Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #104

[MassGuy]

Reading article on serial killer types. Which do you think BG falls into and why, organized or unorganized?

Types Of Serial Killers - Crime Museum

Early research on serial killers, tended to classify them into those two types.

As more has been learned about them, those who study them have realized that many present as a mix.

So you’ll see a guy who leans one way, but exhibits traits of the other category.

My belief in this case, is that this guy trends towards the “disorganized” variety, but did exhibit some organized characteristics.

Now, I don’t believe this guy meets the criteria of a serial killer (yet), but judging by the words and actions of law enforcement, it appears that they believe he is behaving like one.

I think he’s going to be the antisocial loner type individual, with average intelligence, and likely works some sort of a menial job.

That’s why I don’t think anyone has been able to identify him yet.

No one really knows him.

 

[tresir2012]

It looks long and hard and I'm certain it's not his "Willy" Not meant to be crude, just sayin'.

That's what I was alluding to. Just didn't what to say.

 

[Charlot123]

Early research on serial killers, tended to classify them into those two types.

As more has been learned about them, those who study them have realized that many present as a mix.

So you’ll see a guy who leans one way, but exhibits traits of the other category.

My belief in this case, is that this guy trends towards the “disorganized” variety, but did exhibit some organized characteristics.

Now, I don’t believe this guy meets the criteria of a serial killer (yet), but judging by the words and actions of law enforcement, it appears that they believe he is behaving like one.

I think he’s going to be the antisocial loner type individual, with average intelligence, and likely works some sort of a menial job.

That’s why I don’t think anyone has been able to identify him yet.

No one really knows him.

The definitions of a serial killers vary. The consensus is, three people in a serial manner, killed for a personal gratification, mean, serial killer, but some researchers believe, two is enough, while others extend it to four.

What I would like to see would be the comparison of victim numbers between organized and disorganized killers. It would seem, theoretically, that disorganized killers should have accumulated smaller body count before they are caught than organized ones; but I am not sure what data exists.

Somewhere I read that the first one or two kills are “disorganized” for everyone, and from that, some killers morph into organized ones by honing their skills, and some stay disorganized.

However, by the end of their careers, even organized killers might get into disorganized sprees and make mistakes, so the line is somewhat vague.

By definition, BG falls more into “disorganized” group, but it is likely his early kill, and there are some “organized” elements in it as well. He might well be morphing into an organized one. I hope he is caught soon.

I think his IQ is solid average, but not all organized killers have stellar IQs.
Agree that he is, likely, a loner. No one pays attention to him, I think.

Maybe his profession is so banal that everyone accepts him as “part of the environment”?

JMO - organized killers always have nice words to say about themselves, while disorganized and mixed ones spend way more time on blaming circumstances than on praising themselves. Maybe it is my observation bias.

 

[MassGuy]

The definitions of a serial killers vary. The consensus is, three people in a serial manner, killed for a personal gratification, mean, serial killer, but some researchers believe, two is enough, while others extend it to four.

What I would like to see would be the comparison of victim numbers between organized and disorganized killers. It would seem, theoretically, that disorganized killers should have accumulated smaller body count before they are caught than organized ones; but I am not sure what data exists.

Somewhere I read that the first one or two kills are “disorganized” for everyone, and from that, some killers morph into organized ones by honing their skills, and some stay disorganized.

However, by the end of their careers, even organized killers might get into disorganized sprees and make mistakes, so the line is somewhat vague.

By definition, BG falls more into “disorganized” group, but it is likely his early kill, and there are some “organized” elements in it as well. He might well be morphing into an organized one. I hope he is caught soon.

I think his IQ is solid average, but not all organized killers have stellar IQs.
Agree that he is, likely, a loner. No one pays attention to him, I think.

Maybe his profession is so banal that everyone accepts him as “part of the environment”?

JMO - organized killers always have nice words to say about themselves, while disorganized and mixed ones spend way more time on blaming circumstances than on praising themselves. Maybe it is my observation bias.

I think there’s a distinction between “disorganized” and just plain sloppy.

An organized killer might be sloppy initially, and hone his craft as he learns from his mistakes.

Likewise, a disorganized killer might improve to an extent.

The type of killer they are though, doesn’t change from my understanding.

It’s much deeper seated than simply their MO.

 

[wary]

Haaaaa. We go round and round here.

He’s got nothing in his pants, or he’s got everything down there.

