arrive in CO?

Where and with whom did KK dine on Thanksgiving day?

How long was KK in CO? When did she arrive? When did she leave?

Did KK send the texts?

What motivated PF to murder KB?

What indications does LE have that KB’s remains might be in the landfill?
 
CO hearsay rules as of 2016- correct me if any have changed recently.

Rule 803. Hearsay Exceptions: Availability of Declarant Immaterial

The following are not excluded by the hearsay rule, even though the declarant is available as a witness:

(1)Spontaneous present sense impression. A spontaneous statement describing or explaining an event or condition made while the declarant was perceiving the event or condition.

(2) Excited utterance. A statement relating to a startling event or condition made while the declarant was under the stress of excitement caused by the event or condition.

(3)Then existing mental, emotional, or physical condition. A statement of the declarant’s then existing state of mind, emotion, sensation, or physical condition (such as intent, plan, motive, design, mental feeling, pain, and bodily health), but not including a statement of memory or belief to prove the fact remembered or believed unless it relates to the execution, revocation, identification, or terms of declarant’s will.

(4) Statements for purposes of medical diagnosis or treatment. Statements made for purposes of medical diagnosis or treatment and describing medical history, or past or present symptoms, pain, or sensations, or the inception or general character of the cause or external source thereof insofar as reasonably pertinent to diagnosis or treatment.

(5) Recorded recollection. A past recollection recorded when it appears that the witness once had knowledge concerning the matter and; (A) can identify the memorandum or record, (B) adequately recalls the making of it at or near the time of the event, either as recorded by the witness or by another, and (C) can testify to its accuracy. The memorandum or record may be read into evidence but may not itself be received unless offered by an adverse party.

(6) Records of regularly conducted activity. A memorandum, report, record, or data compilation, in any form, of acts, events, conditions, opinions, or diagnosis, made at or near the time by, or from information transmitted by, a person with knowledge, if kept in the course of a regularly conducted business activity, and if it was the regular practice of that business activity to make the memorandum, report, record, or data compilation, all as shown by the testimony of the custodian or other qualified witness, or by certification that complies with Rule 902(11), Rule 902(12), or a statute permitting certification, unless the source of information or the method or circumstances of preparation indicate lack of trustworthiness. The term “business” as used in this paragraph includes business, institution, association, profession, occupation, and calling of every kind, whether or not conducted for profit.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(7) Absence of entry in records kept in accordance with the provisions of paragraph (6). Evidence that a matter is not included in the memoranda reports, records, or data compilations in any form, kept in accordance with the provisions of paragraph (6), to prove the nonoccurrence or nonexistence of the matter, if the matter was of a kind of which a memorandum, report, record, or data compilation was regularly made and preserved, unless the sources of information or other circumstances indicate lack of trustworthiness.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(8) Public records and reports. Unless the sources of information or other circumstances indicate lack of trustworthiness, records, reports, statements, or data compilations, in any form, of public offices or agencies, setting forth (A) the activities of the office or agency, or (B) matters observed pursuant to duty imposed by law as to which matters there was a duty to report, excluding, however, in criminal cases matters observed by police officers and other law enforcement personnel, or (C) in civil actions and proceedings and against the Government in criminal cases, factual findings resulting from an investigation made pursuant to authority granted by law.

(9) Records of vital statistics. Records or data compilations, in any form, of births, fetal deaths, deaths, or marriages, if the report thereof was made to a public office pursuant to requirements of law.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(10) Absence of a Public Record. Testimony – or a certification under Rule 902 – that a diligent search failed to disclose a public record or statement if:

(A) the testimony or certification is admitted to prove that

(i) the record or statement does not exist; or

(ii) a matter did not occur or exist, if a public office regularly kept a record or statement for a matter of that kind; and

(B) in a criminal case, a prosecutor who intends to offer a certification provides written notice of that intent at least 14 days before trial and the defendant does not object in writing within 7 days of receiving the notice — unless the court sets a different time for the notice or the objection.

