JosieJo
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They can’t use a conviction on other offenses as evidence.
I thought in certain circumstances they could ? Though would not know if this would be the case here
They can’t use a conviction on other offenses as evidence.
He's been charged with 13 disparate offences ranging from burglary to flashing. I'd guess that the evidence for each one of those helps strengthen the evidence for the others in court. For example CCTV showing him commiting one means a witness statement with just a description of a similar squat guy commiting another is more likely. So it does look like more than one charge can be heard at one.I thought in certain circumstances they could ? Though would not know if this would be the case here
I'd agree about looking about in certain areas, but if you don't hang around where there is passing footfall your flashing career will be pretty dull. I'm not suggesting they whip it out in the brightly lit bus stop I'm suggesting flashing would be near those places.So, you'd choose areas likely to have more footfall, passing vehicles, waiting taxis, cctv and maybe security staff?
Sorry, but I think your flashing career would be pretty short (no pun intended).
If you're out and about generally it's not difficult to see where students are heading too/from, maybe the local papers have letting ads, and you could legitimately drive round, park up and have a pretend phone conversation whilst casing the joints in areas that are less secure and less surveilled.
the concensus on here is it is definately PR in spider cam, this is my opinion too. like others have already said his general stance does give it away. and apart from other cctv that LE will have. also his attire on the night is quite distinctive concidering it was freezing that night. baggy shorts, and quite a distinctive stripey top which LE may or may not have found. something his wife could identify as his?Is it now known or assumed that PR is the person in that video?
I have read many posts about this sad event but I am confused.
I thought that it is obviously PR. I don't understand why it is taking so long.
He is charged with being a multiple sex offender in the vicinity.
He admits to offering her a lift.
He drives an Astra SXi and the spider video shows an Astra SXi. A car expert earlier in the many threads said that it is a XYZ type Astra SXi and the chances of their being two such cars in the vicinity are very low.
So for the above and other reasons, there is probably a video of him getting LS to get in his car (assuming the spider video is him, and the woman is LS).
Does (or rather did) PR smoke? Did he smoke roll ups? I think that less than 1 in 20 people smoke roll ups.
Does (did) he have pointy boots and tight pants? Many people have some tight pants but boots like those t I have only seen on boxers.
Anyway, is the reason PR is not being charged because
1) The LE (and general pinion) are sure that it is PR, but they want to make sure it sticks?
2) The LE want to get PR on premeditation, not simply opportunistic?
3) OR In spite of all the above, the LE are not sure its him?
Why isn't this open and shut?
Other than the time taken to charge and convict him, is there any reason for thinking it is not PR?
Why do people think there may be accomplice(s)?
Also the car he owns and the car in Spidercam. Those that have seen him in court are sure the gait and stance are his.the concensus on here is it is definately PR in spider cam, this is my opinion too. like others have already said his general stance does give it away. and apart from other cctv that LE will have. also his attire on the night is quite distinctive concidering it was freezing that night. baggy shorts, and quite a distinctive stripey top which LE may or may not have found. something his wife could identify as his?
as for the accomplice, i believe and still believe the key to all this is what happened in wellesly ?heathcote at 12.30. was that PR and his accomplice? i think that is quite possible. i never bought the screams as coming from a fox theory. imho that was libby.
Whilst I'm not keen on MSM the story his sister gave and the way they presented it sounded authentic. It was an odd thing to say off the cuff for starters. Unless she'd been told about a crying girl why say it. Nothing before had mentioned crying and Spidercam was not in the public domain at that point. Nobody at that point would have necessarily have thought about her being in his car. It was specific to the case without needing to be. I wouldn't have expected any reference to the case unless PR had given her that info. I can only think he gave that info to explain something.It's not been confirmed it's PR in the video and it's not been reported that he admitted to giving Libby a lift; there were comments in the media from his mother quoting one of PR's sisters, any of whom may not have English as a first language, nor do we know the full context or in response to what questions it was said. Speaking generally, having charges against you doesn't mean you are guilty of them or anything else.
It's not open and shut if they don't have evidence of Libby coming to harm because of someone's actions. Opportunism doesn't come into killing someone, it's whether or not there was intent.
I'm suspicious of any witness that goes to the press because I'm never sure if it's attention seeking. I've also felt that something that quick would have meant her body was found earlier. Unless he returned.Regards screams (and foxes) I have always felt (if accurate reports) the park screams and running man are relevant..massive coincidence if not. If they were libby something started and finished very quickly
Because, perhaps in Catholic Poland, sex is felt to be something one does for the purpose of procreation, which they may have done with.Why would he be lacking in sex?
I'd agree about looking about in certain areas, but if you don't hang around where there is passing footfall your flashing career will be pretty dull. I'm not suggesting they whip it out in the brightly lit bus stop I'm suggesting flashing would be near those places.
But now you've mentioned it perhaps Haworth street might serve as that type of location. It's a perfect student cut through.
However I'm still suspicious of the fact he moved from a studenty area to a more residential area on boxing day. He'd have known there were few students about and yet still struck lucky in finding women to flash.
He was also lucky to burgle houses with just what he seemed to like in.
I agree. He's more than the average flasher.How was he lucky in thr houses he burgled?
He's been charged with crimes where he watches and observes, i don't think luck was a factor, he's a calculated stalker and alleged sex offender.
It seems to open and shut, and yet complex, as the Police themselves say here:Unless the case is particularly complex
I'd be surprised if he didn't have friends. Newish to the country and employed in a place with a high population of Polish workers. I would imagine they would gravitate towards each other initially and make friends through a shared situation. Likewise a new father. Another situation where you meet new full.Because, perhaps in Catholic Poland, sex is felt to be something one does for the purpose of procreation, which they may have done with.
His facebook friends may have been in Poland. Did he post in English?
I am still not sure why, even if had friends, one might think he had an accomplice.
Or they're not sure they have all their men. The pointers to PR appear very strongIt seems to open and shut, and yet complex, as the Police themselves say here:
Libby Squire detectives share update on homicide investigation
I can see how proving premeditation can be complex, but the police seem to speak as if they are not sure they have their man despite all the pointers.
that was a interpretation from the reporter writing the piece, not from LE they never said either way that it was or wasnt PR .To be honest I thought that some-thing more complex was going on due to the time it is taking to charge PR, but now upon reflection, it is probably more simply the complexity involved in proving premeditation.
Winklepickers (pointy shoes) originate in Crackowes (shoes from Krakow, the old capital of Poland) and Poulaines (Polish style shoes) in the 15th century. Perhaps similar things are still popular in Poland.
Google street view of the town, Chełmża, in which PR was brought up, shoes that the men generally wear trainers. The closest I could find are the thinnish soled trainers worn by the guy on the right here
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And this guy
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But then, there is this
"As part of their ongoing investigation, police arrested a 24-year-old man yesterday, thought he is not thought to be the man in the CCTV footage."
From The Daily Mail via Cardgame's post
Incidentally, I thought that this guy (in 2012) looked a little bit like PR.
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