We’ve got a short grainy video, and any interpretation is inherently subjective.

Has anyone been so unimaginative as to think that the white thing at his neck is just a white t-shirt, or am I the first?

 

[MassGuy]

Has anyone been so unimaginative as to think that the white thing at his neck is just a white t-shirt, or am I the first?

Ha! How dare you.

No points for originality, but it’s definitely possible.

The best I can come up with is the guy in the video is a man, and he’s wearing jeans.

They appear to be blue.

 

[Falling Down]

Very interesting to see that frame frozen! I think it looks like a very long, thin leg swimming in baggy pants.

My take on BG's outfit from early on is he looks like he could have walked out of central casting for a Rural King commercial, it's a chain here in the Midwest. The guy looks "plain" to me, and my take is he intended that. May have stolen the outfit, grabbed it at a work site, inherited it from a deceased family member, bought it at a Goodwill, etc.

I believe that not only is there a lot going on underneath that jacket shell which is way oversized for him, probably by two sizes too large, but something is up with whatever is going on under the jeans. You can tell the jacket shell is huge for him, the sleeves are way too long and bunch up. What I think is under the jeans could be part of a wet suit or something as simple as thermal bottoms, which would help in the waters of Deer Creek.

My take regarding his appearance after the murders is he changed clothes, possibly had a bag or backpack for his wet clothes and kill kit.

Early on, some image experts cleaned up the still images released, and BG looked a lot slimmer without the "haze" around him, caused by the lack of focus, pixelization, etc. I think the guy is fairly slim to somewhat stocky and is in good shape. The outfit is a disguise.

-FD

 

[Falling Down]

On ID Discovery’s “True Conviction” show tonight, they covered the murder case of Irene Kennedy.

Irene and her husband had a daily routine, in which they would walk a bird park in Walpole, Massachusetts.

On the morning in question, they separated as they usually did, and planned to meet 15 minutes later near a pond.

Irene never showed up.

When her husband found her, she had been murdered (stabbed, beaten, and strangled).

She was partially nude.

The case went unsolved for 5 years, until a CODIS hit came back for a man already serving a life sentence for murder (he had bitten her, and left his DNA in the form of saliva).

The killer was familiar with the area because of his pizza delivery job, and according to a jail house informant, planned to attack another woman that day.

Irene was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I found it pertinent because it may share some parallels here.

The killer may be familiar with Delphi because of his job, and may have attacked those girls because they were victims of opportunity.

I also believe that it’s likely that this case will be solved via DNA.

That scenario fits in somewhat to how I feel how BG fits into the murders of Abby and Libby. I believe he's been to the MHB, possibly several or many times, before. How would he know the private properties along the north side of Deer Creek, and the trails on them? The timing, variables in his favor, etc., conspired to allow him a short period of time of freedom to carry out his deeds. To me, that indicates planning, although he may not fit the profile of an "organized killer", per se.

I've driven the roads right around there, there are no signs for the bridge. Someone who has been there, before, would know where it is located, how to get to it, where the trailhead(s) are located, where to park, etc. Like the killer you described, BG just knows that general area near the bridge. How, we don't know.

One thing that's bothered me since the beginning, and more so now that LE thinks it's a young killer, is did he have the day off from work? Was he on the road for work and carried out the killings? On the way home from work? Is he a shift worker? Lots of questions on my end re: how he carried this out on a Monday afternoon most working-age people would have been working.

I've read up a lot on the Artemio Sanchez/Bike Path Rapist case in Buffalo. He struck in the latter morning hours in all of his crimes or most of them, IIRC. He worked a third shift gig at a factory in Buffalo for many years, so he had a regular job, at the same place, his entire or almost entire work career. Some of the crimes happened barely out-of-view of the factory where he worked.

Interesting you brought up the crimes in Mass., MassGuy, it jogged my memory about other cases where perps had certain work schedules which enabled them to stalk and prowl for victims.

-FD

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Ha! How dare you.

No points for originality, but it’s definitely possible.

The best I can come up with is the guy in the video is a man, and he’s wearing jeans.

They appear to be blue.

The exceptionally eye-catching shoes, he wears, appear as somewhat dark/white and "daintily" for a man, I can tell you. Though I believe, you don't want to know, haha.

 

[kkdj]

The exceptionally eye-catching shoes, he wears, appear as somewhat dark/white and "daintily" for a man, I can tell you. Though I believe, you don't want to know, haha.