(11) Records of religious organizations. Statements of births, marriages, divorces, deaths, legitimacy, ancestry, relationship by blood or marriage, or other similar facts of personal or family history, contained in a regularly kept record of a religious organization.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(12) Marriage, baptismal, and similar certificates. Statements of fact contained in a certificate that the maker performed a marriage or other ceremony or administered a sacrament, made by a clergyman, public official, or other person authorized by the rules or practices of a religious organization or by law to perform the act certified, and purporting to have been issued at the time of the act or within a reasonable time thereafter.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(13) Family records. Statements of fact concerning personal or family history contained in family Bibles, genealogies, charts, engravings on rings, inscriptions on family portraits, engravings on urns, crypts, or tombstones, or the like.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(14) Records of documents affecting an interest in property. The record of a document purporting to establish or affect an interest in property, as proof of the content of the original recorded or filed document and its execution and delivery by each person by whom it purports to have been executed, if the record is a record of a public office and an applicable statute authorizes the recording of documents of that kind in that office.

(15) Statements in documents affecting an interest in property. A statement contained in a document purporting to establish or affect an interest in property if the matter stated was relevant to the purpose of the document, unless dealings with the property since the document was made have been inconsistent with the truth of the statement or the purport of the document.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(16) Statements in ancient documents. Statements in a document in existence twenty years or more the authenticity of which is established.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(17) Market reports, commercial publications. Market quotations, tabulations, lists, directories, or other published compilations, generally used and relied upon by the public or by persons in particular occupations.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(18) Learned treatises. To the extent called to the attention of an expert witness upon cross-examination or relied upon by him in direct examination, statements contained in published treatises, periodicals, or pamphlets on a subject of history, medicine or other science or art, established as a reliable authority by the testimony or admission of the witness or by other expert testimony or by judicial notice. If admitted, the statements may be read into evidence and may be received as exhibits, as the court permits.

(19) Reputation concerning personal or family history. Reputation among members of his family by blood, adoption, or marriage, or among his associates, or in the community, concerning a person’s birth, adoption, marriage, divorce, death, legitimacy, relationship by blood, adoption, or marriage, ancestry, or other similar fact of his personal or family history.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(20) Reputation concerning boundaries or general history. Reputation in a community, arising before the controversy, as to boundaries of or customs affecting lands in the community, and reputation as to events of general history important to the community or state or nation in which located.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(21) Reputation as to character. Reputation of a person’s character among his associates or in the community.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(22) Judgment of previous conviction. Evidence of a final judgment, entered after a trial or upon a plea of guilty or nolo contendere, adjudging a person guilty of a crime punishable by death or imprisonment in excess of one year, to prove any fact essential to sustain the judgment, but not including, when offered by the Government in a criminal prosecution for purposes other than impeachment, judgments against persons other than the accused. The pendency of an appeal may be shown but does not affect admissibility.(Federal Rule Identical, Except that a Plea of Nolo Contendere was Excluded in the Federal rule.)

(23) Judgment as to personal, family, or general history or boundaries. Judgments as proof of matters of personal, family, or general history, or boundaries, essential to the judgment, if the same would be provable by evidence of reputation.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(24) [Transferred to Rule 807 ]

Rule 804. Hearsay Exceptions: Declarant Unavailable

(a) Definition of unavailability. “Unavailability as a witness” includes situations in which the declarant–

(1) is exempted by ruling of the court on the ground of privilege from testifying concerning the subject matter of his statement; or

(2) persists in refusing to testify concerning the subject matter of his statement despite an order of the court to do so; or

(3) testifies to a lack of memory of the subject matter of his statement; or

(4) is unable to be present or to testify at the hearing because of death or then existing physical or mental illness or infirmity; or

(5) is absent from the hearing and the proponent of his statement has been unable to procure his attendance (or in the case of a hearsay exception under subdivision (b)(3) or (4) his attendance or testimony) by process or other reasonable means.A declarant is not unavailable as a witness if his exemption, refusal, claim of lack of memory, inability, or absence is due to the procurement or wrongdoing of the proponent of his statement for the purpose of preventing the witness from attending or testifying.

(b) Hearsay exceptions. The following are not excluded by the hearsay rule if the declarant is unavailable as a witness:

(1) Former testimony. Testimony given as a witness at another hearing of the same or a different proceeding, or in a deposition taken in compliance with law in the course of the same or another proceeding, if the party against whom the testimony is now offered, or, in a civil action or proceeding, a predecessor in interest, had an opportunity and similar motive to develop the testimony by direct, cross, or redirect examination.

(2) (No Colorado Rule Codified)

(3) Statement against interest.A statement that:

(A) a reasonable person in the declarant’s position would have made only if the person believed it to be true because, when made, it was so contrary to the declarant’s proprietary or pecuniary interest or had so great a tendency to invalidate the declarant’s claim against someone else or to expose the declarant to civil or criminal liability; and

(B) is supported by corroborating circumstances that clearly indicate its trustworthiness, if it is offered in a criminal case as one that tends to expose the declarant to criminal liability.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(4) Statement of personal or family history.

(A) A statement concerning the declarant’s own birth, adoption, marriage, divorce, legitimacy, relationship by blood, adoption, or marriage, ancestry, or other similar fact of personal or family history, even though declarant had no means of acquiring personal knowledge of the matter stated; or

(B) a statement concerning the foregoing matters, and death also, of another person, if the declarant was related to the other by blood, adoption, or marriage or was so intimately associated with the other’s family as to be likely to have accurate information concerning the matter declared.(Federal Rule Identical.)

(5) [Transferred to Rule 807 ]
Rule 807. Residual Exception

A statement not specifically covered by Rule 803 or 804 but having equivalent circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness, is not excluded by the hearsay rule, if the court determines that (A) the statement is offered as evidence of a material fact; (B) the statement is more probative on the point for which it is offered than any other evidence which the proponent can procure through reasonable efforts; and (C) the general purposes of these rules and the interests of justice will best be served by admission of the statement into evidence. However, a statement may not be admitted under this exception unless the proponent of it makes known to the adverse party sufficiently in advance of the trial or hearing to provide the adverse party with a fair opportunity to prepare to meet it, the proponent’s intention to offer the statement and the particulars of it, including the name and address of the declarant.

Remember the rules for the prelim are different.
 
Artis, I'm going to help you with some antifreeze :) I really, really doubt DA May would let her off with tampering if she was involved with the actual murder. We know she did more than tamper, like accessory after the fact but I have confidence in this team. I know how far I think she's involved and I look forward to finding out if my hunch is correct.

I agree that they have no evidence of her being involved in the actual murder. I'm just sayin' I think she did a lot more than "tamper" with evidence and that drives me crazy.
 
The only way they could pull that off would be to use a defense atty as a go-between because all other communications would be monitored. I guess one other way would be if the Frazees had a close contact working at the jail. Seems pretty sketchy, though.
Well, there’s a lot of sketching going on in this one.....
 
I am starting the "What We Want To Know" list. Please add the things that you want to know.

What we want to know:

When exactly does LE think the murder of KB occurred?

What evidence did LE find at the Fs ranchette?

What evidence did LE find at KB’s townhome?

What evidence did LE find in PF’s truck?

Where and with whom did PF dine on Thanksgiving day?

When did KK arrive in CO?

Where and with whom did KK dine on Thanksgiving day?

How long was KK in CO? When did she arrive? When did she leave?

Did KK send the texts?

What motivated PF to murder KB?

What indications does LE have that KB’s remains might be in the landfill?
Where is Kelsey?
What was her manner of death?
Where was the baby when KB was murdered?
 
I am starting the "What We Want To Know" list. Please add the things that you want to know.

What we want to know:

When exactly does LE think the murder of KB occurred?

What evidence did LE find at the Fs ranchette?

What evidence did LE find at KB’s townhome?

What evidence did LE find in PF’s truck?

Where and with whom did PF dine on Thanksgiving day?

When did KK arrive in CO?

Where and with whom did KK dine on Thanksgiving day?

How long was KK in CO? When did she arrive? When did she leave?

Did KK send the texts?

What motivated PF to murder KB?

What indications does LE have that KB’s remains might be in the landfill?
Have other witnesses come forward with evidence?

Did KK see KB's body at anytime while in CO? (Sorry, but I have a hunch she may have as she told M "she has never seen that kind of evil in anyone."