Really! I've been very interested in the shoes. What do you have?

 

[mtnlites]

The exceptionally eye-catching shoes, he wears, appear as somewhat dark/white and "daintily" for a man, I can tell you. Though I believe, you don't want to know, haha.

I'm interested in know what might be "dainty" for a man. The men I know wear all kinds of different shoes, from work boots to cowboy boots and tennis shoes and loafers. Shoes are becoming much more gender neutral these days.

If you mean "daintily" as in small, then allow me to introduce you to my best girlfriend, who wears a size 13 in men's shoes, and my husband who wears a 9.

BG's shoe just look like either a pair of sneakers or possibly work boots to me. Either one could fit well into a variety of jobs and vocations in the area.

 

[tresir2012]

You may be right MG, but tomorrow morning I'm going find the crowbar that looks like the one @gregjrichards posted and put on a pair of my hubby's pants and see what it looks like when I walk

Please post the video.

 

[tresir2012]

I just rewatched the video of him walking. IMO it looks like something solid. At the point where he bends his leg, it looks like the object is still there and poking the jeans at the knee.

I agree. A rifle, pick axe handle, hatchet or axe handle.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

To add to it, I think he gets his release when he kills and not quite capable to have normal intimacy - MOO

Sex is no different from other activities that present a challenge for someone with ADHD. They can have trouble concentrating during sex, lose interest in what they're doing, or become distracted.

Imagine, NBG would be someone with that disorder .... A murder would require his whole attention, perhaps. Two murders would possibly even top "the result". - One of my thoughts only.

 

[MDATCA]

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Having worn a catheter for a year I strongly agree that is not a long plastic catheter bag tube under his jeans. See photo provided for reference. I have often wondered if it is a crow bar /wrecking bar to use as a weapon. I’ve also thought it could be a rifle but I don’t know enough about guns to comment.

Imo a crowbar is the best suggestion I have heard as a possibility. He could have it hooked over the top of his waistband and is holding onto with his hand in his pocket.

I also like an axe. His clothes look big and he may have a tool belt on under the jacket. I think his clothes are big for 2 reasons. One he could be wearing more clothes underneath. The second is they aren't his. He wore them to hide his body type.

I think he appears huskie than he is because the way he is holding him self and the too big clothes that are layered.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I'm interested in know what might be "dainty" for a man. The men I know wear all kinds of different shoes, from work boots to cowboy boots and tennis shoes and loafers. Shoes are becoming much more gender neutral these days.

If you mean "daintily" as in small, then allow me to introduce you to my best girlfriend, who wears a size 13 in men's shoes, and my husband who wears a 9.

BG's shoe just look like either a pair of sneakers or possibly work boots to me. Either one could fit well into a variety of jobs and vocations in the area.

Lightweight soft sneakers or similar, foot width = narrow, normal size. IMO
But forget about the shoes of our dead horse!

 

[Cutiekitty]

Has anyone been so unimaginative as to think that the white thing at his neck is just a white t-shirt, or am I the first?

That’s what I thought too. Maybe a mock turtleneck

 

[MDATCA]

True, but his hands are in his pockets! Seriously, I'd be on my hands and knees crossing that bridge

Well I give you credit because I wouldn't be on that bridge at all.

 

[mtnlites]

Imo a crowbar is the best suggestion I have heard as a possibility. He could have it hooked over the top of his waistband and is holding onto with his hand in his pocket.

I also like an axe. His clothes look big and he may have a tool belt on under the jacket. I think his clothes are big for 2 reasons. One he could be wearing more clothes underneath. The second is they aren't his. He wore them to hide his body type.

I think he appears huskie than he is because the way he is holding him self and the too big clothes that are layered.

I can't see an ax at all, but I do know men (like my husband) who sometimes carry hatchets with them. But small ones, like 10 inches. Something like that I could concede to. It's lightweight but functional and you can hook it onto your belt. The ax, though, I just can't see. They're big and heavy and when you're going hunting for people it seems to me that you'd want to be as agile as possible.

 

[Andreee]

The exceptionally eye-catching shoes, he wears, appear as somewhat dark/white and "daintily" for a man, I can tell you. Though I believe, you don't want to know, haha.

I remarked here earlier today about those shoes lol. They do appear small and brownish, which would indicate his feet are small.