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The only way they could pull that off would be to use a defense atty as a go-between because all other communications would be monitored. I guess one other way would be if the Frazees had a close contact working at the jail. Seems pretty sketchy, though.
It does happen though. Dellen Millard got letters to his gf Christina Noudga telling her what she should say. Defence attorney denies involvement. LE found the letters in Noudga's bedroom. Possibly his mother managed it, nobody knows for sure.
 
I am starting the "What We Want To Know" list. Please add the things that you want to know.

What we want to know:

When exactly does LE think the murder of KB occurred?

What evidence did LE find at the Fs ranchette?

What evidence did LE find at KB’s townhome?

What evidence did LE find in PF’s truck?

Where and with whom did PF dine on Thanksgiving day?

When did KK arrive in CO?

Where and with whom did KK dine on Thanksgiving day?

How long was KK in CO? When did she arrive? When did she leave?

Did KK send the texts?

What motivated PF to murder KB?

What indications does LE have that KB’s remains might be in the landfill?
What did it say in the fake text sent from KBs phone to PFs phone?

How did PF get KB out of her duplex after the murder?
 
I am starting the "What We Want To Know" list. Please add the things that you want to know.

What we want to know:

When exactly does LE think the murder of KB occurred?

What evidence did LE find at the Fs ranchette?

What evidence did LE find at KB’s townhome?

What evidence did LE find in PF’s truck?

Where and with whom did PF dine on Thanksgiving day?

When did KK arrive in CO?

Where and with whom did KK dine on Thanksgiving day?

How long was KK in CO? When did she arrive? When did she leave?

Did KK send the texts?

What motivated PF to murder KB?

What indications does LE have that KB’s remains might be in the landfill?

Kap, questions:

What evidence led LE to conclude that KB is dead?

What evidence (if any) was recovered at the Waste Management Facility?

What are PF's known movements on Nov. 22nd and Nov. 23rd?
 
I hope so. This has been the longest.cliff.hanger.ever.

@Kapua The evidence will be fascinating, but bottom line - I wanna know why.
Yup. Usually we can come up with a solid motive in crimes like this.

Not so here.

I’m not sure we’ll get any indication from the arrest affidavit though.

Hopefully we get one at some point.
 
As I ponder KK's friend quoting her about never seeing this kind of evil I'm more convinced than ever that PF cut up KB's body in order to hide it easily.

I'm also still convinced that KK helped clean up the condo and maybe even discarded some plastic bags on her trip back to Idaho. I would imagine she left that little tidbit out of her guilty plea. MOO
 
Yup. Usually we can come up with a solid motive in crimes like this.

Not so here.

I’m not sure we’ll get any indication from the arrest affidavit though.

Hopefully we get one at some point.

BBM;

I understand what you're saying, and agree.

I do think we've come up with really solid "speculative" motives, though.

IMO, the financial + custody issues = motive formula might be what we're looking at in the end. It makes sense.

Then again, this is PF we're talking about here.

The motive may make absolutely no sense to any rational human being.
 
I am starting the "What We Want To Know" list. Please add the things that you want to know.

What we want to know:

When exactly does LE think the murder of KB occurred?

What evidence did LE find at the Fs ranchette?

What evidence did LE find at KB’s townhome?

What evidence did LE find in PF’s truck?

Where and with whom did PF dine on Thanksgiving day?

When did KK arrive in CO?

Where and with whom did KK dine on Thanksgiving day?

How long was KK in CO? When did she arrive? When did she leave?

Did KK send the texts?

What motivated PF to murder KB?

What indications does LE have that KB’s remains might be in the landfill?

How did KK travel to and from CO?

If via POV, to whom does the POV belong?
 
I am starting the "What We Want To Know" list. Please add the things that you want to know.

What we want to know:

When exactly does LE think the murder of KB occurred?

What evidence did LE find at the Fs ranchette?

What evidence did LE find at KB’s townhome?

What evidence did LE find in PF’s truck?

Where and with whom did PF dine on Thanksgiving day?

When did KK arrive in CO?

Where and with whom did KK dine on Thanksgiving day?

How long was KK in CO? When did she arrive? When did she leave?

Did KK send the texts?

What motivated PF to murder KB?

What indications does LE have that KB’s remains might be in the landfill?

I don't think this will be answered anytime soon, but what exactly is the nature of the relationship between PF/KK? (This may put to rest rumors.)
 
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